Jimmy Redman

It's simple: She's drop dead gorgeous, but also comes across as drop dead dumb. The latter doesn't appeal to me. Same as KawadaSmiles not finding Finn Balor handsome because he's bland in the ring. Can you please hop off the fence and tell us your feelings on Torrie already?

Look guys, what we really need to get to the bottom of is what C.S. thinks about Torrie Wilson.

This is me but in reverse about the women.

I've been watching years worth of nothing but short matches, mostly

What moral would that be regarding exactly.

This is actually super helpful for me because there's a handful of women's matches on Heat I haven't been able to find online. I can plug the gaps.

I think the difference between then and now is the structure. To reiterate the point, back in the day there was a LOT less television exposure, and a lot more opportunities to move to another territory and a fresh audience. That was how they "changed" even if they remained consistent characters. Nowadays changing character, or between heel/face, or some sort of storyline-based development has to replace that "leave the territory" move to freshen up. Because these guys are going to be on TV like twice a week every week for years and years on end. That's how someone like Chris Jericho, for example, has managed to stay fresh, and relevant, and in demand over such a long period of time. It's like he's creating his own little mini-territory runs by doing something different each time. And on the other hand, someone like Randy Orton, who has been around a few less years than him and is ostensibly a bigger star, has felt completely stale as a character for a long time now and there's no interest in anything he does. Because there's no break, he's just the same guy, indefinitely. And at some point, you just don't need to see it again. It's not necessarily that it always has to be as drastic as Jericho. But with so much TV these days and such lazy writing for the most part, you feel like you're watching a show where nothing actually happens. Nothing means anything. You could tune in to WWE in any given month of the year, and see the same guys having the same matches with each other, with no sense that their careers have progressed or regressed or moved in any direction. It's so static. And it's been true for Roman for three years. Whatever the nuts and bolts of his win-loss record actually are, it FEELS like he always wins because he inevitably gets put back in the title picture or main event on a regular basis (and particularly when Mania rolls around) and it feels like there's no real rhyme or reason why beyond "we're going back to Roman." I mean, Roman was trading wins with Miz in the IC Title division in January, had no momentum in kayfabe, and then suddenly, he wins the Elim Chamber and he's in the main event of Wrestlemania? People claimed this was a three year story but it wasn't. It was ten months of a bunch of stuff that meant nothing, and then "hey it's Mania season we need to put Roman in the main event." Like it is every year since 2015. And the constant coronation attempts with Roman just reinforce the fact that nothing that happens the rest of the year on TV actually means anything going forward. It happens one month, they do a rematch next month, then they move to the next program, rinse, repeat. Has anything that happened to Roman on TV since WM31 actually affected his character in any way? Has anything happened to Brock to affect him? Aren't they the exact same people they were 3 years ago? You need development and change or things just get so stale.

Yep.

are they actually doing that show then? if so i wonder how high the 'attendance' will be, but it will be ok Bix will find the real attendance for us in 30 years time. Yeah confirmed, it's the week after the Grand Final in October. MCG holds 100,000 for sport. They won't get that many, but I'd say shoot for 60-70 maybe. For reference, Rousey vs Holm drew 56k.

To be honest I just can't wait until WWE does the big MCG show in October and they pander to our government by airing Propaganda videos about their "progressive" asylum seeker policy and banning people from the country who don't adhere to our culture, i.e. getting pissed and singing "Horses".

Ok I need to read a book about Torrie Wilson Master Spy.

I just feel like, out of this entire shitshow, if Finn is the one you're really mad at in this situation...it feels like misdirected anger.

That's fair. I mean back to Finn, I don't know what the laws are exactly in KSA or how they're enforced, but I know I wouldn't want him to do something that would potentially have got him in trouble over there, legally or otherwise. And again I think his motives are irrelevant because if he'd turned up to Gorilla in rainbow gear he would 100% have not been let through the curtain. I don't know what you expect him to have done differently in this situation. From my perspective, for what it's worth, I don't question his heroism or his commitment to the issue.

It reminded me of way back in NXT where Titus ate shit on the obstacle course. He's such a Gumbi. Not every wrestler made himself a symbol. The Moolah stuff was comparable. What really rankled wasnt necessarily the company lionizing her as much as them having all of the current talent, who tend to stand for something very much the opposite, do it. But again, do you blame the girls for that, or do you blame the company for making them do it? Like, honestly I think regardless of what those individual women know or think about Moolah, those interviews are happening either way. They don't get to have opinions when they go against WWE. Same deal here. Any of those guys from Sami on down can have their own thoughts about Saudi Arabia and the political issues, and I'm sure they do. None of those opinions are ever going to make it to air or in public on the record. We get propaganda videos. We get company line.

I don't blame Finn, Whether he wanted to or not it's not like the company would have ever OKed him wearing it. You start on that path and you can start blaming every single wrestler on the roster for working the show at all. And I don't think you can.

Now look, I admit I'm getting a certain amount of schadenfreude out of Roman jobbing to Brock lately. It's just so ridiculous after what we've had to sit through the last few years. If I'm being completely serious, I'm fairly neutral on Roman. I think he's a very good wrestler and has a shit tonne of great matches on a regular basis, but I also have no personal interest in him and have found the last four years of booking around him to be tedious. The "evil has won!" "well done smarks you suck!" "If you still boo Roman you're an..." kind of histrionics I've seen on Twitter and such from the pro-Roman brigade lately has been hilarious. Like, my dudes...Roman is not The Guy. Maybe he could have been The Guy at one point, at certain points, but they have whiffed at every turn and the people have not bought it and he's not The Guy. And after now FOUR YEARS of attempt after attempt to make him into The Guy (or not, depending on your #PoliticalHit leanings) they have still not succeeded in making him The Guy. No matter who's fault this is (and I think the short answer to that is that it's a little of everyone's fault: Vince, writing, Roman, fans) that's the reality. That doesn't mean he sucks, doesn't mean he's not a super great wrestler and has a bunch of great matches every week. Sure. And that doesn't mean he's not over and they don't have something interesting with all the booing and hatred he gets. Sure. But that doesn't make him The Guy. All the great matches in the world don't make you The Guy. We know this about the wrestling business, we've seen it over and over and I think we're all a bit smarter than "Why do you keep booing Roman when he has such great matches?" Which seems to be the primary sentiment I see from his Twitter chorus. The people do not buy Roman as The Guy. The company has persisted and tried to force it (and I get from their point of view "well it worked with Cena") and they still haven't bought it. At some point they're going to have to accept that they're just not going to buy it, and try something else. Who knows, maybe if they do, people can have some breathing room and forget about the Roman push for a while, and find it in them to look at him with new eyes. But it's impossible when they're constantly being choked by Roman when they've said over and over they don't want him. Let them miss him a little. Not that he has to go away or become the Impact World Champion per se, but just stop putting him in these positions.

I was up all night watching 4hrs and 45 mins of this heck and then passed out and missed the finish. Still had a better night than Roman.

OOH GOD REY VS AJ HNNNNNNNN

Fuck I just realised if Rey is back we can get a legit Bryan vs Rey fuck take all my money.

He'll go about 35 mins and be the first half Iron man. Bryan, I mean.

I AM DEAD AT THIS PILE OF TRASH. Shitty ass match. ROMAN HIT THE FLOOR FIRST FOR FUCKSAKE. Roman jobs again bahahahahabahahahahaha. Dead.

To be fair, this bullshit comes off better in front of a crowd that is buying it. But it's still bullshit. I know it's a cage match but Roman trying to escape is really bothering me. Makes no sense.

I have to be up in 2 hrs anyway so I can't tap. Might have to pull a Mania and nap during Roman though.

Same. I'm starting to drop. Me from two weeks ago is so happy that RUSEV DAY was over in Jeddah.

Shinsuke's heel remix is such a ridiculous banger I can't handle it.