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  1. garretta
    Tremendous humble promo from the new WWF champion. Promos like this were a lost art then just as they are now, and this one was a treat to hear. I especially liked Bret thanking Flair for getting into the ring with him; I've heard of guys putting over the former champion they've just beaten, but I can't think of one who thanked the former champion for the opportunity to wrestle him. They really wanted to present Bret as something different here, almost a Backlund for the nineties. Somehow Bret thanking God seemed more heartfelt than Hogan's plaudits for "The Big Man Upstairs". Maybe it's because Bret comes across as more genuinely humble than Hogan was, even before he became immortal. The fan holding up the Intercontinental belt replica as a show of support for Bret was very cute. Someone get him a World belt replica pronto! Why was Okerlund showing Bret where to stand all of a sudden? You'd think they'd never conducted a platform interview before, either of them. Just like at SummerSlam after Davey Boy gets the pin, Vince chooses to lay out and let the moment speak for itself. Wise choice on both counts, Vince.
  2. garretta
    Wow, this segment was goofy. It's tough to tell which of the promos was wackier. I don't think Flair was smiling and giggling in a happy sense; I think he was trying to come off as unhinged and being driven to the breaking point by losing the title. Speaking of which, Bret's win got a few seconds of lip service at the beginning of each promo, but the vast majority of these were devoted to hyping the Survivor Series and the big tag match that, of course, happened quite a bit differently than anyone thought it would. I guess I can understand that, but I would have loved to have heard something from Flair about wanting the belt back, or even from Hall about wanting to take it. But I guess it's easy come, easy go as far as Flair goes. Why worry about the World title when you can obsess about a couple of shades-wearing freaks from (seemingly) another planet? As for the Maniacs, just like with the Megapowers, Warrior and Savage each bring out the worst in each other on the mic. What's worse is that each is starting to sound like the other, although Savage has rivaled Warrior in the gobbledygook department more than once over the years. Warrior trying to sound like a hipster, on the other hand, is just tragic. And was I the only one who expected someone to start singing the Hallelujah Chorus when these two nuts ranted about their bond lasting forever and ever, alleluia, alleluia......oh, sorry, lost my head there for a minute, just like them! I don't know about (in essence) suspending Randy from wrestling right after this run being the right move on Vince's part, but what else is there to do if you can't think of anyone else for him to feud with? Maybe they should have had him feud with Lawler instead of Bret, since he was a former King, but Bret-Lawler was their most intense feud in years, so it's tough to second-guess that decision. At least he'd been on commentary before and wasn't too bad at it once he settled into the role.
  3. garretta
    I think this was when George Foreman was the hottest thing in boxing. I'm not sure if he'd won the heavyweight championship of the world just yet, but if he hadn't, he would soon. Vince probably thought a similar storyline would make money, and everyone else further back than Bobby was too old to believably return. As for why the presentation feels so out of place, this was probably what Vince could get Bobby to agree to. I know enough about Bobby to know that if he couldn't have come back the way he wanted to, he wouldn't have come back at all. He might have thought that his babyface character could come back as is and fit right in eight years later. Either that or he saw what Vince was promoting these days and thought a plain wrestler would be a nice change of pace. One thing's for sure: Mr. Backlund wasn't even a glimmer in Vince's eye yet, or Bobby's for that matter.
  4. garretta
    Reed was another one that I didn't know worked Memphis, Thanks for the info. But if Reed was a heel when he beat JYD (as I assume he was), then Todd was a face when he beat Reed. So how did Todd end up a heel on TV?
  5. garretta
    I thought it was something like that. Thanks, AJ!
  6. garretta
    I never knew that Lee had actually been in the business before. Thanks, AJ!
  7. garretta
    Thanks for the info, AJ!
  8. garretta
    Was he already doing Double J that soon? I don't remember him doing anything else for Vince before the Attitude Era.
  9. garretta
    Interesting that the only guys they showed Bobby in the ring against were a jobber and Pat Patterson, who was still working in the office. They couldn't have used clips of him against someone who'd died and thus couldn't sign with the competition, like Adrian Adonis, or someone still in good standing but retired, like Sarge? After a vignette like this, I would have thought that Bobby was just coming back for a brief nostalgia run. Who knew of the twisted greatness which lay ahead? The Hall interview was almost too short, but I liked the intensity. He's consistently nailed the character from day one, which is tough to do with the more cartoonish characters the WWF specializes in at this time. When he talked about Randy losing his machismo I immediately thought that it was a shame that Liz had left, because I think Hall talking about how Randy had lost his belt, his machismo, and would now lose his woman to Razor Ramon would have been great stuff. Maybe it's just me, but "El Jefe" (The Chief) is a much better nickname than "The Bad Guy".
  10. garretta
    I'm not sure how you define dead; sure, they're not rioting or anything, but they're not exactly witting on their hands either, at least from what I could tell. It's almost like some of you are projecting your own boredom onto the crowd. That said, they're running out of ways to keep the feud fresh. The masked man didn't really help that much, and neither did the beatdown afterward. The one fresh match they've got is Eddie and Doug against the Dogs straight up, but it doesn't seem like they're willing to do that at the moment. Lawler's popularity will keep the feud hot up to a point, but I have to believe that the fans are ready for the King to regain his crown (the Unified title) at some point in the near future. By the way, was this the same Mike Miller who was a star in Portland for years? I loved the promo before this. Dave's story about the Shrine Clowns bribing an umpire during a softball game was hilarious, and I got a kick out of the pizza guy bribing Jeff and Dundee with pizza to play on Lawler's team. Even Dundee forgetting where he was appearing was great stuff..
  11. garretta
    I like Eddie fighting the Dogs as much as anyone, but after Lawler and Jeff made Eric Embry jump through hoops to prove how trustworthy he was, they should have at least looked at Eddie a little sideways. Maybe they figured that not even Eddie would turn on them after they promised to help him avenge Doug's injury, but it wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility for Eddie and Lee to be working together to get rid of Lawler and Jeff and for Doug's injury to be a ruse. I'll bet a lot of savvy fans were thinking along those lines at the time, which makes it even more of a surprise that they apparently went ahead with a Gilberts-Moondogs feud. I'm guessing that Todd is now the Unified champion, because I can't think of another reason why he'd be trash talking Lawler at this point. I loved Lawler spraying the fire extinguisher in his direction; unfortunately, Todd had already taken off his suit. I didn't mention this in the last thread, but Eddie's promo after making the first save for Lawler and Jeff was absolutely tremendous, just what you'd expect from an avenging brother. He didn't ignore his past with Lawler and Jeff, but he certainly seems to have put it behind him in order to enlist their help. This has nothing to do with the segment we're discussing, but Eddie mentioned in a promo not too long ago that Sgt. Slaughter had come to Memphis to challenge him for the Unified title. Is this true? If it is, I wish a match or promo from Sarge would have made the set just to see how he was received in Memphis.
  12. garretta
    Doug looks like he took quite a beating, but still managed to get the winning fall. With him out of action and the sides still uneven, Lawler and Jeff need someone else on their side. Gee, I wonder who'll step up. I heard somewhere that Doug has a brother who wrestles on occasion.......... JYD must have left the territory by now. When did he show up next and where? What belt was Champion carrying? I know they were trying to get him over as the next great heel, but an interview like this wasn't the time for him to do his schtick. Unless they were planning on him attacking Lawler or Jeff (which they clearly weren't), he should have stayed behind the desk with the camera completely ignoring him and focusing on Lawler. His bored mannerisms were needlessly distracting.
  13. garretta
    No, Eagle. No, it wasn't. They might as well have had Corey announce before the bout, "No matter what Lawler and Jarrett do, they will not win the tag team titles tonight!" Even if they're trying to turn Neighbors heel, this wasn't the place to start that angle. I'd have much rather had Lee hang on to Jeff's foot and get a sneaky pin for the Dogs than make hash out of a stipulation like that. Not only that, Lawler piledriving Neighbors a second time made him seem like the one who was turning heel. Even seeing Lawler piledrive Lee, which he's had coming for months, doesn't make this one any more palatable. Aren't there any other teams (besides the Bushwhackers) that they can bring in to face the Dogs? I realize that they want Eddie Gilbert to finally have a decent reign as Unified champion, so they want to keep Lawler out of that mix for a while, but isn't there something else he can do? Doesn't Dundee need help with Rich and Landell, or has that feud been forgotten already?
  14. garretta
    This was a complete fiasco. I can understand Lawler wanting to get clear of the tag titles once and for all, but not this way. Dundee, his go-to tag team partner for so many years, cares enough about him to save him from the Dogs after the match, but not enough to demand to take Jeff's place beforehand and make it happen? Not even close. I can understand guys like Dr. Tom not really wanting to get involved, but Bill, who's been a good friend to both Lawler and Jeff so often over the years, is a different matter. The Dogs could have still beaten either one of them with the same bone shot they gave Lawler by himself, and maybe Bill going after them would have freshened things up a bit and still allowed Lawler to go back to the singles ranks where he belongs. At least it would have been something different for a while. As it stands now, what could possibly be left for this feud? I'm not sure I want to know the answer, quite frankly. One good thing came pit of this: Maybe now we won't have to hear Corey whine about Lee quite so much. Seriously, did they have a problem before Lee got into the business? Even JR's potshots at Heyman aren't as grating and obnoxious.
  15. garretta
    I notice that JYD had a belt with him here. What title could he possibly have held this late in his career? Who are the Blackhearts, and what is this about breaking Duggan's ribs three years ago, which would have been 1989? Duggan's feuds in '89 were with Haku and Savage, both over the WWF king's crown. I'm guessing that this was a story concocted by the USWA to give Duggan a kayfabe reason to come in, but why did they think they could get away with that unless nobody in Memphis ever watched the WWF? I don't know why they didn't ask the WWF to do a more specific video with Duggan like they did with Jimmy Hart. This was a standard, generic Duggan promo that you'd see in the non-local editions of the Events Center that would air on All American or Prime Time. I agree that Duggan and Memphis were a natural fit, just like Duggan and Mid-South. But with Lawler and Dundee so popular (even when Bill was a heel), and Dutch leading the next wave not far behind, what would there have been for him to do on a long-term basis? (I'm talking about his mid-eighties prime, not '92.)
  16. garretta
    They had to get the belts off of Lawler and Jeff somehow, so there was due to be at least one last major confrontation between the two teams. What I don't understand is how beating Lawler and JYD gets the Dogs a title shot. Where was Jeff? Was he out injured or something? I notice in the clip that Grandpa Eddie says that the Dogs will have to wait for the match because Jeff isn't at the studio yet; I don't like where that could be leading. Watch out, King! Richard Lee turns in his best performance in quite a while, and his chemistry with Dave is amazing. The match itself isn't much at all, but hearing Lee almost bust a gut with happiness over outsmarting Lawler and defend the Dogs' blatant rulebreaking at every turn is worth the time. Hopefully we see more of this Lee in the future. From facepainted freak to the Human Suplex Machine, Taz came a long way in a hurry, and thank God for that!
  17. garretta
    This had to be what it was like in the Omni in Atlanta or the Reunion Arena in Dallas or the Checkerdome in St. Louis when the big NWA World title matches came to town in the territorial days. What an atmosphere, as the Japanese fans really wanted to see one of their own as champion and got their wish. It looked like at least one fan was crying right along with Chono in the postmatch, and I loved how all the natives who were in the ring for the group photo threw Chono into the air in celebration. For whatever reason, none of the Americans in the tournament were there; did they have dates back home to fulfill? I'm not sure if I'd call this Rude's finest performance of the year or not. I kind of liked Beach Blast, where he not only worked his tail off, but did so while selling badly bruised or broken ribs. Here, the legwork done by each man was forgotten rather quickly, but given the finish they had in mind and how spectacular it was I can forgive them for that. I liked the fact that the STF didn't finish Rude, and that Chono didn't have to resort to a small package or rollup either. One finisher didn't work, so he thought of another equally devastating one that did. That's what a World champion is supposed to do. Even while this match slowed in spots (and it had to, considering that they were going to go almost a half-hour), there was never any dead time. They were fighting to get out of predicaments, trying to climb the ropes to do damage, or at the vary least selling exhaustion. I'm not sure if the fans understood Rude's prematch spiel or not (a lot of them probably did, considering that English is one of the most popular foreign languages in Japan), but there was something in the way he presented himself that made them hate his guts, and I think that elevated the match a couple of levels. Not only did the crowd want to see Chono win the title, they wanted to see him kick the foreigner's ass all the way back to the United States. I can't believe that Watts saw this match live, knew what Chono could do when he was allowed to, and still insisted on him toning his act down for Halloween Havoc. I'm not sure if his match made the set or not, but if it did I want to see it so I can get a glimpse of just how dumbed down he was for the American audience. Given how Liger was portrayed as a cowardly Jap foreign menace instead of one of the world's most dynamic aerial wrestlers, I don't hold out much hope that Chono was portrayed any better. It says something terrible about the WCW mindset that since Muta left the promotion on a full-time basis early in 1990, the only two Japanese wrestlers to be portrayed in a thoroughly respectful manner who showed up more than once were two transplanted Americans (Doc and Bamm Bamm). This match definitely makes my top five for the year so far. It's a shame that it seems to be all downhill for both of these guys from here; they had so many more great matches to give us if they'd been a hundred percent. Who was that speaking during the postmatch? It didn't look like Inoki or anyone else I might recognize.
  18. garretta
    This was a Vale squash. Takahashi looked seriously outclassed. I don't recall a gaijin being pushed as unstoppable the way Vale seems to be here (except for the one loss against Fujiwara). I would think they're building toward Vale-Fujiwara III before too long. I didn't see Fujiwara, but I agree that anything that gets him to mark out is something else again. Of course, maybe he's thinking of the money he'll make from a third match with Vale.
  19. garretta
    This one took a while to get going; in fact, if it had been a one-fall match I would have called it a dud. Thankfully, it wasn't, and things picked up in a hurry over the next two falls, with the third fall being a classic on its own terms. Casas' arrogance cost him several times, as he had Dandy in prime pinning position but refused to hook the leg, allowing Dandy to escape at the last second and eventually score the deciding fall. I wouldn't say Casas was dirty, but the low blow in the second fall wasn't his only less-than-clean tactic. He engaged Dandy in several slapping contests and stretched his mouth at least once. He was more of the aggressor overall than Dandy, but couldn't make it pay off for himself in the end. I liked Dandy's spinning toehold into a bridge which ended the second fall. I've probably seen it before in other lucha bouts, but I can't remember for sure. The referee was unusually strict here, not allowing even the slightest hint of rulebreaking as long as he could see it. Fortunately, Casas is a good enough worker that such limitations didn't make it impossible for him to put on a good match. More American heels should learn that lesson. Of course, it would help if American referees enforced the rules more strictly as well. The video quality was so bad that a good part of the action took place in the middle of the tracking lines. Fortunately, the match was simple enough that I could tell what was going on anyway.
  20. garretta
    I liked the postmatch better than the match itself, actually. Even after reading about the setup for this, it still doesn't makes sense. Toyota's mad because Yamada had to wrestle with someone else in the joshi equivalent of Battlebowl, and eventually gets so mad that she wants to shave her own partner bald? I'm blanking on the specifics here a bit, I guess, but I don't think even knowing more about it would do much good. That's why I like good old American bullshit better than 95% of anything out of a foreign country, even if the actual wrestling may be better overseas. Anyway, what a performance by Yamada. She gave literally everything she had in this match after getting the hell kicked out of her by Aja and Bull earlier, not to mention fighting with Hokuto back to the locker room. She knew she had limited energy, so she tried to finish this as quickly as she could, but in the end Toyota was just too fresh for her. I liked the fact that this was a clean match, although hair matches are really supposed to settle blood feuds; I'm assuming that they were still partners, and unless you're nuts like Aja and Bull, it really makes no sense to beat the hell out of someone you're going to have to trust again before too long. I think part of what bothered Toyota (or at least what should have bothered her) was that Yamada had already wrestled one tough match that day and wasn't at her physical peak. In essence, she (Toyota) had taken advantage of someone who'd already been softened up by Aja, Bull, and Hokuto. She may have wanted to win the match to prove her point, but she wasn't crazy about Yamada losing her hair, and she definitely hated it happening under these particular circumstances. Yamada took it like a trooper, though, never complaining once (although I think I saw her tear up at one point, which is certainly understandable). It was nice to see the two of them embrace and forgive each other, and I liked seeing Toyota smile a little as she accepted her trophy and showed it to the fans. She's still champion, she's still got her best friend and tag team partner, and neither one of them was hurt seriously in this whole mess. Life might not be perfect for her right now, but it could have been a whole lot worse. I thought the crying and trying to cut her own hair instead was a bit over the top on Toyota's part, but she'd just had a tough match against her best friend and tag team partner (which was her own dumb fault in the first place), so I can forgive her for it. What really seemed like overkill was having all of those people holding Toyota back. Two or three should have been enough, even given her hysteria at the time.
  21. garretta
    If you'd told me I could enjoy a match where the major hold is an armbar an hour ago, I would have laughed at you. But such is the case. This match was all about the third fall to me, and Atlantis' struggle to stay in the match against an opponent who was bound and determined to tear his arm off. The way Charles and Atlantis worked the armbar was a thing of beauty, as Charles struggled to get additional leverage while Atlantis struggled to reach the ropes and force a break. Even when he briefly did, Charles was right there to apply the hold again. Aspiring wrestlers who want to know how to work an armbar without putting the audience to sleep should watch this match in wrestling school. Eventually in almost every match, the heel makes a mistake, and Charles made his by going for the half-crab instead of staying on the arm he'd hurt. Atlantis managed to break the hold relatively easily, then cradle Charles for the pin. I loved watching Charles while Atlantis and Dandy celebrated; he was clearly wondering how the hell the match could have possibly slipped away from him. This is possibly my second favorite lucha match behind Dandy's December 1990 hair match with Satanico. One complaint: We never saw how Atlantis hurt his arm in the first place. It didn't take away from the drama or anything, but it would have been nice to see, considering that 90% of the match's story concerned the bad arm.
  22. garretta
    There really isn't a whole lot new to say, but I want to expand on the stuff already said. Curt was just as active in this match as Flair was, if not more so, which means that it's about time for him to get back in the ring. We're back to Curt being pushed as the star of Flair's act again, which has to mean that Vince is losing interest in Flair. Not only that, but Heenan's also pushed harder than Ric is, which is ludicrous considering that he's only made a few cameo appearances in promos and spent the rest of his time safely in the broadcast booth. Once again, I'm questioning the whole thought process of not having a title change at SummerSlam, only this time I'm wondering why Warrior didn't just go over clean when they had the opportunity to book the match that way. Beating a strongly-pushed and well thought-of Savage would mean more than doing the Honky squash on a guy who supposedly owes his entire career to a couple of near-cripples, don't you think? The match itself was even less than your average Superstars main event. Curt looked better throwing chops and forearms in his suit than either wrestler did in the whole match, and I'm not kidding. I've seen plenty of angles and beatdowns that were much more heated and physical than this. Gino and His Lordship were lethargic to say the least, but their criticism of Earl was justified here. Okay, so he didn't see the knucks shot by Flair, but what kind of dummy allows himself to be pulled out of the ring while making a count without calling for a disqualification, especially when he's just going to turn around and DQ Flair anyway less than two minutes later. What's the difference anyway, except that Curt looked a lot more impressive cracking Taker in the head with a chair than he did manhandling Earl? We get the tombstone after the match when at the very least it should have been the move that caused Curt to interfere and save the belt for Flair. I loved Gino calling Flair "Tricky Ric", and I'm surprised someone in JCP hadn't come up with that nickname for him long before this. It was the one bright spot in an otherwise awful performance from Gino. I'll give Lord Alfred a pass on not being able to think of "doubleteaming", especially in the context of what's supposed to be a singles match. They never once mentioned that Taker was a former WWF champion, mostly because if they did, they'd have to mention who he took the title from and lost it back to. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Mike McGuirk has neither the voice nor the dignity to be a great, or even a good, ring announcer. I guess they couldn't have used Finkel everywhere, but surely there was someone more qualified than her to do that particular job. If this is the best match these two can come up with, I'd rather have kept my dreams of what might have been intact.
  23. garretta
    They sure crammed everything they could into this match, didn't they? This was about the most brutal, spot-packed FCA match I've seen, and it probably seemed even more violent because they only got a little less than eight minutes. There were only two sequences in the ring, and one was just long enough for Dustin to miss a clothesline and tumble over the top rope. Quite frankly, I'm surprised TBS put this on one of its regular shows. I'm guessing that Mick got the win mostly because he's involved with Barby's title match at Halloween Havoc. Boy, talk about a weird stable: Cactus, Barby, Jake........and Butch Reed? One of those guys is not like the others, that's for sure. That may be one reason why Reed didn't last long, although if they'd given him some time to reestablish himself and played up the Doom breakup a little, he might have been a hell of a challenger for Simmons. Boy, was Hayes enjoying himself here or what? He actually rooted for both guys at different times, which was a bit weird, but he pulled it off. I loved him asking JR what would happen in an FCA match if someone got his foot on the railing, although judging by JR's tone of voice during his answer I'm not sure if he appreciated it too much. How the hell did we get from this to Dok Hendrix, and what on earth kind of name is Dok Hendrix in the first place? Was the fan vote about the top rope rule at the Clash legit, or did Watts use it as an excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway, which is rescind the rule in almost all cases? Either way, it was an intelligent move by the Cowboy.
  24. garretta
    This was kind of in the middle for me. The actual in-ring action was excellent as usual, and the two sides worked as units better than they ever have before. They had that sense of when their partners were in trouble and needed to be saved, and the tags were quick and fluid. I really got the sense that I was watching two cohesive teams and not just six individual wrestlers. Maybe I don't know what to look for, but Jumbo didn't look that different to me. If I hadn't known going in that he had hepatitis, I never would have guessed it. He still looked as good in the ring as he has since the start of the Yearbooks. All of that being said, Pete's right; they need to move on from this somehow. Doing jobs consistently isn't helping Kikuchi's career any; in matches outside of this feud, he can hold his own with just about anyone, but here he was Ricky Morton without the hope of winning. Maybe Jumbo, knowing that he was slowing down and would soon be unable to compete at an elite level, should have volunteered to do the job for Kikuchi specifically just to shake things up a bit. It would have made Kikuchi, if not a budding superstar, at least a true main-event player instead of just someone Misawa turned to in order to fill out his team when Kobashi had other things to do. I'm not sure how Kawada would have felt about being passed over, though, and maybe that's why Baba didn't do it. The point is, we needed something other than Jumbo pinning Kikuchi, which we've gotten most of the time when these two have been involved together during this feud. Though I may not have liked the result, I have to give Baba credit for how the finish was set up, specifically Ogawa distracting Misawa and pulling him into a brawl on the outside so Jumbo could finish off Kikuchi with no interference, since Kawada and Taue were in a brawl of their own. It almost seems like Baba valued Ogawa more than Kikuchi if we go by what we saw here. Puro experts, is this true or am I barking up the wrong tree?
  25. garretta
    I could have actually been okay with this alliance, even as ham-handedly as it was done, if it hadn't come so soon after SummerSlam. The Megapowers were at least semi-believable as a unit because 1) Even though Savage hadn't quire officially turned, he and Hogan were no longer actively feuding, at least on TV and 2) Hogan was shown to be reluctant at first to save Savage's hide, even from Honky and the Harts. I haven't seen the title switch yet, but I presume that Warrior saves Savage from Flair and Hall and that they're immediately best friends like they'd never, ever fought before. This after not only the whole mess over who sold out at SummerSlam, but their original epic feud in '91, which most fans had to remember even if Vince refused to acknowledge it on the air. In other words, this had all the subtlety of a thousand pound jackhammer hitting a housefly. Nope. I agree with Curt. What are these guys trying to pull, and how long will it last before they're at each other's throats again? Could Vince at the time have been thinking about a third pay-per-view main event with these two at Mania IX? "The Ultimate Maniacs Disintegrate"? That had to be the endgame, because these two being best friends makes even less sense than Hogan and Savage being best friends did. The corny stuff with the glasses and kneepads was just more blessed subtlety from our Uncle Vinnie-Poo. It's nice to know that he trusts us to figure out his storylines all by ourselves, isn't it? Speaking of whom, it's as if he never left England with that growling, gravelly, slobbering voice of his. I suppose I should give him credit for being able to sustain it for as long as he does, along with his other standby, the Shiller's Screech. But my ears can't take much more. The sad part is, he has a very good broadcast voice when he's doing neither of the above and also not indulging in his high school-level imitation of Howard Cosell. Of course, you'd be hard-pressed to find a time when he's not doing one of the three, so I don't know how much my compliment counts for. At least Mean Gene had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. The combination of red and yellow and the names "Macho Maniacs" and "Ultimate Maniacs" were either a subtle tribute to Hogan or a subtle dig at him. I can't figure out which; knowing Vince, it's probably a bit of both.
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