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Owen is in because he ran a territory people know about and have seen and we're getting to a point where that is enough for a good chunk of people. How many major territory promoters aren't in at this point?

Longevity and owning the building aren't negatives, but they're pretty much his entire argument.

If Don Owen is in the Hall of Fame for promoting Portland, shouldn't Buddy Rose be getting reconsidered for being the best wrestler and biggest star of that territory? He won't and I don't really think he should, but I also don't think Don Owen should be in the hall for longevity and the foresight to own the building they shot TV in.

I'm sure MLW will settle out of court and end up with some cash and the rights to battlebowl.

The Kofi match. for me, is the crowning achievement of his career. He convinced people that they had wanted Kofi to be world champ for years and then it culminated in a great match on Wrestlemania. Also, not sure why Miz is taking so much heat in this thread. In terms of being a good wrestler, he's closer to Bryan than he is to Bray Wyatt.

I watched a ton of 205 Live from last year in the past few weeks, it's a fun show. It's mostly indie vet vs PC recruit, and some of them can get rough, but generally, its a good show. It's also a showcase for a lot of the new people that are gonna show up in NXT. The Grayson Waller thing sort of came out of nowhere, but having watched his stuff on 205 Live, it's, like, oh this dude is good and now I can see why they went with him.

I do think there's a bit of a "Public Enemy is the best tag team in the world" stuff that goes along with a lot of the AEW stuff, but the stuff Bryan did with Roman in WWE before he left was also great. So it's not all hype and sure he's being given opportunities to have the sorts of matches that no one else is, but he's been on a pretty incredible run.

I thought it was Arisa Nakajima, pretty handily.

I don't know what these NCAA athletes are thinking or how they're going to work out, and I have no clue if WWE's plans will work out, but if you look at who they want to sign and the things Nick Khan says publically, they see the PC as a recruitment tool for the sort of athletes they want. Brookside and Smiley teach the beginner classes, I believe.

I think the idea of WWE not signing indie guys is overblown, if you look at the video from the recent tryouts, there are for sure indie wrestlers there, Josh Bishop sticks out to me, but these NIL programs and the recent classes at the PC, are full of NCAA athletes who they want to turn into wrestlers, and whether the athletes actually want to be wrestlers or are there just to take the money, I don't know. But, WWE is signing them because they want them to be wrestlers, and if you've seen the sort of facilities NCAA sports teams have, they'll have no chance of recruiting anyone from those programs with a ring and some free weights in the warehouse and some territory wrestler pontificating at them.

There's no way, under the current vision, they get rid of the PC. How are you going to recruit NCAA athletes and non-wrestling fans to sign with WWE without a facility like the PC. Setting up a ring in Stanford or some warehouse with Norman Smiley isn't gonna get people in the door.

I'm sure somebody else can buy the PWG DVDs from highspots and write a memo for Nick Khan.

That Big E promo and him not winning the 4-Way seems like he's winning the Rumble.

I like Black Terry, but he's not one of my GUYS. That being said, when the third beer bottle of the match gets broken to be used as a weapon during the match, you know shit is real. And then an almost 70 year old dude gets a car windshield smashed over his head, and somehow that's not the end, and it builds to a fuck finish. Its not an all-timer for me, but it is totally worth going out of your way to watch.

I had Go Shiozaki as my number 1 at the time, and think its a fine pick. He was consistently great everywhere: NOAH, DDT, a weird match with Nanae in Seadlinnng. But, that was a cowardly pick, I should have had Shinya Aoki at #1. The best MMA fighter in pro wrestling run ever. Tapping guys in seconds, slick transitions, guys selling his submissions like death. Now, he's completely lost all of that, but in 2018 he was awesome.

Was just thinking about this. The indies were really great in 2016 and especially the Evolve guys were on fire. Hero, ZSJ, Matt Riddle, Tim Thatcher. Hero especially was everywhere and killed it everywhere, except for his tag matches which are always at least 5 minutes too long, but his run as elder statesman of the indies ruled.

His run in Evolve around 2015-2016 is maybe his best run. Great stuff with Drew that leads to a feud in maybe the most indie looking cage of all time, an all-time with Zack Sabre at Evolve 45, and some strong stuff with Thatcher. I remember thinking he was the maybe the best wrestler in the world around that time.

Since I've been enjoying Ram V's run on Swamp Thing, I checked out Paradiso, a comic he did for Image. It only goes 8 issues, and Ram seemed to indicate that he didn't feel like it was successful on a financial or creative level, but I really dug it, and it has me interested to check out some of his other stuff, including a run on Carnage, a character I don't recall care about, starting soon.

i dont know, the crowd in the building seemed to be fine with it

I thought that ruled, totally surprised Brock won.

I'm not sure that shootstyle Sakuraba is better than Billy Scott, and I love Billy Scott, but I'm not voting for him GWE, and excluding Sakuraba's post-prime run in NJPW and NOAH, which I think is mostly meh, their output is similar.

thats kind of his deal, its grown on me. I'm a fan.

during the match? Pat McAfee, the Smackdown commentator.

Ridge Holland is cursed

They don't test asymptomatic vaccinated people, it's what all the other sports leagues are doing. Their protocol is almost exactly what the NFL is doing.