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    Watch Parties

    We talk about all the moves that were copied from 80s Joshi, but what about all the moves that weren't copied from 80s Joshi.
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    Mariko Yoshida: Complete & Accurate

    Mariko Yoshida vs. Hiromi Yagi - 02/18/99 Mariko Yoshida vs. Mikiko Futagami - 04/14/99 Mariko Yoshida vs. Yumi Fukawa - 05/04/99 Mariko Yoshida vs. Aja Kong - 08/06/99 Some other Mariko matches I have marked as great last time I watched this stuff.
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    Ric Flair

    Even if it is necessarily better, I also want a list of wrestlers who consistently connected the first 5-10 minutes of their matches all the way to the finish while regularly going 25+ minutes. It seems like something that only Nick Bockwinkel and the 90s All Japan guys pulled off more than very rarely. It's the kind of flaw that may separate your Top 10 from candidates just below, but I can't see it being that much more damaging to someone's case.
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    Dump Matsumoto

    I have similar thoughts on this. To me Dump Matsumoto isn't another wrestling heel and she's not a TV show character either. She's more something out of folklore, a mythological monster who just hates girls being happy and upsetting them is literally her only motivation for existing. AJW doesn't treat her like she's an official member of the roster; arenas full of schoolgirls enjoying seeing their heroes wrestle just somehow summons her to come and ruin their day. She's like an evil Tom Bombadil spirit creature.
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    Jushin "Thunder" Liger

    I also really love Liger vs. Taichi 05/31/17. It's Liger's last ever Best Of Super Juniors match and it's such a wonderful individual performance I can't recommend enough for something I acknowledge probably isn't a "great match" in a vacuum.
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    Ric Flair

    If he's in that camp I still think he's at the very very top. We know Flair never thought things through, he always just depended on instincts to do whatever feels right in the moment. Maybe that's not 'smart', but the end product virtually always worked out fine. There are so many Kurt Angle matches that he ruins by doing totally stupid things, like how he doesn't seem to know any way to escalate other than spamming finishers, and if he's done that already then hitting finishers OFF THE TOP ROPE or something. I can't think of a single Ric Flair match that he ruins by making stupid decisions (I can think of bad Flair matches, but not because of that).
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    Charlotte Flair

    You should watch the Ronda match. That's the closest she's ever got to wrestling like that.
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    GWE Non-Thread Worthy Comments

    I split assessing a wrestlers performances/output into four parts, I'm not sure what to call them but here goes: 1. Top Output - What is the ceiling of quality a wrestler can produce? For example, look at their very best 10 matches and compare with another wrestler. This where someone like Mitsuharu Misawa is going to excel and deserves some extra kudos for, but someone like William Regal comes short and I think that means something. 2. Volume of Output - How many solidly good matches (like, over 3 Stars) has a wrestler had. This is good to measure a wrestlers consistency, commitment to giving the audience a good show and their adaptability (realistically you have to be having good matches with lots of different opponents in different settings if you've got a huge number of them). Rey Mysterio and Meiko Satomura are very high here. 3. External Input - Basically how much do they elevate their opponents, give people better matches than others do. Or for the best, how many wrestlers have had their best ever matches with them? Bayley does really well here even if she's weak (for a Top 100 candidate) elsewhere as she's regularly had decent-to-good matches with wrestlers who generally don't get anywhere near that. Triple H gets nowhere. 4. Individualistic Input - Not sure what to call this... but what I mean is how some wrestlers are just entertaining by what they do. It doesn't necessarily make a great 'match' and it doesn't necessarily elevate their opponents in any real way. But it's good, and it counts. Goldberg does this for me for example. In the previous thread a poster mentioned just liking "the way Stan Hansen approaches wrestling" and that's also what I'm talking about here. How much weight do I give to all 4? 25% each? Should some have a bit more weight? I'm goign to give them all some weight, but to what extent I think it depends on the candidate and where their strengths lie. I think to be a great wrestler, it's more useful to be great at 1 or 2 aspects of wrestling than it is to just be good at everything but not great at anything. That's not ALL I'm looking at for GWE, that's just where I'm at with assessing the micro of wrestlers performers with individual matches. Stuff like charisma, character work, longevity and excelling in different roles all matter to me as well.
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    Sean Waltman

    I don't think he stayed 'good' as a whole in his later career really. He was still capable of good performances, but there's a lot more crap in his TNA run at least.
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    Alexa Bliss

    I think she's better as an interview/manager type character than a wrestler really. The only matches in her career I'd say are 'very good' are: 1. Alexa vs. Bayley - NXT TV 11/18/15 2. Alexa vs. Sasha Banks - Great Balls of Fire 07/09/17 Not really much of a portfolio, especially when it's arguably the #1 and #2 workers in the division at elevating lesser talent. I'm also not a fan of how she wrestles like she's 7ft tall despite being one of the smallest in the division. Her match at Survivor Series 2017 where she's physically dominating Charlotte Flair and throwing her around just looked stupid.
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    Meiko Satomura

    I find her to be the ultimate attrition candidate. She doesn't have as many classics as you might expect from someone of her reputation, but the amount of really good matches over a 25+ year period now is colossal, and she's still adding more having just started an NXT run. Plus she seems to somehow never get injured. By 2026 she may have had more good matches than anyone in wrestling history. I have seen her live a few times in the UK, since 2016 she's really added to her case by touring the European indies fairly regularly. I'm going to try watch as many of those matches as there's a lot of fresh opponents in there. Also as we seem to have just missed it last time around, her match against Io Shirai on 12/23/15 was (along with the Kairi matches) important to introducing her to a new generation of fans.
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    Bayley

    Another match from this run people should watch is the 02/10/16 title defense against Carmella. Again it's just 'good', but I struggle to think of a single above-average singles match Carmella had had in her whole career at that point and for a good few years afterwards as well. Asuka and Charlotte in 2018 couldn't get anything decent out of her. That whole 2015-16 title run was Bayley facing limited/green workers and getting career matches out of them.
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    Johnny Gargano

    You really saw a horrible vision of the future here. Unless he digs himself out of this hole pretty quickly I can't vote for Gargano. My usual way of thinking for this is every wrestler I'm considering for this has a timespan where they make their case, and at some point I draw a line. I'll give them a bit of a bonus if they continue having some great performances after they're old, but I won't penalise them for not being very good when they're past their prime. With Gargano though, as far as I'm concerned this still is his prime, he's just filling it with terrible matches. I'm gonna have to take that into account as much as I disqualify Triple H for having so many bad matches in the 00s even if there were some great ones in there too. It's a shame because the Takeover: Toronto match with the Revival and the Andrade match in Philadelphia are two of my favourite WWE matches ever. I don't take those away from him. They're just dragged down by all the horrible matches since where he seems to have learned all the wrong lessons. He's been the centrepiece of NXT's change of style which killed the show for me, a show I used to watch every week in 2014-17.
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    Matches enhanced by their endings

    JoeG is talking about the April match, Kawada is talking about the July match. Both awesome finishes.
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    Who Are the Best Hubs?

    I know 'Ric Flair' is a boring answer at this point, but he really does have a match on tape with the majority of non-Lucha candidates right from the 1970s to the early 00s, and you know his opponent will be bringing their A Game most of the time because they're wrestling the NWA World Champ or at least a legend in a big match. I also think there's more variety in his matches than a lot of people think. Some of them are his 'formula' match, but that also usually tells you that his opponent wasn't a top worker at the time (or at least Flair didn't consider them to be), but then there's matches like the Ricky Morton or Wahoo McDaniel matches which are completely different and are essentially showcases. In a lot of ways Daniel Bryan is the spiritual successor to Ric Flair, he covers this ground from the early 00s onwards (including the lack of Lucha opponents...) A less obvious candidate for this I'd say would be Roderick Strong, who I'm gonna be pushing as a Top 100 guy later on. He's not as good a wrestler as Bryan or Flair but he has consistently been having very good-great matches in numerous promotions for about 15 years now. A similar guy to Kenta Kobashi but for a later time period is Jun Akiyama. He's right there through most of 90s All Japan but he's also a (though never the) top guy in NOAH throughout the 90s and most recently has had recent runs in All Japan and DDT as well. The fact that he's never been anything less than 'good' pretty much his entire career is a bonus too Mick Foley will get you across 90s WCW, ECW and WWE plus a bit of Japan as well. He has a nice habit of turning up in promotions just as their in-ring was getting better. These are some more names if you're looking at a specific promotion/era. Post-2005 WWE men - John Cena or Rey Mysterio 2000-2005 WWE (weird transitional time) - Eddie Guerrero 1996-00 WWE - Mick Foley WWE "Women's Revolution" era - Sasha Banks 1995-01 WCW - Diamond Dallas Page 1991-95 WCW - Dustin Rhodes ECW - Sabu 2002-2013 TNA - AJ Styles 2002-09 RoH - Bryan Danielson 2010-17 US Indies - Chris Hero 2001-10 US Indies - Low Ki 2010s UK & Ireland Indies - Will Ospreay Post-2007 New Japan - Hiroshi Tanahashi 90s New Japan - Hiroshi Hase 90s All Japan - Kenta Kobashi 1974-91 All Japan - Jumbo Tsuruta WOS - Steve Grey Stardom - Mayu Iwatani 2001-2018 Joshi - Meiko Satomura 1993 - 2001 Joshi - Aja Kong 1980 - 1993 Joshi - Devil Masami
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