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Big Jim strikes again

You know, it's really fucking wild how over Hogan was in late stage WCW. From the time he comes back in the red and yellow all the way to Real Ass Terry Bollea to Bash at the Beach 2000. It's all terrible programming, objectively bad, yet he's signifcantly more over in his second face run in WCW than the first. Quite baffling really.

They already do this on Peacock and they're never going to go back to fewer ads, be it commercials during PPVs or every inch of the arena covered in logos.

He probably should take a full year off and try to heal his knees up a little and I think he got more eye surgeries after leaving NJPW this year, too.

Terrible for fans. They trained their audience for 10 years to never pay that much for PPVs again. First it was $9.99, then it was $4.99 on Peacock (and free for most Xfinity customers). And that was with all the back catalogue on Network, and then all that PLUS all the stuff on Peacock. Now, $30 a month for PPVs on ESPN, which has fucking no content besides talking heads yelling at each other. In terms of actual live sports, they split every major sport in the US with NBC/CBS/Turner and have the least of each. In terms of international, it iss just US distribution 90% of the time. Maybe it's worth ESPN streaming whatever version if you really love college football bowl games, I guess. After next year, to keep up with WWE you'll need $30 per month for ESPN, $20 a month for Netflix for Raw, however much for Youtube TV or Hulu, whichever has SD replays. That shit is going to add up real fucking fast and a whole bunch of young kids super into WWE are going to drop out because their parents can't afford all that shit plus whatever other services like Disney. 5 years of that and when the deal runs out, shareholders probably aren't going to be as thrilled when business is down as they've been unable to grow the younger audience because they priced them out. I also would not at all be surprised if it gets treated like UFC PPVs have with ESPN, where you have to pay the ESPN streaming platform price, then the UFC PPV price on top of that.

I believe it's the opposite with ADR, that they absolutely will not be using him anymore and he's out. But otherwise...I don't even know what to think about the crowds. I would think even at most casual of wrestling fan (and the prices for WWE tickets, I don't know how casual fans could afford to be the ones going to shows) would have to have some awareness of why Brock has been missing and not mentioned for 2 years, why Vince got pushed out, HHH keeps finding himself at Trump admin events and hearings. It is very confusing for me to make sense of the crowd booing the shit out of Trump on screen, while also begging HHH to spit on them, all the Hogan chants and merch, and losing their minds for Brock in the same weekend. I'm not sure it is fair to blame the whole audience for not knowing or paying attention or even caring that much about any of it. Sure is fair to blame the people at the top, though.

Cody was laughing about being asked about Vince with Bill Simmons just this week. I'm sure they changed their post show to avoid being asked questions they didn't like about Vince, Trump, and the host of terrible PR they've been doing all year. I'm sure the return of Brock would immediately get questions about Vince in a presser.

Miracle match from Cena considering how terrible his matches not just this run, but the last like 4-5 years he's popped up have been. Also shows how completely unthought out this heel turn was and is an all time fumble that no one wanted in his final run, they just wanted to get some Super Cena shit on his way out one last time. Half his farewell run completely wasted. Fucking hard pass on Brock. Unless he's going to work like it's 2003, could have gone the rest of my days not seeing him again.

Weird to make night two Uncensored 2025 with all but one match a gimmick match when there weren't any gimmick matches on night one. Also weird that Becky/Lyra for the IC was longer than the WWE and World title matches combined. They really made sure to make people know night 2 was the real show, including HHH and Steph having to be all up in the videos.

It's so fucking crazy how the only thing they seem to give a shit about is social media stars and adverts. If you aren't a regular watcher, you have no idea what any of the storylines are because they are paywalled on their main US platform, the announcers then do not follow up on details during entrances or the match because they're doing ad reads. They couldn't give me 25 seconds to tell me why the fuck Jellyroll and Logan Paul are wrestling at Summerslam, but did have time to give the rundown on viewership numbers for Jellyroll's wife's podcast and its rankings in iTunes.

I lol at how The Outrunners are very clear comedy gimmick team, but then you put them with actual good teams like FTR/Bucks and all their comedy shit works in a real way of great matches that can do big 80s spots but also PWG spots and it all works. While dressed as Newports. Lmao.

Seems like we've come to a tacit agreement that this is the fuck Terry thread, the other one is the let's talk about Hulk thread.

Post WW1/2 nutrition might actually be a legitimate factor in this

Hogan's legacy in the WWE version of wrestling history doesn't even make much sense. How could he be the one to take wrestling out of the smokey bingo halls while they also talk about Bruno selling out MSG for a decade, and the McMahon family promoting at MSG since the 1950s?

Totally agree, his work as an entertainer can be re-assessed later, as with all entertainers that are sacks of shit. What he's being remembered for right now is for the important thing: how he was as a human. And it wasn't good, brother. There's a reason why none of the tweets from people in the industry mention anything other than how big he was in the industry and entertaining to fans.