Jmare007

The more I re-watch from Kobashi, the more he falls of my list of puro guys. Dude is still in the elite but 7 years ago he would've been in my top 10, now it's more of 20-30 kinda guy.

There's no reason to play devil's advocate though. It's like he's already is preparing for a "he's not seen as the top guy" rant when he comes backs, is the most over guy on the roster and starts headlining house shows This I completely agree. There's something about Bryan that makes him go "don't get too exited" every time.

That was a pretty damn good match it's from "We must eat Michigan's brain". There's also a nice match against Regal when they were training in Memphis And man, I can't stress enough the 16 Carat Gold stuff.

might also have something to due with the time of the year. Fall is usually a pattern holding period for the company. Mania season is where people get all analytical and stuff Oh come on. Last year it was all about over analyzing every segment Bryan was in (booking and ratings wise) after Summerslam. It's been nice to not have that kind of overreaction to everything with Rollins and Ambrose, I hope we never go back to the days of Punk's reign as champion or Bryan's weird ass push last year. But I find it interesting that only 1 year after people went full retard (myself included a couple of times) with D-Bry's rise, there's not near the panic with Seth/Dean.

I thought it was funny and it did ended up with a serious beatdown to end the show. It's not like they are building to HIAC with only comedy segments. So far it's been a nice mix. I think one thing that has been unnoticed is how little the product gets over analyzed when you don't have Punk or Bryan involved in big storylines. It's refreshing not to hear or read constant complaints about how Seth looks "too weak" every show because he always needs the help from the authority or how they are sabotaging Ambrose because they are pairing him up with Cena. Or having to look at quarterly ratings to see how well Rollins/Ambrose are doing and if the company have faith in them. I don't know if it's because Seth/Dean don't have a fanbase as pessimistic as Bryan/Punk or because fans are beginning to trust more in the company when it comes to pushes for indy guys. Regardless, I hope this trend continues.

And that sets up the return Hall of Pain Mark

Claudio Castagnoli and Dave Taylor.

Not gonna attempt to do a big list as I'm sure stomperspc is gonna deliver a good one. But if I could add a couple of suggestions that may not be the most heralded heralded matches but they are entertaining as hell. -Indy run after becoming ROH Champ: vs Necro Butcher - Giant Size Annual #4 2007 (PWG) vs El Generico - Giant Size Annual #4 with Roderick Strong vs Motor City Machine Guns - DDT4 2009 (PWG) with Roderick Strong vs The Young Bucks - DDT4 2009 (if someone wants to see people beating the fuck out of the Bucks, watch this match) vs Chris Hero - Guerre Sans Frontieres 2009 Team Uppercut vs Masters of 1000 holds - King Of Trios 2009 (Chikara) Team Uppercut vs Team F.I.S.T. - King Of Trios 2009 with Claudio Castagnoli vs Mike Quackenbush & Jigsaw - Hiding in Plain Sight 2009 vs Silas Young - Defining Moment 2009 (AAW) vs Claudio Castagnoli - Northern Navigation 2008 (ROH) vs El Generico - Proving Ground 2009 vs Munenori Sawa - EVOLVE 5 International matches: vs Mike Quackenbush - 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2008 (wXw) vs Chris Hero - 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2008 vs Bad Bones - 16 Carat Gold Tournament 2008 vs Atsushi Aoki - 5/15/2008 (NOAH) The 16 Carat Gold tournament from 08' is a must watch for this project imo. When he was at his peak of his "indy god" persona, Bryan went full heel and delivered amazing performances in front of the obnoxious german crowd.

This was a great listen. And man, if you guys want to hear Akira Fukuzawa (IIRC he was the one doing commentary in the early 90's) going batshit insane watch the Misawa vs Terry Gordy 6/1/91 match, aka the FACELOCK match and the best I've seen from Gordy in singles.

This is the 4th Dandy match I've ever seen (the other 3 being the apuestas/title matches against Pirata Morgan and Emilio Charles Jr) and finally I'm starting to "get" what's so great about him. Dude is crisp as fuck and the way he generated heat here was awesome, I really want to see an Atlantis/Dandy match now. I was kinda annoyed how the announcer kept talking about Gran Davis shaving his mustache. Shit was like Michael Cole talking about stuff that have nothing to do with the match and detracting from the action in the ring. I've only seen like 10 Lucha matches since the project started but my god, Lucha commentary sucks ass I thought this was before the Azteca match and wanted to watch it as a set up but oh well.

I agree with Matt, I think it would be easier if you repost your priorities and most importantly, point out what you have seen so we don't end up suggesting stuff you've already watched. It's gonna be hard as hell to find links for U.S Indies too. Too bad megaupload and fileserve went down because 2-3 years ago almost everything worthwhile was at least downloadable. I always thought the 77' RWTL match was their most talked about encounter. With Terry having one hell of a performance. Not sure if I've watched the 78' match. Good look.

All boards are like that though. Older/established posters tend to give the impression they don't appreciate different opinions and/or dismiss claims that go against what they like. I've been a part of many forums and there's always at least 1 guy who complains people are close minded and people with different tastes are not welcomed (except TSC on the-coli but that's whole different experience). The whole point of the Greatest Ever project is to not have a "PWO representative" poll, but to have different ballots and opinions and see what kinda of consensus there is about great wrestlers. If Jimmy Jacobs is the PWO representative of modern indies (not true imo, but whatever) and you think that's laughable, then fight it and make cases for other people. Bring guys that think differently and send a ballots. The project will gain a lot more if you do something about it than if you just point it out and dismiss it. Joe (W2BTD) has tastes that are vastly different from what the majority of this board thinks it's "good wrestling" but he has no problem debating and defending his stance on wrestlers, same with Scott in the "Reaction" podcasts on PTBN. Who cares if some guys don't like your opinion/taste in wrestling? Hell, if there's one place were there are A LOT of people willing to change their opinions on wrestlers it's PWO. But some unfriendly replies are gonna keep guys from sending a ballot??? I guess sometimes people take the internet too seriously...

Great list. Would also add the Samu match from PPPW (date is 6/26/86). One of those matches were Flair just decides to put on a show in front of a half empty building so he can elevate the local star. Not a great match - bs ending - but an entertaining one that shows that Naitch didn't seem to take days off.

Are you referring to this? Nope that's his Nexus days. It was some old lady trying to hit him because he wasn't Jesus and other kinda funny shit at house shows. Not riots or anything but Punk was clearly getting in some people's nerves during that run.

A guy I've always wanted to watch more because every time I see a match of his, I'm impressed with his work. Holy shit at that Phil Schneider post. Thanks man.

Didn't Punk have a couple of incidents in some house shows when he was doing the SXE Society and didn't WWE asked him to tone it down or something like that?

The most fun part about the show was seeing a member from another forum I go to pull up some funny ass signs. Even Cena acknowledged one

I died at that "9.99" song. Sounded like Sum41

aaaand the changed it to Kane vs Ambrose and Cena vs Orton

So they were announcing Ambrose vs Orton for tonight but they scrapped it and instead they are doing an Authority segment to "address the situation". Tonight might be one of those Vince scrapping everything at the last minute RAWs.

That looked like a Cena/Lesnar HIAC build up. Not sure how I feel about that.

Odds are so stacked against Cena that I'm scared.

That Orton/Jericho match kinda exposes Bray Wyatt. It seemed like Jericho can still have a good match and make the crowd care.

Definitely looking more interesting. https://twitter.com/WWE/status/512976420247961600 Dave on the F4W board: After seeing Sting tweet about it yesterday I lost all hope of it being anything NOT related to 2k15. Oh well.

A strong contender for n°1 for me. I've probably seen more Flair singles matches than any other wrestler and even though he did have his "formula" I was never bothered by it and didn't think it was worse than any other "formula" that almost every all-timer has. And as Parv posted in the Microscope thread, there are a lot of examples of Naitch going away from his usual style. His later years can play a part in him not getting n°1 but I don't see him dropping from the top 5. But then again, even though he did get much worse than others as he got older. I'm not sure a lot of those people had the body of work Flair had in his prime. I'd see the argument if people were on the same level before Ric started his decline/others adapted but I still haven't seen someone as good as Flair in his prime get better or adapt better as they got older. I'd put guys like Misawa or Kawada on Ric's prime level and they too got worse as they got older too. Yeah, Brody was one of his opponents I dreaded the most. I sat through a couple of very mediocre matches before finding the one were it finally clicked for them (still can't remember the date). Still, it's the best Brody singles match I've seen and it wasn't because of what Brody did.