NintendoLogic

You can assume someone's contractual obligations in WWE by signing a contract written up for that person, so I have no trouble believing in a contract that allows you to assault the owner. I don't disagree with the broader point, mind you.

Vince did fire Austin. Shane brought him back with an ironclad contract.

My greatest fear is that when HHH finally gets put in the Yes Lock, he does the HBK in the ankle lock deal where he struggles for like five minutes before tapping out.

I'm sorry, but wrestling is far too low of an art form to merit the kind of critical analysis and standards we apply to things like cinema and theater. I think that trying to figure out what exactly in wrestling appeals to you is a worthwhile endeavor, but that doesn't change the fact that taste is inherently subjective. You can point to consensus as some sort of objective benchmark, but this board is all about challenging conventional wisdom and finding your own path.

I'll give my thoughts later, but I think the I Quit match with JBL and the RVD match from ONS definitely belong on a list of consensus great Cena matches.

I'm have no clue what would make MS-1/Sangre Chicana difficult for a novice to get into. I think it's the most accessible lucha brawl by far.

Wait, I thought Terry Rudge was the GOAT. Now he's only Tier 4?

By my count, there are 103 bolded matches. Is that correct?

Fuck that, Taue is tier 2 for sure. Let me put it this way: if Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi are Jordan/Magic/Bird (feel free to assign the roles however you like), then Taue is Scottie Pippen. Also, El Hijo del Santo belongs in the first tier. I'd say he has as strong a case for GOAT as any luchador.

I thought HHH's promo was pretty good. He sounded like someone who genuinely thought he was doing the right thing while still being kind of a dick. It was about five minutes too long, but that's par for the course when HHH is involved.

The two guys who always personified the second tier to me are Vader and Ricky Steamboat.

So what's the over/under on the length of the inevitable HHH promo to open Raw tomorrow?

So what happened? Did HHH Pedigree Bryan so Orton could cash in?

Fixed.

Only if you want to be subjected to six months of inspirational video packages to hype his eventual return. Trust me, the cure is worse than the disease.

The funny thing about Tenryu is that objectively speaking, he's a terrible wrestler. He's not particularly known for his athleticism or matwork, and he can't even execute his own finisher properly. But he brings so many intangibles to the table that he manages to overcome all that. Like, I hate strike exchanges and fighting spirit no-selling more than just about anything, but Tenryu somehow manages to make them compelling. With that said, I view him as more of an all-time top 20 guy than a serious GOAT contender. I just find him somewhat limited in singles matches unless he's in there with a superworker like Jumbo. (On that note, I don't know what to make of the fact that his best post-1989 singles match was with Keiji Mutoh of all people.) Even if you're higher on Tenryu's singles work than I am, I think most would agree that a tag setting is where he really shines.

If Serena can get fired for not living her gimmick, shouldn't Del Rio have to drop the title for getting roughed up in a fight?

I made a thread along these lines a while back. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?show...=15403&st=0 For me, ten matches is too hard. Also, you have to be cognizant of card placement. Sticking ten main events on a single card seems like overkill. Anyway, here's what my card would look like right now. Maybe I'll add some later. Bret/Owen, WM10 Eddy/Rey, Halloween Havoc Sting/Vader, Starrcade Luger/Windham vs. Arn/Tully, Clash I Hokuto/Kandori, Dreamslam Hansen/Kobashi, 7/29/93 Misawa/Kawada, 6/3/94

Seems to me that Jeff Jarrett belongs in the conversation. EDIT: Never mind, I'm an idiot.

I'll make a point to watch at least all the bolded matches. Kobashi/Takayama from 2004 is my working #1 going in with Misawa/Akiyama from 2000 right behind.

It's not that there were no great matches after this point. it's just that I think this is the match that makes it clear that the style's more degenerate aspects had moved to the forefront and there was no turning back.

I'd say this match marks the point where King's Road jumped the shark. I really like the first fifteen minutes or so, but then Kawada says "Fuck it, I'm just going to drop Misawa on his head a bunch" and things go downhill in a hurry.

Cena has never handled this issue well, even when he should expect it coming. See this Wade Keller editorial, for example. Clearly, he knows he has to say he's cool with homosexuality publicly, but one gets vibes that he's not altogether comfortable with the idea. This is what I was trying to get at. You'd think that someone with a close family member who was gay wouldn't be so obtuse on the issue.