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  1. JerryvonKramer
    So hands up how many people here, like me, first learned the meaning of the word "arrogance" from Rick Martel. Brother Love: I'm talking about a dynamic personality ... Jesse: I didn't know I was on. Brother Love: I'm not just talking about a great wrestler ... Vince: Well it's definitely not you now. LOL, awesome. 1-0 Vince. Martel seems like he's having a lot of fun playing this character, camping it up to the max. Martel: A swell smell that makes sense. Get it? Scents. I must say, Martel has lovely teeth. Excellent!
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    I just want to point out that Hulk Hogan refers to God as a "Hulkamaniac" during his promo. Also talks about Warrior being sweat from the Devil's armpit. Comes to something when Warrior comes off as the more sane of the two. JACK TUNNEY! Jack is almost jolly by his standards in this announcement. There's even a little twinkle in his eye as he says "thank you". Tunney is deffo a JvK hero.
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    HOLY SHIT. As the eye swells more and more, Vader has shades of Sloth from the Goonies. Stiff meaty action here, as one would expect. What a night of wrestling in Tokyo. I'm not sure if this would be my MOTN though, in a weird way, I preferred the other 3. If I had to dish out ratings, this would be a ***1/2, and the other three around ****.
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    Wow, what a stacked card. This would have been an awesome show to attend. So what is the relationship between Tenryu and Choshu at this stage? Starts exactly as I'd expect at a million miles an hour. Very cool fireman carry takeover by Choshu. Pace doesn't let up. Takano with a bunch of kicks and a suplex. Tiger Mask in. Very high flying crossbody. Choshu comes in now with the Scorpion. Another wonder of entymology. Takano seems pretty pumped. I didn't like how long it took him to do the double-arm suplex, felt like forever in the set up. Why was Tiger Mask just standing there waiting for it too? Choshu vs. Tenryu is where this match is at though. Fucking hell! I'm pretty much marking out on my sofa for this. Tenryu being actually affronted by Takano's offense is awesome. He gives him a look as if to say "how dare you!" Takano is a bit spotty for my tastes. Spike piledriver! Wonder how much cushioning the ears give Tiger Mask on that. I honestly think Tiger Mask and Takano detract a little bit from the awesomeness of this, Tiger Mask especially. Tokyo Dome seems like it's going to explode when Choshu gets the Scorpion on Tenryu and that's it. The Choshu / Tenryu intereactions were out of this world immense. This was very good.
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    Crowd is insane here. My first observation is that I RESPECT Kido's well-kept and gentlemanly-looking moustache. It's an excellent little number. It's almost polite as moustaches go. This is action-packed, stiff and has a great crowd. Yatsu hits five headbutts in a row. Jumbo sticks a massive boot into Kimura's face. Crowd goes nuts for an armbar by Kido. The exchange between Jumbo and Kido is excellent. There's nothing sophisticated or particularly structured about this, but it's so much fun. If Jumbo was a fan of the original 1987 Street Fighter, he might have said this after the match.
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    Saito looks so fucking cool and hard as this starts. You do not want to mess with that man. This crowd is red hot. Saito is just awesome here firing them up. Man, it's amazing to see this after seeing him stooge for Hogan. Very All-Japanish this match, which is no bad thing. Saito absolutely nails those suplexes. Massive offense. Tremendous feeling of this match seeing him get a moment in the sun like this. He basically works this as if he's Hulk Hogan. Perhaps he kills Larry a bit too much for this to be a truly great match, but it was very very enjoyable. This wasn't all Saito either though, Zybysko was pretty good here too.
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    You'd swear someone had just shot the President dead from the look on Ross's face here.
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    Chad, I'm claiming Geraldo Rivera was one of the most over men in America in 1990.
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    I know "Gorky Park" more for being a film, one which I've wanted to see for some time because I like Dennis Potter's Blue Remembered Hills. I see others here picked up on the sub-text between Kerry and the blonde.
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    Like watching noisy paint dry. This continues not to be my scene at all.
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    Sure, that makes sense. Thanks for clarification.
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    From looking at lots of JCP cards in the past year or so, it has seemed to me that any crowd over about 10,000 in the Carolinas (or VA) would be considered a really good one and anything over 15,000 phenomenal. The Richmond shows tend to be about 8,000, the Greensboro shows more like 10,000, or 15,000 on a very good night (like Starrcade 83). And that's about where it peaks out. For cards that go much above that, you have to look at shows they ran outside of their traditional stomping ground. I guess the thing I'm not understanding here is why we can't assume we'd see the same sort of numbers in MACW in the 70s. Are you expecting them to be bigger or smaller or just have no idea? I'd have thought they'd be around the same.
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    It takes a lot for Chad not to pick Flair for MVP. If you look at the record books, in the 20 shows we've looked at from Starrcade 87 till now, Chad has picked Flair for MVP in 10 of them. For those same 20 shows, I only gave it to Flair 4 times.
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    Having a flick through the PDFs from Chris Harrington's forthcoming Wrestlenomics book, but this stuck out to me as it reminded me of the talking about re: Sheik in 84 in this thread: Doesn't tell the whole story though since Sheik's total stats for 84 are as follows and he had more matches than any other wrestler that year: Here's Piper: Here's Valentine: Here's Muraco: And here's Orndorff: I want to see if this claim is justified: Here are some heels with some pretty impressive win-loss records from 85: And from 86: 87: Even Honkytonk Man had a positive win percentage. And look at this one from 89: I think, personally, that regardless of whether a guy is a face or a heel wins = momentum and can be taken as evidence of some sort of push. It's just obviously not the case that "heels never won" in the 80s, even in a baby face-centric promotion like WWF. The one very weird stat however, that goes against the idea that wins = push is Flair in 1992: It's clear Flair was number 1 heel in the promotion and champ for much of 1992 but he only won 20% of his matches. Looking at Graham's site it seems like the vast majority of his matches (win or loss) were countout or DQ finishes. So it's not like Flair was laying down for over 100 opponents that year. Still, Flair isn't alone. Piper in 85: All-in-all not very definitive then since it is possible to be a heel on top with a win percentage in the 20s ... but these seem to be exceptions to the general rule that heels who are being pushed are given wins. I'm not sure if it gets us any closer to proving Sheik was or wasn't number 1 heel in 1984 though.
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    I'd have thought they'd just run the same venues: that MACW in 78 would be running the same arenas as JCP in 85. Is that not the case?
  16. JerryvonKramer
    NWA Fan! Welcome. Glad you made it to PWO. I was honestly worried that we'd offended you forever over our little disagreement about Ron Garvin. There's plenty of good shows coming up in the next few years that should be great to see if you've never seen them.
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    Wonder if that has anything to do with the publication of this: http://www.highspots.com/p/crockett-book-1.html With MACW arena sizes, can't we make an estimate based on the crowd sizes in the typical JCP loop from 85 or so?
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    I really enjoyed what I've heard of this so far too. Have another 40 mins or so to go.
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    However, by the period in question (76-81), Baker spent a lot of time in the South East, with runs in CWF and Gulf Coast (later Continental). In CWF he tagged with Billy Graham, but the thing I'd heard about him most was the run he had in Gulf Coast first tagging with and then feuding with the young Hulk Hogan. This is why I put him under "Florida" in the initial list. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that he was particularly over in that area. Digging around, turns out he also had runs in Detroit and Texas during this time too, holding the Texas title as late as 1980. For the purposes of this thread, however, I think Ox Baker was getting on a bit in terms of being a top top heel -- even more so than Ivan Koloff. Also, I can only imagine that some of his late runs must have been as a face. Graham's big claim to fame is selling out MSG 19 out of 20 nights during his monster 77-8 year, plus the match with Harley Race in Miami during that same year. For all intents and purposes, he's pretty much done after that. Although Hulk Hogan would always credit him (and to a lesser extent Ox Baker) for much of his schtick as would Jesse Ventura. It might be a question of how many tickets Graham sold in that monster run. How many times did Patera sell out MSG?
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    Before I disappear for a day or so, I was just looking at some title histories for different territories and couldn't help but notice that The Spoiler held just about every territorial singles title going in the 76-81 period: Georgia Heavyweight Championship (Jan-Feb 76, vs. Dusty and Dick Slater) Florida Heavyweight Champ (May-September 78 vs Brisco, Dusty and Keirn, Nov-Dec 81 vs. Mr. Wrestling II) NWA American Heavyweight Championship (Texas) (April-August 79, vs. Wahoo, El Halcon, and Brody) NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (Mid-South area) (Nov. 76, vs. DiBiase, but seems to have skipped town or otherwise been unable to defend since "The Brute" defended on his behalf) Also feuded with The Crusher in AWA as Super Destroyer, plus numerous challenges for the NWA World title. He surely has to be "up there" with Mosca in this period.
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    One thing I'd like to know more about is the relationships between the NWA affiliates during the 1970s. Were some offices closer with each other than others? For example, take Ole and Gene Anderson, they seemed to oscillate between JCP and GCW almost exclusively. There are a lot of guys who went back and forth between Georgia and Florida too. I guess this might be partly a practicality of the geography, but were those three offices closer with each other, for example, than any of them were with say the Texas office? Just wondering really.
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    I think one of the things that has become pretty clear from this thread if it wasn't already is that in the era Dylan has outlined, there were really two different types of heels: a heel staple for a given territory or promotion, and then your top heel who was brought in for runs. I think it's quite hard to compare them because the second variety is almost always going to be drawing against top babyfaces where ever they go. If you say "well, Hogan was the main eventer for WWF 84-88", then isn't this essentially the same thing on a smaller scale? Every Mosca run or Ivan Koloff run or whoever's run is similar to your Hogan vs. Kamala or King Kong Bundy feuds. Only they move on and do their act in a different place against another top babyface once the run is done. How much do you credit doing that vs. the sort of thing Valentine was doing on these cards? How many top heels outside of Rose and Bockwinkel had lengthy (as in 3+ year) runs in a given place?
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    A few of gimmies: Buddy Rose - Portland Bock - AWA The Andersons - Georgia Ted DiBiase - Mid South
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    What would be interesting, if a little tedious, is naming the top 1-2 heels per promotion per year. Something like a much more detailed, accurate version of the list I did on the first page. However, I do wonder if that is even possible with proper "babyface promotions" though. Same question as jdw really: Is the top heel the guy who happens to be working the top face? Was Kamala the top WWF heel at any time in 1986 because he worked a program with Hogan? Or was "the top heel" simply put Piper? Or was it King Kong Bundy? Or actually was it Heenan? Or even Savage? It's hard to say isn't it. You could do that pretty much with every year from 88 to 90, assuming Andre is a lock for 87 (we can give 91-2 to Flair).
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    Just had a little look Butch -- seems a bit thin for a TV show. I suspect he'll have to do some talent raiding. Also, if this has any sort of success at all, it could become a destination promotion for American wrestlers too. What would it even need to do to become better than TNA overnight? Simply "not fuck up", assuming ITV don't stick it in a graveyard slot.
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