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    Daniel Bryan

    If the rumors are true about Bryan going to AEW and having an opportunity to work in other promotions such as NJPW, he should have every opportunity to bolster his resume in a big way. Regardless of what one thinks about the move (I - for one - am pretty pumped about it), it seems quite likely that he will have a lot of opportunities for in-ring success. I suspect he is going to be picked apart as a legit #1 contender as the project ebbs and flows over the next 5 years. This should likely eliminate a lot of the institutional restrictions and subsequent potential excuses. In other words, his path is open, which (barring injury) should be entertaining.
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    El Hijo del Santo vs Ric Flair

    This is a tough one. They are actually back to back in my top 10 on my working list, with Santo at 5 and Flair at 6. Honestly, it feels a little like a coin flip to me. I'd be pretty shocked if Santo topped Flair in the total count though. I just don't see any luchador getting high votes with enough consistency across the voting body. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
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    Daniel Bryan

    I completely agree and it feels weird saying. That is why I asked. My biases are known I think, so I'm really curious what others think. I just can't think of a period of time when he was active and I wouldn't call him one of the hand full of best in the world.
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    Daniel Bryan

    I would sort of agree that he has a crazy long prime, but the funny thing is, I think two of his best/my favorite matches come int he first like 2 years of his career. I kind of have trouble thinking of any part of his career as not his prime. he has evolved and he might have had a down match or two here and there, but I can't think of a time period I think I would say doesn't constitute prime Bryan. Maybe I am forgetting something though.
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    Daniel Bryan

    I wont get too into the weeds because it is probably more a conversation for somewhere else, but I found the match less overthought and more attentive to detail. The Fastlane matches both accomplished a lot leading into their respective Manias, but this felt like an explosive and violent chessmatch between two legit great wrestler with great physical chemistry. Really great in-ring story too. To bring it back to Bryan's case. I kept wanting to say in that paragraph above that it was two wrestlers at the top of their game. I feel like that is true, but I am slightly hesitant to say it. To me this is obviously Roman's best run, but I'm not sure people would consider this Bryan's "prime". I sort of think you could lump 2020 and 2021 in with his prime work becuase... well... he is as good as anyone in the world when he is out there. Darren is right, Bryan was money in the empty arena era I know it has been discussed, but do folks consider us still in Bryan's "peak" or "prime".... or in another peak.... or in a less than prime era for him? Or maybe put a better way? What is his prime/peak?
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    Daniel Bryan

    They really do have great chemistry. I actually think their most recent SD match is the best of the lot from them, but agree that everything they have done together is really good to great.
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    Mitsuharu Misawa vs Stan Hansen

    Hansen wins this one somewhat comfortably for me. I suppose the variety is a big part of it. They both have crazy high highs. I think both could swing and miss from time to time. However, Hansen's style and approach to wrestling is generally more compelling to me and provides a touch more rewatch value. Misawa is a lock for my list and will do quite well, but Hansen is a contender for #1.
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    Chris Hero vs Cesaro

    This is an interesting one indeed. I have sort of always found Cesaro's output to come up short vs his talent. He is unbelievably talented in terms of his strength, body control, physical timing, and I would argue his storytelling. That all said, I - more often than not - come away slightly lower on his matches than I expect to be. Part of that is definitely the company and how they use him, but I often felt this way before he came to the WWE as well. Cesaro has had bigger stages, but probably fewer oportunties to stand out as a true great. Childs put it best with regard to hero. He always finds his way to relevance. He has a better mind for the entirety of wrestling I think and that bleeds into his match. Additionally, I'm not sure I would ever put Cesaro as the best wrestler in the world in a given year. Hero would push for that honor in 2015 and 2016 I think.
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    Bull Nakano vs Aja Kong

    Elliott brought this up elsewhere a while back and my gut response was Aja. I have since flipped on this and am pretty comfortable with that. I think Bull's top matches stack up pretty well against Aja's, but they are often different types of great to me. Aja is a punch in the mouth (literally and figuratively). Her best matches tend to be really smart well told stories wrapped in the package of a violent spectical. I feel like when things didn't hit just right you got stuff like the repetition or the slight wandering in places. The more I watch Bull the more she feels like a master storyteller. Watching her from the 80s into the 90s has convinced me that she had a gift (from the start) for grabbing narrative threads and keeping them tied together, even in the most chaotic matches. Both flex incredible creative muscles. I currently have Bull at #9 and Aja at #30. Well within the range for this to flip as I watch more, particularly more late career aja, but for now.... Bull.
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    Randy Orton vs Terry Gordy

    I more or less cosign much of what Childs said. I was generous to Orton in the Ultimo comparison. This feels a lot easier to me. Gordy's output doesn't match the reputation and the buzz, but I sometimes think the pendulum did its thing and swung a little far back on him. I would say his tag work alone produces more quality wrestling that I actively want to watch than Orton's career, but he is also not without some solid singles performances as well.
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    Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton

    On first brush with thinking on this... Orton strikes me as a guy who is good when he wants to be but doesn't always want to be and Ultimo strikes me as a guy who always wants to be good but doesn't always get what he wants. I'm not sure that will hold up under more thought. Neither guy has a real shot at my list, but gun to my head I probably prefer Ultimo in theory, but think Orton is a better wrestler.
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    Brock Lesnar

    I'm not even joking, I came back to this thread to make this exact point. Beat me to it.
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    Daniel Bryan vs Kenta Kobashi

    This is the one I put forward on the GME board because this is my working #1 (Bryan) and #2 (Kobashi). Lots of road in front of us. Either could fall, but I think it is more likely that Kobashi gets jumped than Bryan right now. At some point I'll provide some version of what I wrote over there breaking down the why, but Bryan edges this out for me as of right now.
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    Brock Lesnar

    I've been talked into it. Selfishly, Eddy is one of my favorite wrestlers ever, so I think it would have been cooler to see him go over Brock without Goldberg being involved and I think the match would have been slightly elevated in the way I generally think of a "great match" (usually more in a vacuum). This is also partially because I love Guerrero and Brock and I really don't care much for Goldberg HOWEVER, the match, with the interference and all, remains a significant line on Brock and Eddy's resume, perhaps even more so than it would without
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    Brock Lesnar

    haha.... of course I understand its purpose in the broader sense. Sure, I think the match would be better without the Goldberg's involvement, but what I meant was that they didn't need the interference to have Eddie go over Brock convincingly, which always felt a little like part of the calculation. What they accomplished in the body of the match was more than enough to get that crowd and the broader audience to buy Eddie beating Brock. There were still other reasons to have him involved of course, but I still wish he wasn't. Especially given how that Goldberg v Brock match ended up.
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    Brock Lesnar

    Yeah. The Eddie match is top shelf. Totally agree about wishing the Goldberg run in wasn't part of it because I don't think they needed it at all.
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    Seth Rollins vs Chris Adams

    I can't think of anyone who my opinion of dropped more than Rollins over time. When he was Tyler Black and even really early in his WWE run he was never my favorite, but I saw he had some good qualities. It felt like he had the ability to sharpen his game into something really good. Then it felt like he did the opposite of everything that would have made him resonate with my tastes. He is the embodiment of a lot of criticisms that I think get thrown around in wrestling in bad faith too much. He is athletic and physically talented, but everything looks the same and nothing really feels like it matters. I think the biggest indictment on him might actually be his best WWE match, the triple threat with Brock and Cena. I still think the match is a ton of fun, but when he and Cena are left alone I was bored to death. It lost all its urgency and I really think it should have been on Rollins to bring a lot of that. It was an abject failure in that little section of the match for me I don't mean to harp on the negative side of this, but I'm sort of just with most others. Adams is a long shot for my list, but he has a shot. He is a indeed a somewhat underrated wrestler who I have enjoyed, but never really explored the work of actively. Rollins is someone I have been exposed to a lot and find no connection to.
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    Roman Reigns vs Kerry Von Erich

    I am lower on Kerry than most I think. I still like him a great deal, but he is a long shot to make my list to be honest. Reigns is also a long shot, but I am really high on him. I'd say right this second I'd probably rank Kerry higher, but I'd be pretty shocked if Reigns didn't pass him by some distance sooner rather than later.
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    Kenta Kobashi vs. Akira Hokuto

    As of this moment I have Kobashi #2 and Hokuto at #13 (which feels too low - I don't feel good about her not being in the top 10). If I had to guess Kobashi could land somewhere between 1-5 and Hokuto could land somewhere between 3-15, so there is a chance I change my tune on this, but right now it is Kobashi for me. Hokuto is unreal talent in really every sense. Her offense and selling are great. She is a masterful storyteller. She can help elevate those around her. She has high highs and good matches over a very respectable time period. I think the thing for me is Kobashi is a wrestling force of nature unlike any other. His top match output is INSANE. To me, he embodies pro wrestling boiled down to its purest form. He does almost everything well, but somehow he is still better than the sum of his parts.
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    Brock Lesnar

    I agree with Kid Dracula's rankings of the 3. I would also say I am probably relatively high on the Bryan match and low on the Styles match, so for me there is a pretty big gap between 1 and 2.
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    Andre the Giant vs Arn Anderson

    Thanks Matt D. I guess I just have to really dig into the French Catch stuff and see for myself. I have been saying for 2 years it is on my to do list, but I keep getting distracted. Regardless it is a MUST before 2026, so I'll figure it and how it affects Andre out one way or another. I do find the differing interpretations on how it affects his case interesting. Andre is a guy who - like I said - is a lock for me, but he has sort of been raising in my mind the past couple years. I was sort of pondering this last night after I responded and I think instincts and timing are two things that really do jump off the screen with him. He "gets" wrestling in a big way. I feel like the range of outcomes that seem reasonable to me for him is much wider than Arn.
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    Roderick Strong

    Strong is interesting and I think his case is deceptively strong already. Around 2015 I thought he was legit one of the best in the world. I think he has been a bit stop-start since then, but I sort of suspect that has a lot to do with opportunity. He carries a lot of the load in those early UE matches in my book. His match with Riddle in 2019 is one of my favorite NXT matches of the past 3-4 years (ironically enough his 2016 match with Riddle is one of my favorites from that pre-nxt riddle period a lot of folks were high on). I think his offense is good. He sells quite well. More than anything, when given time and the chance he has shown time and time again that he can put together a strong story in a modern setting. He reminds me a little bit of Hart in his commitment to reality in the little things, regardless of what others are doing around him. He, of course, has his indie-rific moments, but he has a long career and has aged really well in my book. I REALLY like the pieces in that Diamond Mine group, but have zero faith that they are going to get to make it something special. I hope I am wrong, I really really do. Strong is the kinda guy who could - given the chance - could really string together some genuine case building stretches, so I am just happy to see him back on my TV in a position with potential. If I were making the list right now I doubt he would make it, but there is a chance he sneaks in. I'd have to think long and hard about the earlier parts of his career. Tons of strong stuff (as I remember), but a lot of forgettable and excessive stuff for my taste.
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    Andre the Giant vs Arn Anderson

    Good to know. I'll personally sort of lump it in with my "unseen Andre" section because there is still more of that than there is for Arn (for me).
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    Andre the Giant vs Arn Anderson

    Nothing to do with the substance of this conversation, but I remember very distinctly as a child getting like half the WCW galoob figures as a child and it opening up my wrestling figure booking. I "booked" some feuds and results as I went and planned some stuff out in advance. I had a battle royal shortly after getting the arn figure where Arn and Andre were the final two after Andre eliminated Barry and Flair. Though Andre won it kicked off a feud that would help elevate Arn. 100% arn spine bustered Andre eventually, but it took months. I told my grandma about it and she was probably the only person who knew (and much like grandmas... she simultaneously couldn't care less and more at once) until now. Sorry yall got subjected to this nonsense, I've never had another chance to tell this dumb ass story that stuck in my brain. I had YEARS playing with wrestling figures and that is for whatever reason one of like 3-4 things I remember. this is tough. Their resumes are built very differently. I feel like it would be tough for me to properly rank andre without watching the french stuff. Even still he is more or less a lock. I think he has great high end matches. I also REALLY like watching him beat the piss out of savage on SNME. He has lots of relatively quality performances like that. Does he have enough to get him over the consistency machine that is Arn? There seems to be a whole really important section of Andre's career I need to see, but there probably isn't that for Arn.I suspect they are really close on my list because - gun to my head - I'd have Arn a bit higher right now. The TLDR version is that Andre's highs are higher but Arn is an old standby you can put out there any time. Both used their physical skills masterfully, Andre having some more obvious advantages and disadvantages in this regard and Arn being really good at standing out despite not... well... physically standing out. Both have great input and both have differently great output.
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    Aja Kong vs Vader

    Boss Rock really summed up my initial thoughts exactly. For a while Aja was clearly the choice in my mind, but I have cooled just at touch. That isn't an insult at all. She just went from probably a sure top 15 to somewhere between 15 and 50 for me. At the same time Vader has slid up a bit in my mind, so this is really tough. This is one I would genuinely be interested in diving in a bit on sooner rather than later (just as soon as I get time to watch wrestling again and watch the other 500 things on my list).