C.S.

Prediction: Goldberg wins title, Big E wins Rumble, Roman costs Bryan in RR match to set up their feud, Big E goes to Raw to reunite with New Day and face Goldberg.

Did the show cut off for anyone else to some shit with Rob Riggle? And WTF was Oldberg babbling about, saying Drew has no respect for the Legends? Did I miss a segment? Drew's current character has always been about respect.

Is it just me or are the Legends - many of them elderly - seated together way too close for comfort during a worldwide pandemic?

Imagine being a lapsed viewer tuning into Raw for the first time in years and seeing Randy Orton vs. Jeff Hardy.

Why the hell is Mark Henry riding a mini-scooter?! Who writes this shit???

Riddle vs. Lashley is surprisingly good so far. Very hard-hitting and intense.

Of course Hulk is interacting with the whitest person on the roster, Sheamus.

I assume your ex wasn't a child. "Legal" or not, it's gross. And, you know, she says it's rape. Don't think your ex is saying that either. Just because Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby were worse than other celebrities, that doesn't mean the others didn't commit crimes too. Same with Joey Ryan vs. Marty Scurll and others. Not that it makes any difference: He'll be in AEW by the end of the month anyway.

After a drunken bar hook-up. Can't legally consent when you're drunk.

Pretty sure he admitted it, but someone else can dig up those tweets or interviews.

I hate to agree with Vince Russo's "there's too much wrestling" - but there's no reason New Day vs. Miz and Morrison has to be long enough to be interrupted by a commercial break.

ROH cut ties with the rapist Marty Scurll. Savage tweet:

I know this Legends show will be hot dogshit with the same old geriatrics they always trot out, and yet I'll watch it anyway... Let's see if they can actually do something interesting...brother. Nah!

TBH, @El-P, I laughed at your Douglas-like NWA post because I was making similar posts myself for years. (BTW, I also agree with you about Shane Douglas. Not enough people appreciate how great he was!) The Adam Pearce, Colt Cabana, etc. era was probably fun for those fans, but it wasn't the real NWA IMO and wasn't at all remotely relevant, either to those three letters or the wrestling landscape as a whole. But with NWA Powerrr, I really felt they were onto something. It was definitely the most fresh, interesting, and relevant the NWA name has been in decades. But bad hiring practices (Jim Cornette, Dave Lagana) and the pandemic fucked them sideways. Will they ever recover? The fact that I haven't bothered to watch Shockwave - and neither has anyone else, apparently - can't be a good sign. Come to think of it, I completely skipped "Season 2" of Powerrr as well. But maybe that's for the best, as 99% of that roster is gone now anyway. If there's ever a "Season 3" of Powerrr, then I will probably jump back in. You have a good point about Thunder Rosa. I'm surprised she's actually still in the NWA. Maybe Billy threw the big bucks her way to stay? Who knows... With that said, I do think we'll eventually see Aldis on Dynamite, in another AEW-NWA crossover. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Maybe the TNA stuff put anything else with the NWA on the backburner for now?

Shane Douglas, is that you? I realize the pandemic wreaked havoc on the NWA, but Powerrr was a hell of a lot of fun before that and can hopefully be again. Your post basically makes my point for me in a roundabout way: Aldis is currently carrying them right now and keeping them propped up. Without him, it really is R.I.P.

Yeah, there's definitely a bit of cosplay there. With that said, I found it delightful when he attempted a Southern American accent in that one promo. (It thought it might've been from the commercial for the upcoming RetroMania video game, but I just looked it again and it wasn't that.)

What's wrong with Aldis? Zicky Dice seems like a total clown, at least in this interview, whereas Aldis represents the NWA and title with respect and class. He's a great champion and representative for the organization. As for Starks, his potential is obvious, but I think he's still green and a few years away from really hitting his "prime," so to speak. He has the potential to be truly great in the future. It's a shame the NWA didn't work out for him, because a couple more years of seasoning there would have really helped him.

I mean, this is a pretty flimsy argument. I could easily say, well, Bryan was trained by Shawn Michaels, so he instantly had a spotlight on him and was able to parlay that into opportunities other struggling indie wrestlers could never fathom. See how silly that sounds? Except, it's kinda true. Shawn did use his influence to get his guys spots. Lance Cade, as a bigger guy, had the most immediate success and got to WWE first. Brian Kendrick made it there eventually. We all know about Bryan. (I feel like I'm forgetting someone.) Of course, Bryan's incredible work also became his calling card - I was hearing about "The American Dragon" a full decade or more before he got to the WWE, and even before he got to ROH - and he deserves full credit for that. But does he? I would argue, very strongly, that "the indie influence" is largely overblown during Bryan's run. If we're talking Trips and NXT now, yes, you have a point. But Bryan's WWE rise was a few years before that. Do you think Vince ever watched an indie match in his life? Please! It all goes back to Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, not ROH. Without Bret and HBK showing Vince that "smaller" wrestlers could be credible champions, there's no Bryan. So, what it boils down to is that Daniel Bryan has Bret Hart and his own trainer Shawn Michaels to (indirectly) thank for his WWE success.

Dunne is a future main eventer. Roddy, well, is not. In the big picture (which I realize isn't always something WWE does well), a Dunne win makes sense. Plus, The Undisputed Era defeated Team McAfee at WarGames, so this result could be looked at as the usual 50-50 booking. Either way, I suspect we've all given it a lot more thought than anyone in NXT has.

There are now shitheads creating fake Twitter profiles of Brodie Jr. and Amanda. I hate people!

Ditto about my feelings toward Bryan, who I consider the best wrestler of his generation, but Bret is an all-timer for me. I also agree that Bret > Shawn in just about every metric.

To me, this is the epitome of Bryan vs. Roman - at least so far. Definitely a rivalry, not a feud, as you define it. WrestleMania can and probably will change that though, assuming that's the match. I would argue that Bret vs. Shawn was definitely much more of a feud than Bryan-Reigns has been, at least so far. I'm not saying the Bryan-Wyatt matches were shit or anything - of course not - but I think you are severely underrating the Bret-Diesel matches, which I remember being fun and smartly constructed. I assume that has to do with a dislike of Diesel more than anything to do with Bret, but Nash actually had on his working boots in his WWE run and didn't really became Big Lazy until WCW. WWE is always going to revert back to a big man monster formula as long as Vince is alive. Any deviations from that - even this current long one - is never anything more than an aberration. However, Bret and Shawn absolutely did re-educate fans into appreciating their style vs. the Hogan/Warrior style. Saying there were extenuating circumstances (such as the steroid trial, which I also pointed out) doesn't change that fact, especially since there were also extenuating circumstances leading to Bryan's push (the fans completely and brutally turning on Batista's Royal Rumble win and a stale Batista-Orton main event). There will always be extenuating circumstances whenever Vince breaks out of his big man bubble. I guarantee you, if there weren't two brands, Roman (who is a "big man" compared to the rest of the current roster) would be the only champ, and AJ, Owens, etc. would not have had sustained runs. If Omos (AJ's bodyguard) is magically a decent worker, he'll be pushed to the moon. Plus, Bryan came in a time where fans were more "educated" about working styles, which also helped him, AJ, etc. That began in the WWF with Bret and Shawn. Every wrestler you named owes their WWE careers to Bret and Shawn. Even though I would rank Hart Foundation higher than you, I can't disagree about the quality of those other teams. I do think Strike Force and The Brainbusters had a lot less longevity though (in the WWF). LOD was pretty much over-the-hill by the time they arrived, and their run basically began when the Hart Foundation's was ending (there is a bit of overlap, and the two had a match on - I believe - Coliseum Video that was a total Bret carry-job because Hawk was high). No apology necessary. I forgot about the feud too, so I guess you can call me ignorant.

I'll respond to @MoS tomorrow because there's a lot to unpack there, including a new thread to read (and I had no idea threads could be embedded in posts), but I just wanted to jump in and say I cannot believe I forgot to mention this epic feud in one of my prior posts. It really is an all-time classic that had everything - great wrestling, great sports-entertaining, you name it.

Did Untold ditch the voice-only approach, or am I thinking of a different Network show?

Is it just me does Zicky Dice sound like a delusional a-hole here? https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/zicky-dice-discusses-falling-out-nwa-heat-nick-aldis I mean, I certainly don't think Corgan and the not-so-dearly-departed Lagana are necessarily above being carnies, but Dice comes across as a total head case and ego trip in this interview, not only referring to himself in the third person, but doing so with his full wrestling nickname on top of that. Really?! Get a grip, man...