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I saw that there was some talk of realism in the promotions board. I wanted to say that I am on board with some of the "unrealistic" realism that we are doing. I know we have toyed with some three way and four way matches and some fun gimmicks which I think are good. I guess I would just encourage everyone to "use their best judgment" when it comes to realism. Now let me also say no one in any way is stretching the realism here... it is a game and we are having a lot of fun. I wanted to propose this thread as some ideas in relation to realism and see what others thought... For instance... I am REALLY wanting to hold a survivor series and royal rumble. Now I don't know the shelf life of this game if we will make it to 1987 in 2 years and then add on another 8 months to survivor series and then add in 2 more months for a rumble, but would it be too bold to hold one for a special house show? I have recently retired Pat Patterson and Vince in my "creative." Would it be too bold to hold a 20-30 man timed battle royal during this time on a house show? Just wanted to throw it out there and see what people thought... I obviously wouldn't do it on a ppv yet... but rather as a special attraction to see if it would be a "draw" to then make it bigger down the line...

3/24 Toronto, Ontario, Canada – Maple Leaf Gardens MAIN EVENT Hulk Hogan & Andre the Giant defeated John Studd, King Kong Bundy, & Bobby Heenan Kamala defeated Jim Brunzell “King” Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan defeated Tito Santana -Greg Valentine got involved The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart defeated Tony Atlas & Dino Bravo -A lot of issues with Bravo and Atlas and even the crowd booing Bravo and chanting Lutte during his match

WWF Superstars Vince McMahon & Jesse the Body Ventura Matches from Brantford, Ontario, Canada – The Civic Centre The Fantastics defeated Omar Atlas& Barry Horowitz Jimmy Hart: With WrestleMania only one-week away baby I can feel it! I have got the Anvil and the Hitman ready! Bobby Fulton… Tommy Rogers… I don’t think your future is going to look to bright after we deliver you a Hart Attack! The Machines defeated SD Jones & Tony Zane Bobby Heenan: Ohhh the big mystery… who are the Machines… well at WrestleMania… I don’t care if there are 2 of you… 3 of your… or even 4 of you! We are going to rip those masks off and show the world you ugly faces and put you out of wrestling for good! Nikita Koloff w/ Ivan defeated Bob Scott Tony Atlas: Lemme tell all the pople out there right now that Mr. USA Tony Atlas is joining forces with Mr. Canada, Dino Bravo. We are the World’s Strongest Tag Team and Russians… we coming for ya baby… Nikita Koloff… you big ugly… I am going to show you why I am the strongest man in professional wrestling! Jake Roberts defeated Rick McGraw Randy Savage: OHHHH YEAAAHHH… Jake Roberts the time is drawing closer and the Macho Man can feel it from my nose to my toes… brother WrestleMania… the bright lights and the millions of people are going to see the MACHO MAN reign SUPREME DIG IT! Dynamite Kid w/ Davey Boy vs Gino Hernandez w/ Chris Adams -A very fun main event with Dynamite and Gino putting on a great 12-minute contest. The crowd is really getting after Gino and Adams who are really working on a grand stage for the first time in their careers but they have got some great heat. In the end, we see Gino attempting to cheat before Davey Boy gets involved leading to Chris Adams nailing a NASTY superkick that knocks Dynamite right out before Gino covers him for the 3 count. Davey chases off the Mexican champs as this one is heating up before WrestleMania! EVENT CENTER WrestleMania MAIN EVENT SPECIAL ENFORCER: Muhammad Ali WWF CHAMPIONSHIP Hulk Hogan © vs Roddy Piper INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © w/ Elizabeth vs Jake Roberts TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © vs Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE New Japan Wrestling’s Antonio Inoki vs King Kong Bundy w/ Bobby Heenan Andre the Giant vs “King” Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine w/ Jimmy Hart The Fantastics vs The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart David Sammartino w/ Bruno vs Larry Z The Machines vs Haku & The Barbarian Just signed for WrestleMania Dino Bravo & Tony Atlas vs The Russians Blackjack Mulligan vs Ron Bass w/ Jack Lanza

Considering how hugely over Dino Bravo & Andre were in Montreal, it's anything but "blah-ish". Crowd must've gone nuts for this. In an odd way, Hogan probably was the lesser attraction in this main event...unless you were talking about Wrestling Challenge? Yeah I think he's talking about the tv show. the House show would have been HOTTT!

Well Scott Casey hasn't really popped on the scene yet so it isn't much but a place holder in a feud that could be going nowhere fast. but I also agree... sometimes these things were snoozers... especially in 1985!

-There is a lot of hype right now with the WrestleMania card being fully announced and just how it will all go down in Madison Square Garden. There are many who feel that a 3-hour live show will be fun for the crowd but those in closed circuit may complain. The WWF is hoping to have special "rewards" and "gifts" for those who do attend closed circuit including WrestleMania T-Shirt give aways, commemorative mugs, and even signed photos. The reward system is set for those who send their close circuit ticket will be a signed WrestleMania Program by Hulk Hogan. This is said to be a major ploy incentive to get people to the theaters to check out the show. -There are some who have said that there is no way Roddy Piper will do the job for Hogan on such a big stage. Some rumors floating around are of New Japan regulars like Fujinami or Inoki getting involved to set up a big WWF vs Japan feud or even reviving the WWF and All Japan partnership with Tenryu or Jumbo getting involved to halt the main event. ​-There is talk of unmasking the Machines but many feel as though their mystery has a lot of appeal and could lead to big money down the line. -Gino Hernandez and Chris Adams are already talking about taking the WWF titles to Japan and winning titles there even though they haven't beaten the Bulldogs. With the Mexican titles... this could be huge for a team that many feel has the making to be the best in the business in 1985.

Montreal, Quebec, Canada – Montreal Forum MAIN EVENT Hulk Hogan, Dino Bravo, & Andre the Giant defeated John Studd, King Kong Bundy, & Kamala w/ Bobby Heenan & Roddy Piper HAIR VS HAIR MATCH Tito Santana vs Brutus Beefcake -Greg Valentine got involved to cost Tito the match and then they began to cut his hair until Tony Atlas came out for the save! INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © vs Harley Race went to a 30-minute draw

WWF Wrestling Challenge Gorilla Monsoon & Bobby The Brain Heenan in studio Matches from Brantford, Ontario, Canada – The Civic Centre Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan defeated Johnny Rivera Andre the Giant: How can you call yourself a King when you haven’t beaten the Giant? Harley Race… I will take that crown from you and put it on my head where it belongs! David Sammartino defeated James Wright Larry Z: In all my years of wrestling, never before has a man with so little had such significance and that is saying a lot because I think very low of you David and I think even less of your father. At WrestleMania, the world is going to see me wipe the mat with you and if Bruno wants… I may just show him a thing or two as well! The Killer Bees defeated Pat & Mike Kelly -Good showcase for the Bees who might not make it on the WrestleMania card but it doesn’t mean they don’t have the goods. We see a slick double dropkick to finish off the Kelly boys for the 3 count. Brutus Beefcake defeated Steve Simpson – he then cut his hair! Tito Santana: I guess tonight is the night Brutus and just to let you know that I could care less about my hair and more about getting my hands on you! Tonight I am going to do just that and when I do… it is going to be lights out for you! ARIBA! Scott Casey vs Ron Bass w/ Jack Lanza -A blahish main event with Bass beating up Casey something good and even Black Bart comes down to help matters out… but then we see Blackjack Mulligan come down to even up the odds and we get a nice little back and forth before they chase off the heels. EVENT CENTER WrestleMania MAIN EVENT SPECIAL ENFORCER: Muhammad Ali WWF CHAMPIONSHIP Hulk Hogan © vs Roddy Piper INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © w/ Elizabeth vs Jake Roberts TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © vs Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE New Japan Wrestling’s Antonio Inoki vs King Kong Bundy w/ Bobby Heenan Andre the Giant vs “King” Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine w/ Jimmy Hart The Fantastics vs The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart David Sammartino w/ Bruno vs Larry Z The Machines vs Haku & The Barbarian Just signed for WrestleMania Dino Bravo & Tony Atlas vs The Russians Blackjack Mulligan vs Ron Bass w/ Jack Lanza

Ron Bass, Black Bart, Blackjack Mulligan, Scott Casey, Killer Bees, and Youngbloods all on the block for any interested.

​1. Ron Starr 2. Brian Adias 3. Gama Singh 4. Don Kernodle 5. Charlie Cook 6. Mike Jackson 7. Ken Timbs 8. Pat Rose 9. Larry Hamilton 10. Josh Stroud 11. Jerry Bryant 12. Lou Winston 13. Mark Batten 14. Brad Batten 15. Ron Ritchie ​16. Steve Gatorwolf ​17. Steve Dunn 18. Tony Falk ​19. Don Bass ​20. Dirty Rhodes 21. Lanny Kean ​22. JR Hogg ​23. Jeff Sword ​24. Doug Vines 25. Phil Hickerson ​26. The Flame ​27. Tommy Wright Need to take these names off the list when you get time Kevin.

Definitely enjoyed this show. Interesting spot for the NWA right now and how they will move forward with the Lutte partnership, new freelancers, and then the Great American Bash coming up along with the build to Starrcade. Lots of fun things on the horizon!

What do you mean?

March 20th, 1985 -The WWF has just signed over 40 cities nationwide to show WrestleMania on closed circuit. This means that you an head down to your local theater (if they are hosting) and watch the event as it unfolds in Madison Square Garden. Some cities that have multiple locations include Chicago, Los Angeles, Oakland, Miami, Houston, St. Louis, and New York. Other key markets have begun to follow suite and it is said that over 100 cities may be broadcasting the show when it airs in just 11 days. -On markets throughout the country, special promos have been sent to highlight some of the top matches... here is a preview of some of those promos. WWF CHAMPIONSHIP Roddy Piper: WrestleMania… biggest event in the history of this here sport and who is right at the top… Roddy Piper… Main Event Material. You know a lot of people don’t understand what this feud with Hulk Hogan is really all about. They talk about the WWF Championship… man I wouldn’t mind having that extra little gold and money… but it isn’t about the title… Hogan it is about RESPECT! For far too long have the men like you not given the men like me the respect I deserve and boy I am going to beat it out of you in front of millions of people and there just isn’t anything you can do about it! Hulk Hogan: Well I guess the time for talking is almost to an end but just enough time for me to tell the world exactly what I am going to do to you Roddy Piper. You see for months now you have tried to get the better of me but to no avail dude. You are looking at the biggest arms in the world and brother after all the low down and dirty things you have tried to do to me it is time for payback… and brother I am coming with a crate full of it. For unleashing the mighty Kamala… all the interference… you Roddy Piper are going to get exactly what is coming to you and all my Hulkamaniacs out there get to see it live and in living color! WWF INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Jake Roberts: I guess it is just a matter of time before we step into that ring Randy Savage and see exactly who has what it takes. Who has what it takes to be the best when you are in front of 20,000 fans in Madison Square Garden and millions of people watching around the world… well brother… this snake don’t hiss before I get my fangs in you and come too long you are going to be right where I want you… locked up and full of DDT! Randy Savage: Freak out… FREAK OUT…. OHHHH YEAAAAH!!! Jake Roberts wants to talk about filling me with DDT brother I am filled with the MADNESS ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP! Now at WrestleMania… I am going to have ice water running through my veins and brother I am going to EXPLODE everywhere… and in doing soo…. I am going to redeem the honor of Ms. Elizabeth and I am going to keep this Intercontinental Championship and I am going to sever the head from the SNAKE! DIG IT!

WWF on Tour Utica, NY – Memorial Auditorium Glen Falls, NY – Civic Center Niagara Falls, NY - Convention Center MAIN EVENT Hulk Hogan & Dino Bravo defeated King Kong Bundy & Big John Studd w/ Bobby Heenan via DQ when Roddy Piper got involved “King” Harley Race defeated Tony Atlas The Machines defeated The Faces of Fear Blackjack Mulligan defeated Black Bart Ron Bass defeated Scott Casey Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams defeated The Killer Bees WWF on Tour Oswego, NY – Laker Hall Gymnasium White Plains, NY – Westchester Count Civic Center Binghamton, NY – Broome County Arena MAIN EVENT Tito Santana & Randy Savage defeated Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake w/ Jimmy Hart Bret Hart defeated Jay Youngblood Jake Roberts defeated Mark Youngblood David Sammartino defeated Jim Neidhart via Count Out WWF TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © defeated the Russians in a 2/3 falls match

Sonny King and Tony Falk gone from the WWF No clue on Wright and Batten... that's the kind of stuff we want to avoid is those falling through the cracks... if they aren't found... you should be fine to pick em up.

At this point Lawler and the Rock n Roll are freelancers so still available to you to use... but as an outlaw Memphis builder that could work... don't know how you could write up Lawler and company coming in as freelancers but worth the try.

It is obviously an open group but what happened when you vanished last time with no communication? I don't want to be negative as I have said I enjoy your work and your effort in the past. Right now we are all doing a pretty good job and I want to keep that going and I think that you could definitely help that, I am just fearful of people giving up talent and then us having the same situation we were in a couple of months ago when you were gone without communication and we had to sit on the rosters for a while. If we can get it worked out to try and be as risk free as possible, I definitely think we can get you going, I just want to do what is best for every person involved as we are all working really hard right now and going in the right direction. Fair point, unfortunately real life got in the way. Can't guarantee it wouldn't happen again, hopefully not. Only after my usual smaller roster if you can accommodate, don't want to upset the apple cart... That's exactly what I was hoping for. Obviously real life messes with us all... only thing I ever ask is communication so we can keep the group as a whole moving forward. Take a look through free agents... work with some of the promotions and see what you come up with. I know you suggested southern wrestling... but there is probably a fun group of guys from England around this time with Big Daddy and others if you'd ever want to take a stab at that. Then we would have Mexico, Japan, and Europe to work with... just a thought.

Maybe it is just a coincidence... but is 1993 your most covered year?

It is obviously an open group but what happened when you vanished last time with no communication? I don't want to be negative as I have said I enjoy your work and your effort in the past. Right now we are all doing a pretty good job and I want to keep that going and I think that you could definitely help that, I am just fearful of people giving up talent and then us having the same situation we were in a couple of months ago when you were gone without communication and we had to sit on the rosters for a while. If we can get it worked out to try and be as risk free as possible, I definitely think we can get you going, I just want to do what is best for every person involved as we are all working really hard right now and going in the right direction.

{Vince McMahon to Lutte...}

WWF Live Los Angeles, CA – Olympic Auditorium WWF CHAMPIONSHIP Hulk Hogan © defeated Kamala via DQ when Roddy Piper got involved Andre the Giant & The Machines defeated Bundy & The Faces of Fear w/ Heenan when John Studd got involved INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © vs Jake Roberts went to a double DQ! TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © defeated The Russians, The Hart Foundation, & The Fantastics

WWF Superstars Vince McMahon & Jesse the Body Ventura Matches from Hamburg, PA – The Fieldhouse Kamala w/ Roddy Piper defeated Brady Boone -Kamala is out here again and he destroys Brady Boone. Roddy Piper joins commentary and he is running Hogan down. He talks about how Muhammad Ali isn’t going to be a part of this and he will knock him out if he gets in his way. We see the big splash and Kamala has won it! The Killer Bees defeated Tony Flak & Tony Zane -A nice showcase for the Bees who are a fun team right now to watch. They have got a lot of speed and charisma but how do they match up against some of the others? Greg Valentine & The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart defeated Bob Scott, Rick McGraw, & Ken Raper -The Hart Foundation is out in force tonight. Vince and Jesse put over the hair cutting that Brutus Beefcake has been doing and Jesse calls him the BARBER! Could be on to something. The Machines defeated Omar Atlas & Bob Bradley -A good contest with the Machines as Super and Strong look great here. Heenan is shown here with the Faces of Fear and Bundy. We see the Machines finish off Bradley and prep for the battle but then out of the crowd comes the THIRD MACHINE! OH MY! We have got some six-man action ready to unfold here but Heenan and his boys retreat. Tony Atlas vs Nikita Koloff w/ Ivan Koloff -A really fun main event and we get to see Nikita outside of his element a little bit but he has got things going in the right direction and Atlas is able to keep things manageable. Nikita is no selling everything though and when he hits the Russian Sickle, Atlas goes flying outside the ring and here comes Ivan to hammer down on him. This pulls Dino Bravo out of the back and we get a double count out with a 4-man brawl outside the ring! Jesse and Vince put this over in a big way as Nikita is on the rise and there is a tag team in the making here! EVENT CENTER WrestleMania MAIN EVENT WWF CHAMPIONSHIP SPECIAL ENFORCER: Muhammad Ali Hulk Hogan © vs Roddy Piper INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © w/ Elizabeth vs Jake Roberts TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © vs Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams Andre the Giant vs “King” Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine w/ Jimmy Hart Just signed for WrestleMania The Fantastics vs The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart David Sammartino w/ Bruno vs Larry Z The Machines vs Haku & The Barbarian And a special INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE New Japan Wrestling’s Antonio Inoki vs King Kong Bundy w/ Bobby Heenan

WWF Live Oakland, CA – Coliseum Hulk Hogan & Andre the Giant defeated Kamala & King Kong Bundy via DQ -Roddy Piper got involved but then Big John Studd came out and it was 4 on 2 against Hogan and Andre until the Machines came out to even the odds INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © defeated Jake Roberts via DQ TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs vs The Hart Foundation wen to a 20-minute draw EIGHT MAN TAG Gino Hernandez, Chris Adams, & The Russians defeated The Youngbloods & Killer Bees The Fantastics defeated the Faces of Fear

WWF Wrestling Challenge Gorilla Monsoon & Bobby The Brain Heenan in studio Matches from Hamburg, PA – The Fieldhouse Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams defeated SD Jones & Pez Whatley -Lots of heat for Gino and Adams who put it all together in the ring. They finish off Pistol Pez with the suplex/cross body combo. They are calling out the Bulldogs and what a match it will be at WrestleMania! Ron Bass w/ Jack Lanza defeated Terry Daniels -An interesting little contest here with Bass beating up Daniels with no problem. The match turns interesting when Black Bart comes down to join Bass and they lay into Daniels something awful. Bass is calling out Mulligan. The Fantastics defeated Los Conquistadors -A nice effort here for the Fantastic who beat up the Conquistadors here tonight. The finish sees a nice double dropkick and it is all over but the crying as Tommy and Bobby are gaining some big time speed and momentum going into WrestleMania! Brutus Beefcake w/ Jimmy Hart defeated Pat Kelly -Brutus Beefcake is at it once again as Bobby and Gorilla put over how he will be taking on Tito Santana next week in a hair vs hair match. He puts Pat Kelly to sleep here tonight and finishes him off with a nice little trim as Jimmy Hart just gloats and gloats. Andre the Giant vs Haku w/ Bobby Heenan -On rare occasion do we get to see Andre on television but here he is tonight with Haku in a fun contest. Haku is throwing some big time strikes at Andre but nothing doing. Harley Race comes out as a distraction and then here comes Bundy and the Barbarian, as the Heenan Family is ready to pounce on Andre. Andre nails the big suplex and elbow to finish off Haku but here comes the Family to attack the big man but before long, not one or two, but THREE MACHINES COME OUT! The chase off the Heenan Family and now Heenan has got 3 of them to deal with!!! WRESTLEMANIA MAIN EVENT WWF CHAMPIONSHIP Hulk Hogan © vs Roddy Piper INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Randy Savage © w/ Elizabeth vs Jake Roberts TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The British Bulldogs © vs Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams Andre the Giant vs “King” Harley Race w/ Bobby Heenan Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine w/ Jimmy Hart Just signed for WrestleMania The Fantastics vs The Hart Foundation w/ Jimmy Hart David Sammartino w/ Bruno vs Larry Z The Machines vs Haku & The Barbarian And a special INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE New Japan Wrestling’s Antonio Inoki vs King Kong Bundy w/ Bobby Heenan

IT IS OFFICIAL Muhammad Ali has signed a special contract with the WWF to take part in the WrestleMania event on March 31st in Madison Square Garden. He has signed to be the special guest ring enforcer for the Main Event when WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defends his title against Rowdy Roddy Piper. Also signed for the event is Liberace. He will be the special guest time keeper for the event! WWF officials said that there are more celebrities looking to be involved and will be announced in the future.