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Having met her, I think it's more of a very fierce determination to be the best at what she did as much as its a miracle. When she's smart enough to be able to talk for 3 minutes on why her style of offense, match pace and body type made the Rock style spinebuster more logical than the Arn one, I got the sense of someone who really cared. I think Trish works rings around Richter, Martin, Kai etc. I find 80's WWF Women's wrestling absolutely awful except for the JBA. In ring I also think she's better than Sherri Martel though Sherri was the superior heel manager. And I think Madusa is horribly overrated unless she's against the very Japanese women mentioned that Trish never had a chance to work with. I'd defend her more but Jingus is presenting a more amazing case than I ever could.

Because Hogan's ego.

I also think the triple threat at WM XIX is the third best match that night and being behind Michaels-Jericho and Angle-Lesnar is nothing to cry home about. The fact that she put together something that isn't one of the worst matches ever against a Christy Hemme on her 2nd match and with a dislocated shoulder is amazing too.

I view her as the North American GOAT for women so yes she's on my list. Is she better in ring than Sasha, Molly Holly or Bayley? Nope but in ring skill is only part of the package. Fundamentally I am putting her in because of how hard she worked. She came in pretty clueless as to how to work and a god awful promo. She was clearly hired for just her look as a Pamela Anderson type and could have coasted on her beauty like Torrie and Stacy did for years. But Trish is a wrestling fan and worked very hard in her six and a half year career to become the most over heel in WWE in 2004, a very good worker who could find a way to make people of vastly different talents look decent (she has a Heat match in 04 with Nidia that demonstrates this very well and actually shows far more smarts than Ric Flair in understanding how much to give people lower on the totem pole) and an excellent promo (her heel stuff against Jericho and Lita) Fans cared more about women's wrestling during her runs (and I credit Lita with a lot of this too) than at any point since maybe Wendy Richter for a very brief time and any point thereafter certainly. No she's not a Japanese women's style worker by any means but as an overall talent she belongs in. Also she came in when the sort of stuff the NXT women are doing was NOT what WWE wanted from its women at all. I'm not saying she could or could not have adapted but was not in an era where judging that makes sense. She's in my bottom 10 for sure

I did not know that

This was actually the first WCW PPV I ever ordered. My closest wrestling pal and I were so curious to see what the heck this thing was going to be like that our 16 year old selves coughed up the cash. I don't there's ANY way to book 2 babyfaces to defeat 8 heels in a match that makes any sense at all. I guess if you had to have Hogan come out and high five Z-Gangsta, revealing they are cool now and don't care about helping Flair and co, have Luger do the same, have Meng and Barbarian leave out of apathy and then have the faces win 3 on 2. Realistically what I would do is have Savage and Flair fight to the back and have 7 heels absolutely destroy Hogan for an effortless win. Then that's the last of Hogan you see until he turns heel. When he joins the NWO he mentions this and nobody in WCW coming to save him and how he learned then what they really think of him. But that would be one heck of a downer PPV ending.

Yes that Trish. She's miles ahead of Tom Zenk as a talent and one of my sentimental favorites.

You are correct to say Sid was in the wrong as well but that doesn't make what Hogan did right. It's a microcosm of Vince's attitude era explanation of his company well we're not WORSE than the worst things on TV. Fine what are you better than? Hogan is supposed to be a hero he should be able to brush off a little bit of trash talk especially when the only result of his temper tantrum is the guy who cost him the title in the first place now getting it. So he's a whiner and an idiot in kayfabe.

That's exactly why they did it. The viewers don't matter to them in the slightest, they believe they will get enough numbers to stay alive regardless of what they put on TV. And since Charlotte is a HHH pick we are seeing that things in that regard will be little different in that regard when he takes over.

Hogan was the face because he was Hogan. In Vince's world, it doesn't matter what your actions are, how much of a patronizing overbearing whiny sore loser you are if you wrap yourself in a flag and SAY you're the top good guy then you are. Welcome to Reagan's America. Hogan is THE epitome of the right's values at that time. He's the Teflon champ. Undertaker's initial sort of heel turn right before and after Summerslam 98 makes perfect sense. He'd never wanted to feud with Kane, he wanted them to work together as brothers and he has absolutely no reason to like or trust Austin at all. Betraying Kane two months later to reunite with Paul Bearer, a traitor who's not worth anything and has spent 2 years trying to ruin your life makes no sense however. Trish's heel turn in 2004 made sense but allying with Christian, one of the very guys behind the thing that broke her heart made no sense. She also implied that him beating her up in a match once turned her on in her initial heel promo, something as incredibly tasteless as anything Vince Russo ever came up with.

The heck? If this keeps up I'm nominating Trish as my sentimental pick. But to Zenk I don't see how anyone that the best thing I can say about them is they were serviceable in their role makes a top 100 list.

I doubt they'd seriously do that because of just Stampede. I have a feeling this was a begrudging release anyway and certainly not what Vince wants his network to be.

hahahahaha. It could be a running gag. Becky Lynch wrestles twice a night on every show for months and goes in search of other nice women.

Philly, Baltimore, Ohio, Florida and Georgia certainly would be easier to travel to than Mid South and Texas. I stand corrected.

I had dreams of a new podcast with our very own Jerry Von Kramer and Vince Russo doing current events. There goes that dream down the drain.

I think though some things in the booking would also have had to change. By very late 88 it's clear even those areas were burned out by Dusty and the Horsemen and the Dusty Finish. Flair-Steamboat and Flair-Funk didn't do the kind of numbers that were needed for Crockett to keep going. I think Flair might be right that there's enough territory in the Carolinas, Virginia AND Florida, Texas and the Mid South/UWF region to keep going. But that's still a lot of travel and still would have required some financial discipline on the part of Dusty and Crockett. And probably would have required something to shake up the main event scene such as Luger winning the title at GAB 88 and seeing if that helps draw a house. The basic idea I think has a point and is by no means in the top 50 absurd Ric Flair claims, but at the same time they could not have just repeated everything in 86-87 forever. Don't think Vince brought in guaranteed downsides for years later Parv. Maybe Hogan had one, but given his merch money, did he need one?

Well Charlotte is now fully fledged heel and that's an improvement. But much like the world title, it's quite a long time since the company had a babyface champion in the division. They now need to scramble to find a top face in the division but given this company's recent track record at creating babyfaces, good luck to that. Bayley is of course the solution and taps into a whole new segment of the population to market but I have zero faith Vince and Dunn will let her be her and book her as the star the division needs since she isn't Vince's fantasy of a sex symbol. There's also turning Sasha into a Rock esque character,which has been suggested above and would work well but again too complex for these nitwits. There's trying to turn Nikki face I guess, given the Bellas do get pops and going the Demolition route (nothing really changes about her character, she's just now doing everything to the people we don't like so it's cool) Double turning Paige with Charlotte seems to me what they are going for and is a likely to fail idea IMO.

I get that Jerry. Vince did that for me at the time so he worked but David fails totally. Instead I am just muting my TV when he starts his get him Dusty routine.

Resubscribed today and watched the first Stampede and Global shows they put up. Stampede struck me as hard to get through but wow what amazing HD quality. Global was okay but Ronnie Gossett was just unbearable on commentary.

Color me not a fan. He makes Hogan era Vince seem unbiased and reasonable. He reminds me of the younger kid who always wants to play with you and just ends up annoying you most days.

I think the whole idea was he turned on the NWO and was repenting for misdeeds and the Steiners needed a mouthpiece. Think it would have been better to include the Giant and make a small stable out of it myself.

No I don't. I think that needed a fresh face to WWF fans. Vader could have played it though then much better than he did years later.

he says he was totally okay with it and I have never heard anyone argue the point.

Didn't see it as it happened but I am not sure Johnny. From what I've seen Sarge could have handled things without a mouthpiece but that was not typical of the era. So of the choices, Wiz makes the most sense.

CS - To what you said earlier about my not pointing out the Gordy/Williams loss to Dustin/Windham. I was not covering up it was simply something I had forgotten. I thought Windham/Rhodes beat a surrogate team not the MVC. Also what funkdoc said