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Exactly right. Goldberg was hardly losing steam due the streak at the end of '98, and in a pretty great place as a draw considering that they pushed him and the title beneath Hogan all fall until Starrcade. But it was Nash's turn so there you have it. I wonder if the Goldberg of a couple years later would've handled things differently and been as quick to take the loss at that point.
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Man that really was some shit. Luger winning got a huge reaction and it was less than nothing in the scheme of things thanks to the booking. Its really incredibly when you look at that, Goldberg winning the belt and countless other hotshot moves they did solely to move a rating for one night. Just pissing away an unfathomable amount of money.
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I read this to mean that you believe ECW was a promotion that helped turn WWE into the most profitable wrestling promotion in the US. I find that beyond the realms of logic, reason, truth or fact. If I'm mistaken, my bad.
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There's nothing at all hyperbolic about stating a preference for WWECW's matches to ECW's, or vice versa. That's a purely subjective observation and I'd listen to a credible case for either, even if I think the mcmahon-branded matches hold up better. But to say that ECW was responsible for or caused WWE's boom or to somehow suggest it was anything more than a somewhat visible player in the same industry is effing ludicrous. And I LOVED original ECW.
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I loved ECW then and still enjoy looking back at it, especially some of the promos and angles. It also opened the big 2's eyes to a lot of talent, ideas and styles that may otherwise not have been appreciated or exposed quite as much. But as long as Austin and Rock make their way to CT, that rocket is taking off on essentially the same trajectory with or without ECW.
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Before heading out for a last drink and celebration with the wife and friends, here's a big shout out and thank you to the PWO crew for making me think more about wrestling and making it more enjoyable -- which is exactly why I and I'm sure others love this place. Brody in 2013!
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Going on gut WWECW produced more in the ring that will be looked back upon favorably than ECW. But as far as angles, creativity and impacting a segment of a generation of fans, ECW has it. I still remember staying up late in middle/high school to catch the latest from Heyman on MSG. That was never the case on SciFi.
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Brody would scream and act intense, but I'm not convinced his work on the mic is much better than Sid's. No question he had a certain star charisma that let him headline so many places over the years, but he didn't exactly deliver much more on the stick than in the ring.
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Sid, without question. Check out his promo on an early IYH where he basically asks to reshoot it and Jim Ross tells him their live. Brody didn't do comedy.
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Somehow forgot about that, even with the thread on renaming the WON brawler award the history of it wasn't picked up on. Pretty clear this book was being written long before July 1988.
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I remember noticing that when watching this on the AJ 80s set. No question he was loved in Japan and Brody/Hansen would've been electric over there. Taking another look at it I'm also struck by how gray Brody was. If Bin Laden could spring for Just For Men you'd think Mr. Goodish could as well.
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What does the fact that Brody was gutted in Puerto Rico have to do with acknowledging him stinking up Japan, Texas and most anywhere else he went? I don't see the connection.
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Its hopefully in my mailbox downstairs and I can't wait to pick it up after dinner. Absolutely love the extensive obits/history pieces on guys or eras I'm not too familiar with. On the other hand, this is why I can wait until after dinner to pick it up.
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Maybe this is why I was struggling to come up with my current Fave Five. I was going to post that for me it was a somewhat more stylistic answer, as I've been seeking out guys like La Fiera/Casas/Santo/Dandy as I increase my exposure to Lucha and folks like Volk Han as I'm also looking to watch more shoot style wrestling. But, for example, today I've watched Daniel Bryan's promos & matches from the last couple WWE shows while flying through the rest on DVR, some end of '94 AJ and now some '80s Memphis from the DVDVR set (Hey, we've got snow and shitty weather so the wife was kind of enough to let me get away with that today while she watches some mysteries). More often than not I'll take advantage of that ability to watch a variety of styles and performers and keep it mixed up with new matches and angles while sometimes turning back to classics. Next I'll probably check out some lucha Dean's posted over at DVDVR.
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[1993-10-23-AJPW-October Giant Series] Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
Bonus points here for the stretch plum setting up a pinfall finish. It made that spot so much bigger in the tag league / carnival finals and all of Kawad's big matches basically until he won the TC.- 13 replies
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Just saw this for the first time. While inferior to all of their big matches as noted above, it was fun and unique to see them in this setting without the same stakes and work without some of the crazy bumps that became part of the protocol for this feud. Loved the Kawada/Misawa interactions here as even though Kawada is the champion you can tell how important it is for him to get that elusive fall over Misawa.
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[1994-10-22-AJPW-October Giant Series] Steve Williams vs Toshiaki Kawada
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1994
Although it would've been much better about 8-10 minutes shorter, I thought this was a smartly worked and fun match. Kawada did a great job on Williams' knee in the early portion which paid off when he couldn't finish the Stampede due to the knee. I would've liked to see it stop him from landing a doctor bomb or another big move later as well. Down the stretch the struggle over the power bombs was great and the finishing sequence of enzuigiris was also a ton of fun. Somehow it still felt anti-climactic for a title change after everything Kawada had been through up to this point.- 11 replies
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Fantastic post. Wish I could've laid it out just like that.
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Renaming the Bruiser Brody Best Brawler Award
WingedEagle replied to goodhelmet's topic in The Microscope
I think there's definite value in what other wrestlers thought of a given worker. Now ID'ing that value is open to much interpretation as well as a thorough reading on BS meter -- as others have noted this can give you insight into which guys were close outside of the ring, who's peers thought he worked lightly, who was perceived as a good draw, easy to work with or a genuinely great worker. But none of that means anyone has to accept the boys' opinion on who was a great worker as fact. -
Their 8/93 match used to me my favorite between the pair. Upon a rewatch as I go through things chronologically that is no no longer the case. This was fantastic even if it was 8-10 minutes too long. The crowd was bananas almost from the beginning for Kobashi, almost like 5/21/94 or the TC win over Taue, only without being able to see them shaking in the stands like a video game. It was fascinating to see Williams approach Kobashi as more of a threat than Misawa -- he was much more cautious and more apprehensive about Kobashi's ability to match up with his power. The Hansen match in 7/93 is undoubtedly a classic, but Kobashi seemed to take another huge leap to being on an equal level with the big boys here.
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[1994-07-28-AJPW-Summer Action Series] Steve Williams vs Mitsuharu Misawa
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in July 1994
I thought this turned on Williams' countering Misawa's offense into a spinebuster. Misawa had his spots afterwards, including the Tiger Driver, but Williams was mauling him and seemed in control the rest of the way, building for the BDD> This is one of my favorite examples of Misawa's selling. Just an unbelievable job making his challenger look like the most dominant thing out there. Gordy looked awful here in Williams' corner. Baggy purple sweats aren't flattering on most, but even they couldn't hide how he'd let himself go.- 19 replies
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Thanks, definitely gives me some stuff to work with. Will probably check out IVP's comps once I'm ready to hit the 2000s. Thanks, definitely looking forward to working through these. Looks like a great mix. Appreciate all the suggestions!
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Ole was a phenomenal promo. The man did a great job combining evil, maniacal and intelligent. Shia LaBeouf would've gone home without his lunch rather than face off with Ole.
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Renaming the Bruiser Brody Best Brawler Award
WingedEagle replied to goodhelmet's topic in The Microscope
Add Mayumi Ozaki to the list. Could add more from joshi, but the point stands. I'd rename it for Hansen.