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They're no way Boogeyman can "no sell" that many moves in a row. He'll get injured on the second "o."

Please tell me she's not going to turn heel on Rey and say that she's with Orton now?

So did everyone else.

He shouldn't settle on anything that doesn't allow for him to wrestle in the States either. He might think being exclusive to Japan right now would be good but a few months down the road it might not.

I don't know if him thinking that would be a bad thing though. I mean, he knows that people bought the Ric Flair DVD. He knows that the ECW DVD and the Road Warriors DVD, etc. all do well. Instead of doing box sets, maybe they'll just release more specific DVDs? Of course, that means we'll never get a Survivor Series boxset or a Royal Rumble boxset and whatnot, which sucks, but if we're getting Steamboat DVDs and shit, I won't complain. Too bad we can't get both.

I don't really know how well this all ties in but the last two TNA PPV's one of my friends named Bobby wanted to watch the shows with us just because Sting might be there and then because Sting was going to be there (in the tag main event). Admittedly, he's a mark but after Sting wasn't there the first time and announced his "retirement" on iMPACT! Bobby no longer cares about TNA. That's sad to me. TNA sucked him in with Sting. He got to see the Canadian Destroyer and a good PPV Samoa Joe match and he was impressed. Now he's been run off by "bad" booking. Maybe not bad but certainly not the outcome he was looking for. I'm curious how many wrestling fans, in this day and age, are like Bobby. I don't mean just fans that aren't smart to the business or fans that just watch WWE Raw like it's Cheers, just another show on TV. I'm talking about the people that have certain expectations, not from a workrate perspective or a "hey, his promo has improved" way...but like how angles play out and shit. I can hear The Boogeyman and Shelton's mama getting cheered whenever they show up camera. Boogeyman is the shits and Shelton's mom is a terrible gimmick and certainly not going to wrestle anytime soon. There was a poster on an old message forum that I used to post at. Sek knows him. His name was artDDP. He used to always talk about how the downfall of WWF started when Stephanie stayed with HHH instead of going with Kurt Angle in their "love triangle" storyline. In fact, the blowoff upset him so much that quit watching WWF and starting writing fantasy booking stuff instead. The wrestling really doesn't matter. It doesn't. People don't want to hear that but it's true. People weren't watching Hogan/Andre to see a five-star classic match full of workrate. They wanted to see if Hogan could beat Andre. They wanted to see if Andre would win the title. They wanted to see if Hogan could slam Andre. People didn't watch Austin/McMahon because McMahon was a young lion on his way up the ladder of success and was putting on great matches during his climb. Great wrestling with great storylines is just a bonus...but it's not the promise of a good match that'll sell a show. At least not to the majority. That's why ROH is still an Indy fed. That's why Paul London is a jobber in WWE. Even in NWA where the wrestling was better (when compared to WWF) people were tuning in because they wanted to see the Freebirds get their asses kicked or they wanted to see someone be able to fend off the rest of the Horsemen and take out Flair. It wasn't about the matches so much as the outcome of the matches and the story surrounding the matches. It's all about the booking. The booking is everything. WWE is bad because the booking is bad. TNA is bad because the booking is bad. Good booking makes good characters and then the fans take notice and start to care. Good booking makes the belts mean more so that title changes actually matter and the fans can actually remember who has each belt.

Kris fuckin' Kloss? My God, can this "promotion" get any worse? This is so bad that it's sad and it's not even aired yet. Paying the fans to show up? The roster? Oh my goodness...

I'd guess it's like, all of the above. People don't want to hear WWF get censored. They don't want to see WWF get censored. They don't want to shill out all that money for an altered product. The fucking 21-disk was just slapped on top. It's just all the factors slapped together is what I'd guess. I'd guess it was discontinued because it wasn't making as much money as WWE had envisioned it would. Just trash.

How about current TNA instead of '99 WCW?

It was more that he could polish shit. He was the "go to guy" when they needed to make someone look like a credible threat. Kevin Nash, Batista and Scott Steiner all come to mind as they all ran over Jericho during their build-up. I guess that's the whole "solid match with most people" thing though.

I was there live for that promo.

He got return packages, final four in the Rumble and a win over Snitsky on Monday. That was his mini-push. I'm predicting we'll get the Carlito/Masters and HHH/Show match-ups. HBK'll get screwed by a McMahon against Show. I don't know what'll happen to RVD.

It'll be just like WCW in more ways than one. An undercard that shines and a main event that shits. As long as the company is just around so it can fail to get over Jarrett, nothing else really matters. It all takes a backseat to him.

I actually think that Carlito has stepped it up in the ring recently. At least, since the Elimination Chamber, maybe a little bit before anyway. I'd welcome a feud with Mysterio. Of course, it should happen, probably, before Rey feuds with Hunter. Otherwise it'll look like a demotion.

Actually, I think it's quite absurd to suggest that it's not a world title. It's no different than any other "world" title. CZW, IWA and all those other feds. have a world title.

I really don't know. Probably? Yes. ...sometimes I have a tough time watching burnt stuff though. My comp. doesn't want to cooperate. I also don't have a CD burner. I could watch and nominate but unless I get a burner, that's about it.

I wouldn't expect anyone to spend any money to participate in this thread and I wouldn't expect anyone to want that from me. That being said, I think the DVD idea is terrible. All it'll do is alienate several posters, like myself. I'm interested otherwise.

For me, it was all about the finish. I liked the finish a lot. It was innovative and put over Henry's strength well. That along with the fact that I thought Mysterio had a chance to win (because I really wasn't expecting Henry/Angle for the title at the Rumble) and the fact that it was on TV, not a PPV, made it more than watchable. It didn't disappoint is the best way to put it. Most TV matches nowadays are so lackluster that anything average seems better than average.

It's a mixed bag for me with John Cena. I think he had the belt too long and it was time for him to drop the belt. I liked Edge coming out and winning the belt after the Elimination Chamber. The problem I have with it is that it seemingly only happened because WWE went into "panic mode." I think Edge deserves better than that. His big title win should've been a Wrestlemania moment. He deserved a good title reign. I don't dislike Cena. In fact, I liked the way that he covered the boos he was getting by acknowledging them in promos and saying people can like and dislike what they want. I agree with what Loss said earlier in that a lot of the crowds booed Cena because they heard other people on TV do it. That pretty much is the reason that things have got as bad as they have. Now, since WWE hotshot the title, WWE are in super-push mode with Cena. Did you see his entrance at the Rumble on Sunday? Holy crap. Talk about over the top. It's painfully obvious, to the point that it's a big flaw, that WWE are behind Cena. It was bad enough watching him "overcome the odds" on Raw every week to keep the title. All this did is make Edge look terrible, maybe to the point that he's irrepairable and give the crowds more reason to resent John Cena. Edge had the belt for less than a month and then tapped out? C'mon. Either Cena should've kept the belt the whole time and continued to acknowledge the boos (as opposed to ignoring them and acting like they're not happening) or WWE should've given Edge a fair shot. This, to me, is all worse because Edge cut that "I'm not a transitional champion" promo.

WWE should bring back Nidia, stick her back with Jamie Noble, give Noble his old gimmick back and stick him in the US Title scene.

Tonight was the first Raw in YEARS that I didn't watch. I was home, sitting right here beside the TV. I just didn't care. The Rumble soured me that much. I just played World of Warcraft instead. I don't care about WWE. I don't care about TNA. I plan on going to a lot more ROH live events. I had a blast in Dayton.

I took offense to when Loss said I like everything WWE does a month or so back because I knew it wasn't true. I'm just not as negative as a lot of other wrestling fans. I'll say this about the Rumble: My friend Eric paid for it. He even called off from work so my friends and I could all watch it over at his apartment. We ordered a pizza and made a day out of it. My friend Eric wasted thirty-five dollars.

This is off-topic but last night at the Dayton ROH show, my friends and I all marked out for side headlocks. We'd scream "ask him," "he'll tear it off," and "check the arm!" whenever they got slapped on. Later on, we decided that the headlocks became illegal chokes and had to let the ref know that too. It was a good time. A good headlock counter for someone that finishes with a leg move is the knee breaker. Flair's done it.

Well, wrestling no longer appeals to that demographic. Vince has made wrestling look, well, it's not even wrestling anymore. It don't matter if you're a wrestling fan anymore. It used to be, if you watched wrestling, you were young, a redneck, something along those lines. Now if you watch wrestling, people will just straight up call you an idiot. There isn't a Dusty Rhodes or someone like that anymore that can appeal to a different generation of fan. We're still reeling from the Attitude Era. What's left right now is a bunch of die-hard fans, a couple new fans (random little kids that are into the "Chain Gang" and shit) and then some people that got picked up by DX, Austin, Rock, etc. that haven't abandoned ship yet. At the live shows, you get kids that are fans and their parents. Sometimes you get a teenager or young adult that's a fan and he brings his wife/girlfriend with him. The smarky crowds are few and far between but they're there too. Wrestling has fallen a long way since Austin 3:16 & NWO Wolfpack shirts were sold in the mall.

The thing about Hogan that always bothered me the most was the fact that his huge 24" Pythons were always played up yet they didn't ever really come into the equation of a match unless he was slamming a fat dude. His finisher was a leg drop but a clothesline, like the Axe Bomber he used in Japan, would've made more sense.