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You know, honestly, at this point, I wish WWE would just end the damn brand split. It's like, they don't seem like two different products and they're never going to. The "dual-brand" PPV's don't really mean a whole lot and I know on at least a couple of occasions I've not watched a couple of PPV's because they were "Smackdown only" and my local cable provider doesn't get UPN so I wouldn't have had any idea of what was going on and why each match was happening. Of course, if the brand split were to end, Vince's dream of getting up to twenty-four PPV's a year would be out the window. That shit is ridiculous anyway. I swear, with Raw and Smackdown PPVs and now TNA, there's a PPV on like every-single-Sunday. The Royal Rumble is next week and we've already had two PPV's this month. People can talk about "new stars being made" and all that shit all they want. The fact is, we still have the "healthy" top tier guys on top. Triple H is still around. The Undertaker when he's on TV main events. Kurt Angle is right there. Shawn Michaels too. We saw Batista and Cena both get built-up. We're seeing Carlito and Masters, Kennedy and some other guys getting a chance to shine too. Couldn't WWE do that with one brand anyway though? I mean, it's not like people are clamoring for shit like The Boogeyman eating Jillian's mole and I can't help but think if the brand split were gone, we might not have to watch that or another failed Mark Henry run.

Just curious but why does Jim Ross' opinion matter on Billy Graham? He was all over the Bret Hart and Road Warriors DVD's too. I really don't give a shit about his opinion.

Hell, it's not even just the mean-spirited stuff. EVERYTHING seems to be going against WWE nowadays. Batista got hurt. Mike Goldberg turned them down. People are fighting over trademarks. Bret turned down Homecoming and Survivor Series, etc.

For me, it's tough to say. I wonder what I would've thought about WWF in the 80's had I been "smartened up" then. I probably would've been bitter that Hogan was on top and DiBiase wasn't, instead, I was a Hogan mark and I wanted him to beat everyone.

Angel has to leave mid-match to take shit breaks?

I say good riddance. He didn't bring anything to the table. I mean, I don't wish unemployment and hard times on anyone but as a fan, I'm happy about this release.

Damn, I hadn't even thought about that. I guess it'd make more sense for Christian to hold it now than Sting. Sting is going to be over regardless and has had the world title before. Christian is over but he still needs to reach that next level. I don't know if it'll work but they might as well try.

So, Jillian is brought into WWE with the horrible mole gimmick and now that the Boogeyman has bit it off, she's on the outs? She can't be a character without the mole?

I don't know how to feel about NWA World Champion Christian. Obviously it'd be a step-up from Jeff Jarrett, so I guess that's all that matters. Can't deny that Christian is over and a money promo man either I guess.

Thoughts on that? That's a completely different viewpoint from what I've heard.

There's not a whole lot to say about the Raven interview. He was brutally honest but he also comes off as if he thinks he's some fantastic worker and he's really not. He never has been. He has good psychology. He knows how to put a match together. It's just all the stuff in-between that doesn't stand out. Raven has never did a lot of things in the ring that make you eww and ahh he just does the basics well. He talks about dragging people like Gordy and Goldberg to really good matches...but those two examples certainly don't stand out to me. His match with Bam Bam Gordy was just a garbage brawl and his match with Goldberg had a ref bump and repeated interference from Kanyon. I like Raven. He's one of my favorite wrestlers of all-time. Probably third on my all-time list behind Hayes and Nikita. I liked him more for his character and promos than his wrestling though. Same with Hayes and Nikita. It doesn't matter how good a match turns out if you don't care about wanting to see it. Raven always did shit that made you want to watch his matches. The interview was dated a little bit too. It was back before Raven did Hardcore Homecoming. I liked what he said about the X-Division because it's true. AJ Styles stands out because he has a clean look and doesn't scream "jobber" when he walks out. People like Alex Shelley and Sonjay Dutt can't say the same. I wanna see Raven work Samoa Joe in TNA. Especially after Joe squashed Riley, Raven's lackey, on iMPACT! last night. It'd give Joe a program to work that didn't involve Styles or Daniels and it'd give Raven something to do after his Zybysko trash is over with.

Yeah but she was one of the first to flaunt the huge fake tits. Sunny was around but she wasn't super-exposed like Sable was. Remember the body paint hand prints? Elizabeth and Missy Hyatt were around in the older days but they were pretty conservative. Sunny was around but covered up for the most part (at least on-screen). Sable didn't leave a whole lot to the imagination plus she had the occasional matches where he's pull out a Bomb or TKO.

I can think of two reasons....

Dawn Marie also had experience since she worked in ECW. Heyman, Buh-Buh Ray, Lance Storm, etc. were in WWE at the time, so it made sense to me.

It's also the mindset of why the majority of wrestlers hate "smart marks." Y'all have fun.

Whatever, I thought it was great. I don't give a fuck about ratings and goddamn buyrates, it entertained me. As a fan, I can't ask for more than that.

I liked it because the PPV didn't predictably end with Cena "overcoming the odds" and retaining. It was something different and now I don't know what direction WWE is heading in towards Wrestlemania. To me, that's a good thing. I want to be surprised. I didn't want to know that it'd be Cena Vs. HHH for the title. Hell, halfway through the match I was BEGGING for Carlito to win. Anyone but Cena.

...and won. Edge is the champion.

Well, Cena won...but Edge came out and is cashing in his money in the bank contract right now.

Heh, I thought the best match on paper was Trish Stratus Vs. Mickie James. Also, Angle was the first man eliminated.

Well, I don't know how much Batista's age has to do with anything. If wrestlings past is any indication, Big Dave could be 'round for another couple decades. I've never been real high on the Van Dam horse, so I don't get a lot of the resentment there. I didn't think Van Dam had enough tools he was just insanely over. Sometimes, that's enough, sometimes it's not. I dunno. Booker though? I did think he should've won. I didn't think Jericho should've won the tournament with Angle, Rock & Austin...but he did. So, HHH shouldn't have buried him either.

A lot of people would add Booker T. to that list as well. HHH did put over Batista though.

Triple H just came back from taking a break. It doesn't matter what he does, people will always shit on him. Would that be an improvement?

The appropriate reaction certainly isn't for this to be newsworthy at thirty different sites. Jesus, I've never seen such a commotion over a pregnancy before. They've been a couple for awhile, a baby was the next logical step. People act like they were baffled to hear the news or something. Not saying that's the case here but people really blow the littlest things out of proportion.

Yes, I actually care because I'm a mark for the Elimination Chamber gimmick and I'm holding out hope that we might get a new champion. Not because I don't think Cena is a good champion, he does at least get reactions, just because I'm a greedy fan and personally I want a new champ. This is also a reminder thread because a lot of people seem to forget about PPV's these days. Also, thread title: "idiot" You'll note that Helms/Lawler doesn't have a picture. That pretty much shows what WWE thinks of that match. Of course, it was just a throw together match at the last second and there's probably zero interest in that match. It's not like the pictures are real flattering for ANYONE anyway. Jeez. A lot of people are liking the Trish/Mickie storyline including the guys from the LAW. On the last episode of LAW they actually said it was the match that they were most looking forward to on the PPV. This thread is for predictions and talk about the Pay-Per-View. Here's a quick copy/paste of the line-up for prediction purposes: Elimination Chamber HHH/Show Edge/Flair Trish/Mickie Bra & Panties Helms/Lawler I wouldn't be surprised if another match was randomly thrown onto the PPV as well. Maybe something with Shelton & his mama or possibly Trevor Murdoch.