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    Mick Foley

    I think perhaps we are having different conversations. Buy rates and ratings are the least interesting thing in all of wrestling to me, so if I reference success or momentum, I am almost never talking about that. I am thinking more in hindsight in terms of how the whole thing is taken up in retrospect, what holds up, how we craft these narratives and histories in our little hardcore bubbles of wrestling. However, I brought up stardom, so I get it. Even still... Throw the Austin part of my point out. I don't mean that flippantly. I mean in genuinely. I think the dude love feud is low key really important and I believe the fact that he was a proxy in a larger war does little to nothing to diminish his contribution/importance, but I can see the argument that it was vastly more important for Foley. Plus, I said, it is also clear that he meant less to Austin than the others I mentioned. Again, however, the feud brought out some of the best in Austin and to OJ's point, laid out the template for the Attitude Era main event. That template didn't always produce quality, but when it hit it hit... and that we are actually measuring here right? In ring performance is they key. I brought up the stardom thing, so its on me, but I was really making a more passing comment after watching a doc more than a case for him. I don't think of that as at all part of his case for this project. I just see Foley as the glue that held much of that era together and a low key mvp of it, but that has nothing to do with how I would vote for him.
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    Mick Foley

    No. not really. You have them interacting through 1999 as Mankind. Regardless austin is definitely the least of the four. However, despite that being the least prnounced feud, I think it came at a really important time, right after Austin won the title. Having something that continued the momentum was not at all a given. Dude Love was a perfect choice (esp after HBK) to keep that rocket fueled up. Different point, but that feud produces what some think is Foley's best (or amongst his best) work.
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    Mick Foley

    Sorry, should have made this one post This I think is a huge part of his case. How many people are willing to take a beating, especially in the wake of Foley's career? How many of them are able to construct and physically develop their characters in the match like Foley? I agree that it is really hard to look past the fact that the highlights are often him taking a beating, but Foley's greatest strength was his mind for wrestling and storytelling. It is just hard to see the forest for the trees sometimes, especially when those trees are very preposterous acts of violence.
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    Mick Foley

    Like I said, they are all stars, but I just don't know what happens when you take such an important piece out of the puzzle. Austin is still probably the hottest thing in wrestling history and the Rock is still probably a mega movie star yes... but it is tough to say how the paths change and if there becomes any kind of qualitative difference in their fame or how long it takes or anything. The larger point (the ACTUAL point) is that he was crucial part in each one of their careers and when they tell the story of each of their careers, there is a really important chapter about how their stock raised as the result of a Foley feud. He gave a lot of people the gritty match that proved they were tough and added to or really gave them a different kind of legitimacy. That is a very particular kind of thing that a lot of companies try to do for their "top guys". Foley was automatic. As for HHH... The Rumble match is great. I think the Sting matches massive lines the on foley resume. that is how I more or less agree on how to GENERALLY rate sting. Even if someone wanted to argue for some of his other matches such as the Flair match, Foley provided something unique within his career.
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    Mick Foley

    I just watched his A&E doc. Like many of these, nothing new in there, but it reminded me of just how good a person he is. Jesus... is there a better person in wrestling? (the Sandman match Sleeze takes issue with not withstanding) Anyway, Foley is a lock for my list. He is someone I have a little trouble demarcating the "in ring work" from just who he is as a wrestler and his philosophy. He is smart, giving, crazy, creative, personable, and maximized his skills in a business that didn't always reward his skills at the most public and lucrative levels in the US. Some of that stuff is pretty tangible in the ring, but much of it is most easily seen outside. The difficulty will be trying to focus on his in ring work in a way that is fair to everyone else and loyal to the project. Even still, I think he is perhaps a top 50 wrestler. He ranks highly for me in a lot of categories including... top matches, big/memorable moments, having folks' best match, selling (in his case just actually getting hurt), and psychology. I agree that his offense isn't great in the traditional sense, but - going back to making the most out of what he had - he often made it look convincing against much bigger more convincing looking athletes. That is a skill he deserves credit for. I think he has some deceptive versatility as well. There is a thick layer of ultra violence in most of his matches, especially his most praised matches, but he thrived in different settings and with a wide range of opponents. Maybe adaptability is the better term. Regardless, he has success in a variety of places against a plethora of opponents and that isn't something you can say about everyone. I think of Foley as the real MVP of the Attitude Era. Would HHH, Austin, Rock, and Taker be stars without their feuds with Foley? Yes. Would they be the stars they are now without those feuds? I really don't think so (but we will never know). He had crucial feuds and matches with all the tip-top guys of that era and many in the following. To put it in a football metaphor. Austin and Rock might have been the QB and RB that scored all the points that season, but Foley was the LT working in the trenches and and making sure everyone had time and space to shine.
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    Pantera Surena

    I have only seen a hand full of matches, but the 2/27/85 match with Jaguar is among the best matches I have ever seen and the above-mentioned Lola match (just watched recently) was incredible in its own right. I think I have only watched one other Jaguar match that was quite solid as well. I'm definitely interested in digging in more on her, especially non-Jaguar matches. Having a great feud against one of the greatest wrestlers ever is one thing, but I hope to find more
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    Serena Deeb

    I think that is fair to be honest. I have personally found talking points about what they COULD be in 5 years interesting from a conversation stand point, but I wouldn't nominate someone based on that or overthink a candidacy based on it. I mean, we are 5 years away. Kids starting high school NEXT YEAR will graduate around when we submit. The idea of potential is intriguing, but for sure... it isn't grounds - on its own - for a nomination for myself either. It just becomes a flashy talking point. I have laid out Deeb's preliminary candidacy otherwise earlier, so I wont rehash it. I suppose I could see this as a matter of the new hotness promotion bumping someone's rep. I am admittedly a bit of an AEW mark so maybe that is coloring my opinion. Even still, she is a super long shot for even real crunch time consideration, but I have a lot of exploring to do.
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    Serena Deeb

    Well, I have certainly wasted time on dumber shit than nominating Serena Deeb for this project, so that is fine.
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    Serena Deeb

    I appreciate it, but it doesn't quite get to my question, which is genuine, but I didn't word it well. If we are to nominate someone in "good faith" does that imply that they are serious contenders for our list at this moment? Or, might a nomination come for any number of other reasons? For example, "there is potentially a case to be made for this person, even if I am not the one's to make it in full" (the case here). The criteria outlined in the nomination thread is "you want to consider voting for them", which is pretty broad. I know this isn't the place, but given two comments dismissing the nomination itself, I thought I would seek clarity. As i understand it, I stand by the fact that Deeb should be nominated, even if my nomination matches are admittedly from a very small and narrow sampling of her career. This is because, as stated, I'd like to learn more about her as a candidate if anyone has recs since she has something like a 15 year resume that is generally spoken of fondly and I would like to consider her over the next five years. However, if i am misunderstanding it I'll adjust my nomination standards in the future. It is probably a non-issue to be honest. If folks are just being flippant that is whatever. However, if she shouldn't be nominated or nominated in the way I did that is something I'd like to understand.
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    Serena Deeb

    Perhaps I am missing the point of a nomination here. Is a nomination saying that - five years out - I am genuinely considering them to for my list? Or is a nomination saying that the wrestler might be interesting to talk about and could potentially build a case? If it is the former, sure... I wouldn't have nominated her. If it is the latter or something adjacent to the latter, I stand by the nomination.
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    Orange Cassidy

    I get all that. I think buy in is sort of the foundational point here. It took me a while, but I am more or less "in" on Cassidy on the whole. However, I still think he is a good wrestler independent of that act. Now... obviously you can't ever completely separate the two because they both inform what he produces, but I think he demonstrates qualities of a good wrestler with a shtick that they are presently trying to figure out how to make more than fun. A great deal of work is left to be done on that front though. In all, I do totally get the point being made here. I guess I just think the fun label sells him a little short. Here it is applied fairly, but in other parts of the internet it is applied lazily and in bad faith as well.
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    Orange Cassidy

    I don't know. I think OC is pretty good. He has shown an ability develop a unique character, tell good stories with that character, and integrate that character into more serious wrestling scenarios/interact with more serious wrestlers. His ability to change pace really allows him to sprinkle in drama with some pinpoint accuracy. He is pretty fluid and athletic. His offense is pretty dynamic and I think his selling is solid. I agree that on first brush he strikes the eye as more "fun" than anything else, but I am not sure I think that is fair... or at least maybe he is on the verge of really building a case against the distinction. AEW has given him some great chances to shine (ex: I thought he looked great Sunday), but they have also proven to maybe not to know how to string good months instead of weeks together for him (ex: first Jericho match was built well and that whole thing had diminishing returns until they devolved into leaning too heavily on FUN for my taste).
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    Dominic Garrini

    haha.... that would be interesting. I'll say that when I bough a shirt from him a few years back and I bought the wrong size he was really helpful and went out of his way to get me the right size at no extra charge.
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    Serena Deeb

    I was going to mention that Riho match. Deeb continues to impress. I actually nominated her after her proper return match against Red Velvet. I think RV has lots of promise, but Deeb pulled the best out of her. Love the mean streak/heelishness she has shown since returning. I think that was especially true in the Riho match as others have pointed out. Right now she is just doing everything well. She is hyper focussed on holding the match together logically. Her offense is great. She sells wonderfully. If I had to list people who are actively most aggressively making their cases right now on current form (say... the past 6-8 months) I honestly think Deeb would be top 5-10 on that list at worst..... but..... She is really a looking back AND looking forward wrestler to me. As I said in my nomination, I need to see what else is out there from her career so far. However, it will also be very interesting to see what she does over the next 5 years. I don't think it is reasonable to expect this form for 5 years, but even something close to it could produce a pretty interesting case. If she remains a prominent part of the AEW roster and with a foot in other promotions such as NWA there is a lot of potential there.
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    Dominic Garrini

    I really like Dom, but I also think he has a long road to consideration. Love his dedication to tag work and his ability to carve out a pretty distinct niche for himself in the indie scene. He has some pretty high highs, but I think he might be a better floor wrestler. I don't remember the last time I watched a Dom match and didn't find something to enjoy in.
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    Triple H

    HHH is a LONG shot for my list (almost surely not on it), but I think comparing him to Warrior seems a bit unfair. HHH has his flaws but he is a bit more than a physique and some good matches.
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    Triple H

    To follow up on what I said earlier, I think his bad will hurt him more in my eyes because he chose to be that. His lows seem quite different than someone who maybe takes a while to find their form or who declines significantly at the end of their career.
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    Triple H

    I'll just sort of echo what has been said about him here recently and a lot over the years. There are too many great matches to dismiss him as a bad wrestler. Even more, I think he is a quite good wrestler. However, NL mentioned this line over the GME that gets bounced around about him more broadly: HHH is a good wrestler who thinks he is a great wrestler, which often leads him to a terrible wrestler. HHH was quite good, but he was put in positions that put him out of his depth and/or allowed him to wade out past his depth on his own. Given all the high profile feuds and matches, he should be a stronger contender I think. I'm also guessing that if you asked him what his 10 best matches were there would be very little overlap with what I think they are.
  19. Yeah... I forgot about how much there was on highspots bc I haven't been on there in a bit, but yeah. great shout.
  20. It is weird that more of his stuff isn't just out there. I have a super dragon dvd comp and a few other sets that feature lots of Super Dragon, but yeah... he isn't someone you just run into a lot on the web I think.
  21. Serena Deeb I've come around a bit late on Deeb, honestly since she has come to AEW. I was familiar with her as a strong wrestler before that, but she has blown me away in the past year or so. In turn, my nomination is based on a small sample size, but my gut tells me the past year is not some anomaly. Skimming her cagematch page, I am guessing there are some other strong stretches and maybe even some sort of hidden gems in there and I am hoping others can point out if and when/where else she excels. Deeb is well rounded. Her offense has teeth and is tight. Her selling is top notch, both in the moment and consistently through the match. Her physical storytelling is great and has a knack for making you buy into near falls and sucking you into the home stretch. Additionally, in the past year she has working a lot with women who have a lot less experience and are very much in the early stages of their growth. She is really walking them through good to great TV matches and making them look real real good. v Thunder Rosa (11/18/2020) v Tay Conti (1/13/2021) v Riho (2/18/2021) All on DM
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    Tsuyoshi Kohsaka

    I won't be at all surprised if I have him in the back 1/3rd of my list somewhere. That above-mentioned match with Tamura is absolutely masterful and indicative of his overall quality. Of course they aren't all bangers, but he brings that combination of grappling, urgency, and character to a lot of his matches. I'm sure there will be 100 wrestlers competing for the last 20-30 final spots and I can very much see him among the strongest of those competing.
  23. Maybe Super Dragon.
  24. My current top 10.... 1. Daniel Bryan 2. Kenta Kobashi 3. Stan Hansen 4. Terry Funk 5. El Hijo Del Santo 6. Ric Flair 7. Shinobu Kandori 8. Yoshiaki Fujiwara 9. Bull Nakano 10 Minoru Suzuki Folks that are outside the working top 10, but in that next big tier of wrestlers and could have a chance (in no particular order) Kiyoshi Tamura Eddie Guerrero Akira Hokuto Randy Savage Devil Masami Volk Han Jushin Liger Chingusa Nagayo El Satanico Mick Foley Mitsuharu Misawa Billy Robinson Jumbo Tsuruta Genichiro Tenryu Jaguar Yokota Nick Bockwinkel Brock Lesnar Bret Hart Ricky Steamboat Aja Kong Samoa Joe LA Park Negro Casas Meiko Sotomura Toshiaki Kawada
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    Shinobu Kandori

    I said earlier I would outline my case for Kandori in a little more detail because – as people who participate in GME know all too well I think – I am going to be crazy high on her. This is one of the few times (maybe only) I will do such an extensive review. I find it difficult to make an argument for something akin to “objective” greatness and as you can see… I get wordy. However, if I am going to have her as a top 10 contender, I feel obligated to in this case. In 2016 I said Kandori was my favorite female wrestler ever. At the time she took it by a country mile. The gap has closed between her and quite a few others, but she remains at the top of the list for me. What’s more, in the time since I posted that she moved from just being my favorite to being – least with more conviction – my “best”. It isn’t damning with faint praise to make a gendered distinction either. That places her #7 on my working list (told you it would be silly high to some), with room to move up Five years is a long time. I am sure I will talk more about her and I am sure conversation about her will ebb and flow, especially since – as Microstatistics alluded to – the pendulum seems to kind of be swinging her favor right now. Hell, maybe I will come down a bit on her in that time, but I wanted to make my base case for her as a potential high vote out the gates for the 2026 project and I had some time to think and write about it recently. I’m going to break it down into some sections that I think highlight her across-the-board strengths. Top Matches I think Kandori has a fairly strong, well rounded case, but the biggest and most impressive section of her resume is her top matches. Kandori’s top 5-10 matches stand up to just about anyone in wrestling. While tastes will vary, looking at my current GME list she is currently part of my #1, #6, #19, #37, and #56 matches of all time. But that is, again, personal taste. Let’s think more broadly and take a sampling of some of her top/hyped matches. v Sato (7/18/87) v Devil (7/14/88) v Saito (7/19/90) w/Saito v Dynamite and The Scorpion (8/4/1991) v Hokuto (4/2/1993) v Inoue (8/25/93) v Hotta (9/23/93) v Hokuto (12/6/1993) w/Hokuto v Bull and Aja (3/27/94) v Bull (Chain – 7/14/94) v Kudo (Street – 1/5/97) v Kudo (Barb Wire – 3/14/97) v Hotta 3/21/98) v Toyota (8/23/98) v Satomura (2/12/07) Take your top 5-10 from that list (or maybe I am even missing something in this rough top 15) and I think it stacks up against just about anyone in terms of match quality (a point made a while back by Dylan and others). I often think of Kandori as a big match worker, and one that has an argument as THE big match worker. She has an acute ability to go out and have a great match and bring something special to that match (more on this to come). While it is obvious from the volume of matches above that she isn’t just carried to quality matches, it is important to note that she is a pretty active part of why each of these matches were great. For what might be a counterintuitive example, I would argue that she is absolute crucial to that 94 tag match. I often see people talk about everyone but her, but Kandori is irreplicable in that match. She navigates all the complex dynamics and does lot to moderate the pace of everything throughout. It is a long match and her particular approach to wrestling regulates much of it perfectly. It is a case where the often more “unsexy” parts of wrestling like pacing are so important in creating big matches and why her specific skill set warrants bigtime consideration. Personally, I focus a bit more on peak as a product of my watching patterns and habits,so this is a big category for me. When you were at your best… how good were you? That is something I find fascinating. When Kandori has been at her best, there just aren’t many I think are better. What’s more, I am not going to make a real longevity argument because I haven’t done as much of a dive into the latter parts of her career and am still sorting through some of the earlier stuff we have readily available, but the fact that she has 2 pretty commonly hyped matches 20 years apart is not nothing. Singular Performer/Uniqueness Spoiler alert: this section is the longest because it grounds much of what I will discuss in later sections. I often will harp on “singularity” in my reviews or my effusive praise of particularly wrestlers. Lots of folks carry the quality with them, for sure, but Kandori stands out even among them and it really elevates much of her work. To me, being singular or unique just means that through the combination of their skills, tendencies, and approach a wrestler has carved out a distinctive place in wrestling. In turn, it is hard to imagine someone else doing what they do in a match, feud, or run. This is sort of a sticky one. The more I think about this the more I think it isn’t a quality that is unique among elite wrestlers. Rather, I think any wrestler worth their salt should do this to some degree. That said, I would argue that Kandori excels in this regard. I’m going to touch on a few quick examples that I think serve as microcosms for her larger body of work I’ll hit the big example first, I count Hokuto vs Kandori DreamSlam as the greatest match of all time and one of the primary reasons is that Kandori presents a challenge to Hokuto that no one else on earth could. As much as I love Aja and Bull and even Dump in the way they bully someone and come off as a “final boss” type figure, Kandori’s danger is different. She is the boss that makes you realize the big scary one was just the penultimate hurdle where the real greatest challenge of all comes from someone who might not look quite as scary, but is cerebral and technical. Ok, I’ll get away from the metaphor because it has its limits here, but you get the point. In the above-mentioned greatest match ever, Hokuto is rightly praised as an other-worldly protagonist, and this isn’t to take anything away from that. However, I find the idea that she was much better than Kandori on that night silly. I would argue that without the combination of malice, technique, and violence that Kandori brings and without her setting the tone with really her facial expressions as much as anything early on Hokuto could have never put on that performance. Now, don’t hear what I am not saying. To Microstatistics more specific point, I don’t think Kandori necessarily outperformed Hokuto. I personally like her style more in the match, but I think it is two top shelf performances coming together in a really special way that night (like probably most truly elite matches) Let me take on another example in a little more detail that I think brings her singularity into some focus, the 8/25/93 match against Kyoko Inoue. While this is not the best Kandori match, it might be one of her best performances. Again, this isn’t to take anything away from Kyoko Inoue, who is awesome and is definitely awesome in this match. First and foremost, there is just not anyone who could present the brand of danger Kandori brings in this. No one I can think of at least. She is dangerous from anywhere and everywhere. There is just this sense that no matter where she is she might grab Inoue and finish her right there and then. It is almost relentless through much of this match, even when Inoue is sort of laying it in early on. Weather she is hitting a slick leg sweep from her back and moving right into a submission after taking a beating or firing out of the corner with headbutts, she sells while always giving you the sense that she could turn the match around in the blink of an eye. This compounded by her great nonverbal work. Her facial expressions and gestures bring a lot to a match. In this, I think there are moments in many of her matches where her intensity and her entire approach to a wrestling match just elevates the match often very subtly. In this match there are two really good, simple early examples. First, when she comes out of the corner after taking some offense and is pissed, just leveling Inoue with a few (aforementioned) headbutts in the first couple minutes of the match. She later takes a baseball slide drop kick on the outside and her shoe is untied. Kandori turns tying her shoe into a fucking part of the match. She seems absolutely furious that her shoe is untied and walks around like Inoue is going to take a bad one for it. It is in the little ways she responds to these things. In the first she is elevating the pace and violence and establishing that no matter how bad it looks for her she is dangerous. The second she is letting something linger a minute to provide gravity (to something sort of frivolous no less). What’s more, I think these are pretty par for the course for her. She does stuff like this all of the time. Kandori is a master at elevating the pace, intensity, and/or violence in match at just the right time and she doesn’t always need to be touching her opponent to do it. It is just her entire approach to who she is in a match that I think makes everything bigger and better than it would otherwise be. The final aspect of her singularity is how efficient she can be. This obviously contributes to the first part of my discussion of this match. Kandori isn’t exactly a minimalist, but as many pointed out both during the 2016 project and the recent start up for 2026, she isn’t exactly like many of her peers. She is more grounded, pace oriented. I would argue most of the great joshi workers have good to great psychology, but Kandori works hers differently and finds a way to make it work with divergant opponents. In this match Kandori gets a whole lot done with a rear naked choke and a fujiwara arm bar, especially down the stretch. The last quarter of this match feels like every time she puts a rear naked on it might be over. She makes simple holds look absolutely deadly and to Inoue’s credit she is selling everything like it could be the end. But it is this ferocious, relentless, and well-timed application of the sleeper that caries all the intensity of the match at the end. Finally, I love this finish. This is a wonderful way for Kandori to end a match given how she has articulated her danger throughout. She has Inoue so bound up and locks on a makeshift americana and that is it. Despite it feeling very much like Inoue gets the lion’s share of offense Kandori’s offense does more damage and – again – she could finish it at any moment. Another very brief example is the T. Inoue/ Hotta vs Kandori/Miki match where much of the match is built around Hotta and Inoue being desperate to keep Kandori on the outside and not allowing her to ever have isolation, esp with Inoue. Once she makes the hot tag it isn’t the cleanest or best sequence, but there is this awesome little moment where Hotta comes off the top and sort of misses the kick. Kandori is standing their bracing herself and realizes it doesn’t hit hard. She doesn’t just fall; she drops in for a straight ankle lock and the crowd sort of reacts like that could be it. Her aura of danger is not the flashiest part of the match. It isn’t the most overt or exciting… but it is the best part of it. This is a match that is good, but not elite to me, but it still reflects what Kandori brings and how it can be used to make everything better. This is really underdeveloped, but the closest sort of adjacent wrestlers to Kandori in this regard are maybe like Fujiwara, M. Suzukij, and maybe, oddly enough, Bryan? I would maybe say Brock, but much of his singularity comes from being such a physical/imposing presence and Kandori’s presence is obviously different, closer to the others mentioned. Regardless, all people I think quite highly of. These obviously aren’t qualities that are unique to Kandori, but she brings them in a way and puts them in a package that I just don’t see another version of in wrestling. Her version of this wrestler is very distinct. Doing it in a time where most of her peers were working a different style (or one of a few other styles), Kandori stands out in the crowd to me and in turn, her matches stand out in a big way (more to come). Versatility This is a pretty simple section. Kandori is a versatile performer and I mean that in sort of the most basic way imaginable. She has success in singles, tags, various gimmick, epic, compact, bloodly, and more light-hearteded matches. While I have not done the week-to-week dive on (and I’m probably not doing that for anyone because it just isn’t how I watch wrestling), I can’t think of a scenario she was put in where she felt like she couldn’t excel. Again, to circle this back to the top match section, she has a fairly diverse set of really top end matches. Even if you don’t love her work quite as much as I do, she pretty unquestionably has a varied set of highly praised matches that get noticed. Psychology I always find the idea of “psychology” a bit tricky. I have a sort of broad approach to psychology. To me, psychology is telling a story that achieves fidelity between all the moving parts (the participant, their relationship, the story, the promotion, etc) in a given context. There is wrestling psychology I like and wrestling psychology I don’t like, but it comes in many forms across time and space. Psychology also gets a little nuanced and layered as said fidelity is related to card placement, match timing, physical storytelling, playing off the audience, etc. Kandori is really really good at psychology, maybe to a fault. I can’t really think of a time where she didn’t work to achieve fidelity to her character and motivations. I can’t really think of a time she didn’t work to achieve fidelity to her relationship with her opponents or partners (though admittedly some of this may be lost on me watching with less context than when I watch… say… CM Punk matches, which I more organically followed in real time and understood in context). Additionally, I have spoken above about Kandori’s timing. I think she is also a very good physical storyteller, using moves to create a clear and salient narrative. Finally, take all I said about her singularity and just add that she uses it to really create drama and investment in a match. I often find the home stretches of her matches insanely engaging for this reason. This ties quite a few of the previous sections together as well. Kandori has excelled in a variety of match types and they are all held together through her commitment to who she is and what she does. Again, this might be to a fault. Kandori might actually benefit a little bit if she gave a little more, but generally speaking I see this in the same vein as Hansen. When Kandori gives and when Kandori goes to war with someone it means a great deal more. Leading me to…… Elevating Others There are lots of ways wrestlers can elevate others, but one of the clearest ways is having another wrestler’s best match. I’m not going to spend much time on this because this one probably come down to my personal taste more than any other section because it comebines big match and style preference, but even if you don’t think Kandori has Bull’s, Hokuto’s, Devil’s, Inoue’s, Siato, and Hotta’s best singles matches and Aja’s best overall match in the form of that tag… which I do, she has matches that are in the conversation for a slew of joshi legends (those listed and quite a few others). Let’s crosspollinate these sections again. Because of her singularity and commitment to her Kandoriness, she brings the best out of a lot of people. Getting the best of Kandori takes work and it feels like an accomplishment. Kandori is always bringing the urgency (one of my favorite qualities of a great match) and the violence and that often brings out the best in people. Granted a lot of those people are ultra talented, but I’m at least as interested (honest, more interested) in wrestlers who are able to help talented counterparts level up and create something that stands out in their great catalogues. Doing Stuff in The Match: Offense and Selling Back in 2017 on this thread OJ provided some pieces of a review in response to a question I had about people being previously low on Kandori. In it was a line that I now always associate her now, "This allowed Kandori to be on offense most of the match, which she believes is her divine right anyway." Fuck yeah it is her divine right. Kandori’s offense is awesome. Honestly, she isn’t the tightest grappler or striker, but she is quite good at both and her intensity and urgency hold everything together. Her big spin puts all others to shame because she does it by someone’s fucking neck. Everything she does looks solid to great… but the important thing is it all looks like it hurts. She strikes a balance between execution and grit that I think is universally great, but was especially potent in 90s joshi. Even when there is a misfire she rarely lets anything sit long enough for it to matter. Her selling is also quite good. She gives steadily that really allows her opponents to earn their ground, making everyone look better and everything matter more. As Dylan mentioned during the 2016 project, her long-term selling is also very good (another testament to her psychology). The long and short is that Kandori is good at the meat and potatoes of the match. P.S. Longevity I said I wasn’t going to make a real case for her longevity, and I won’t, but I’ll make a passing comment. I can’t speak to how much quality wrestling she has been producing in the last 10-12 years at this point, but she has been an active wrestler for 35 years. Even if – hypothetically – she has been the drizzling shits in the last 10 years and even if it was technically for MMA, that build with Gabi Garcia was as pro wrestling as it gets. Look up the photos of her in her full walk out robe at the presser. I think she even punched a picture of Gabi. Look at the mid ring pull apart she had with Gabi. That was top shelf pro wrestling. I didn’t want to see her fight Garcia in the least, but she had me biting on the hype. It is who she is in her soul, so I can’t imagine she wasn’t at least still FINE in the ring. In conclusion, I want to reiterate, most wrestlers that are going to make my list (especially those who will place highly), are going to have some combination of the attributes above I listed. Kandori isn’t unique in being great and having a well-rounded case. I’m not interested in lobbying for her to get top 10 votes (though it would warm my dark little dork heart). However, she belongs in that conversation in my mind, that elite conversation. She is probably going to be in my top 5-15 at the very lowest and I am going ahead and making my case for that here early and getting it out of the way.
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