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The second fall was an accident? I didn't know that. I just assumed it was a planned spot with that part of the cage supposed to give.

A lot of the enjoyment I get from wrestling nowadays is conversing about it with like minded individuals after the show. If I waited to hear about good stuff before watching it, I can never partake in the discussion post show & I'll always feel like I'm behind. I like reacting to things in the moment, even if I make hyperbolic statements in the heat of the moment or whatever. That's part of the fun for me. I don't want to watch clips a week later when I already know what happens. That's not fun to me at all.

Why can't we watch the other wrestling AND WWE? I watch wrestling from all over the world but WWE will always be the top dog. How many wrestling fans skip Wrestlemania? I've been watching WWF since 1987, I'm not going to give it up cold turkey because the writing is bad. There's still a ton of good matches each year. I watch ROH, NJPW and the occasional other Indy but I still watch RAW sometimes & WWE PPVs. That's one of the perks of the WWE Network, so I'm going to take advantage of it. If I'm not a fan of something I see, I'll talk about it afterward. Just the same as if I like what I saw (like RAW last night). If I watch an old show from like 1989 or a random Indy show from a month ago, who am I going to talk about it with? Cause everyone (not literally everyone but most wrestling fans) watch RAW so there's always people to chat with about that. Same for WWE PPVs. This thread is 18-pages long. If this were an ROH iPPV thread how big would it be?

RAW owned. Really hope to see Jamie Noble work again at Survivor Series. That main event was getting really good too before the schmoz ending. Not upset with it though cause it wasn't a PPV main event.

Some good shit on RAW tonight. Orton was good. Ryback was good. Mark Henry was good. Stephanie McMahon was good. Like this RAW a lot more than Hell in a Cell last night. ...and we have not had Rusev/Lana yet!

So after taking out pretty much both The Big Show & Mark Henry last night, what's next for Rusev & Lana? Dude seems to be going places to me. Got a rub from The Rock, even. Pretty crazy that out of the roster, The Rock came out to confront Rusev & Lana...but I think that made him seem like a bigger star. Not having to cheat to beat The Big Show is pretty great too. I do think that Mark Henry will still turn on The Big Show but I'm curious where Rusev goes next. I would like for it to be either Ryback or Sheamus but I'm not sure if either of those will be in the cards. Rusev as U.S. Champion could work if he renamed it the Russian Title or something but the midcard belts are death for a lot of wrestlers nowadays, so I'm not sure. I definitely think he's the best part of the show though. Well above my enjoyment of other people like Ambrose. I am hoping for a Luke Harper solo push though. That should be fun.

I don't think they have forgotten how just that they don't finish all of them. The Daniel Bryan title win at Wrestlemania last year was a good finish to a story. Not the story they weren't necessarily trying to tell at the beginning but at the end, the fans got what they wanted (other than him winning the Rumble). I just think they don't care about most of the roster so they're kinda apathetic to some of the stories. Plus with Vince changing his mind so often & writers writing to appease him instead of trying to write the best show, things get wonky. I'm not sure how much the WWE Network is going to change things in the future. PPVs used to be $50. Now on the Network they're $10. That's a lot less revenue. I know if I get paid less, I don't work as hard. So I hope that doesn't translate to the shows too. I don't know if the payoffs are less for the wrestlers but the workload certainly didn't diminish any. And now WWE makes less off the shows so they might not try as hard each month. I dunno. That's what I'm worried about.

This wasn't even the best WWE show of the last few months, let alone of the year or if you add in other federations too. WrestlingForum.com, not great for discussion mind you but has a huge influx of posters. After every PPV they do a "rate this PPV" thread. Right now, 5/10 is leading that poll with 20% of the votes. That doesn't seem like a "great" show to me. Opinions vary & certainly if someone liked it, more power to them. For me though: I thought the Bellas did well. They exceeded my expectations. I thought Rusev/Show & the tag match were pretty good too. Miz/Sheamus, I missed. AJ/Paige left a lot to be desired & was just there. Main event was disappointing. Too convoluted & a bad finish. 2/3 falls match needed more time. Cena/Orton was too long & just featured a lot of kicking out of finishes to add fake drama. That's like the whole show. That's just "meh" to me. Not one outstanding match and a few that underperformed. Elimination Chamber earlier this year killed this show. So did Wrestlemania.

Oh, so it's the "we're all just a hivemind!" defense?

Get outta here with that shit. If a show sucks, I'm dumping on it. I thought this was in the middle but it certainly wasn't some grandiose fantastic show like you're trying to make it out to be. You're in the minority. I guess EVERYONE ELSE is wrong? LOL.... fuck outta here.

Sorry you haven't had much time to watch wrestling this year.

It won't be the case forever. And if they wait too long to take a risk when they do go to take one it will be too late. How many more people are going to cancel their WWE Network subscriptions?

I feel like WWE needs a complete overhaul. No more Vince in charge. No more Kevin Dunn vision. Call up a bunch of NXT guys, start new feuds, change the look of the show, set & start fresh. Everything right now just isn't working. WWE are making money, that was a big crowd tonight, I just hate the direction of the show. The cameramen are awful, the commentators are terrible, the wrong people are getting ample amounts of TV time...it just really feels a lot like late WCW. John Cena & Randy Orton combined have 27-world titles between them. That pretty much sums everything up for me. WWE is so horribly overexposed right now, they need new faces, a new look & a new direction. No more building the entire federation around one Hulk Hogan style babyface that conquers all like it's still 1985.

You know WWE will never listen to any negative feedback about their shows anymore because of the WWE Network. They'll just say "it's only $9.99 for three hours of entertainment." I didn't think the show was bad. I think it looked better on paper than what happened. I expected more out of the matches that I anticipated. Bellas did a lot better than I thought they would. I really liked the Rusev stuff. There were some good spots throughout the night too. I'm not completely sour on the whole show. I just expect more from certain individuals and WWE constantly steps on their own feet.

Do that match again. Remove the top of the cage stuff, the interference by Noble, Matthews & Kane. Take away the announce table spots, add blood (yes, fucking blood for the blood fued in the cage match, damn it), have Ambrose win w/ the cinder block finish THEN have Wyatt do the run-in. Would have been a lot better, given us a resolution to the last PPV & a reason to tune-in tomorrow.

I don't mind a Bray Wyatt Vs. Dean Ambrose feud but we needed a conclusion to the last feud. A run-in fuck finish in a cage match doesn't help anyone or give the fans any resolution.

It just feels like building to the next table spot over & over to get the crowd to chant "holy shit!" like it's 1998. The crowds are trained well...

I love Rusev. Dude is money. Him & Lana both.

Match was OK. Cena kicked out of everything in there. I said on Twitter he looked like Road Warior Hawk with some of his no-selling. Post shot to the crotch, low blow, chair beatdown, two RKOs, etc & he's right back up to get his shit in on the steps...lol.

It'll never be The Diamond Cutter.

The constant camera zooms in-and-out are driving me absolutely bonkers. They even did it on chairs shots...

An "Enjoy Orton Vs. Cena match #121" sign & the camera man zooms in on it...

I liked the tag match the most so far. Not really saying too much but the end half was fun. Even if not terriby original compared to other Uso matches. Goldust working most the match helped. I did like the new blue added to Cody's outfit. So I'll give him that! The Rhodes Bros. didn't work that match like heels at all though.

I...don't disagree with this. The feat of strength superplex spot by Cesaro was great...but the running knee & missile dropkick by Brie were also great.

First fall was not fine. The matwork was sloppy as hell then they did the 2005 2-count near fall spot, then a giant swing which got Cesaro pinned. It was terrible. Let's call a spade a spade.