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Cornette has gotten an injunction (from his attorney Robert Shapiro!) forcing Bob Armstrong to reveal the longtime mystery commissioner. It's...Scott Armstrong. Out in a jogging outfit and glasses. Yeah, that's a letdown, and clearly not the original plan. Jim and Bob are always gold, though.
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Dundee is sporting his old American Eagle tights, while Doug Gilbert is sporting a ghastly pink and white horizontally striped singlet & tight combo. Fun action involving the Florida State helmet, a boot, a pole, and a broom, among other plundah, before Dundee cold cocks Scott Bowden for the pin. That doesn't stop the action, though. Tommy Rich is out to talk about an upcoming USWA title defense against Buddy Landell. Rich is far more low-key and philosophical than usual, talking about his past partnership with Dundee, but I smell swerve. He's trying to guilt-trip Dundee into teaming with him instead of Lawler & Christopher. Dave and Corey ain't buying it. Intriguing development. Contrary to Memphis' reputation, in 4 years' worth of Yearbooks Dundee has not turned heel or even really teased a heel turn, not even during the feud with Danny Davis. This is the first inkling of such since the mid-'80s. Hey, the Dream Machine is back! HE wants to team with Dundee. I question the veracity of Graham's claim that he and Dundee sold out the Philadelphia Spectrum and the Superdome. He calls out Dundee for a hug and I smell another swerve. Dundee is committed to helping Jerry Lawler, but Graham points out that Christopher just accidentally clocked him and that he not-so-accidentally broke Dream Machine's ankle. A fed-up Graham eventually clobbers Dundee from behind and the heels are out to put a whooping on Dundee and Christopher. TERRIFIC angle--it ends in typical Memphis fashion, but Dundee & Graham have tremendous chemistry on the stick and they threw in a few new wrinkles to keep you guessing during and after the angle. Is Dundee going to see their point about Lawler or not? The Superstar is a huge breath of fresh air in a Memphis promotion that had been hot but was starting to grow stale again.
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Good Lord, we're getting *recaps* of vignettes now. IRS finds out a recently deceased individual claimed his daughter's birthday party as a business expense, and has consequently dug up his grave. I can imagine Chad and his co-workers using this sort of logic on departed Georgia taxpayers ("Can't we have one meeting that *doesn't* end with us digging up a corpse?"). This has invoked the wrath of the Undertaker, naturally. Hands down THE most random feud of Undertaker's career, and that's saying something. He feuded with giant monsters non-stop from 1991 to 1997, with one exception. Who on earth could POSSIBLY have bought IRS as having a chance in hell against this guy? Bret & Bulldog are out for the Heartbreak Hotel, but don't get to say anything before being interrupted by Owen & Mr. Backlund. Backlund says something about blood being thicker than water as it relates to the Hart brothers that doesn't quite make sense, and Bret's quizzical reaction is priceless. Backlund points out that he was up INSTANTLY after Bret Hart, like a craven, procured the Sharpshooter on him. When the pain macerates through Bret's body like a cancer and the towel flies in, Backlund will be champion once again. Bret reacts coolly and calmly. Much better segment than the King's Court, thanks to Bret and Backlund's involvement.
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Sullivan and Avalanche are legitimately 2/3 of what *could* be a decent heel stable to feud with Hulk & friends, but Beefcake is a total millstone. Hell, even the heel beatdown post-match starts off good until Beefcake's sleeper just kills everything, despite Tony and Bobby's best efforts to sell it. It simply isn't 1975 anymore, nor was it 2005 and the peak of UFC, and the hold had been killed off.
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[1994-11-16-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXIX] Vader vs Dustin Rhodes
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Talk about something that deserved a full-fledged PPV program. This was tremendous--Dustin leveling Vader with punches while Tony Schiavone orgasms is one of my favorite Tony calls ever. One of the best sprints of '94--I think this has to be Dustin's best year as a worker, just great performances and big-time matches all over the place.- 10 replies
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[1994-11-15-ECW-TV] Cactus Jack & Mikey Whipwreck vs Public Enemy
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Cool closing stretch here. Both of these matches were finish-only but this was two straight instances of Public Enemy looking halfway-decent. Plus one of the first OH MY GODs from Joey Styles. PE regain the tag belts and injure Mikey in the process. Afterward, Cactus refuses to go for the tag titles with any tag partner, but Mikey's mother has said that he can't come home until PE are out of wrestling, so he's found Cactus a new partner. Cactus is reluctant, but Mikey starts slapping him and telling Jack that if his partner turns on him, he'll kick his ass! The little guy is growing up before our eyes. Kevin Sullivan will be coming back to team with Jack next month.- 5 replies
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[1994-11-07-WWF-Raw] Bret Hart & Davey Boy Smith vs Owen Hart & Jim Neidhart
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Neidhart had a house show run against Bret at the time. They also had a few matches against each other *before* the Hart Foundation, when Bret was an undercard babyface. -
[1994-11-07-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon announcement / King's Court: 1-2-3 Kid
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Vince wouldn't be Vince without some degree of blind optimism, but I wonder how he was able to reconcile that with the fact that Bob Backlund was his #1 heel, King Kong Bundy was getting heavily pushed, and he'd made Sgt. Slaughter into a main eventer shortly before. All three of those guys were older and appeared far, far more washed-up than the MegaPowers.- 13 replies
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This is almost approaching urban-legend status for me. It was mentioned in a Scott Keith rant so it may have been fabricated entirely for all I know, but I've never yet found it on Youtube or DM or anywhere--and I have looked, trust me. But if he saw it then it must have been on a syndie show that aired in Canada. I'd say their Clash VII debut is a must, and maybe throw in their destruction and unmasking at the hands of the Skyscrapers as well--it's very quick and shouldn't really bump anything else.
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Well, I'm 0-for-3 on those, but running down the WWF PPVs and TV that I remember, because this is in my wheelhouse. Still, '89 was a shit year as far as in-ring action goes and I know AJPW and WCW are going to dominate this set, so... Oh, and I'm going with this system: *** - must-include ** - should be included, but can be cut if space is short * - nonessential, something extra to include if you have room Also note some matches will get * or ** for the whole match but the finish is ***. Royal Rumble *** - Rude-Warrior posedown. The start of Warrior's definitive feud. The Rumble itself needs to be handled a little outside-the-box. The match itself is hardly worthy of being on in full. "Finish only" doesn't work--the finishing stretch is the worst and least consequential part of the match. The selling point was seeing Hogan, and that's in the middle. And you also have the opening. I know this board has gone to war over Demolition, but Ax vs. Smash is an iconic moment in history and something that really set the Rumble apart as a special and must-watch event. So I'd handle it like this: *** Intros and Ax vs. Smash. Cut when Andre comes out. This is 5 minutes of material, so no reason not to include this. *** Come back in at Hogan's entrance. This will include Hogan eliminating Savage and their confrontation, the Hogan/Boss Man showdown, Hogan's elimination, and Hogan yanking out the Boss Man. Cut after they both make it to the back. * DiBiase's entrance to Studd's win. Total shit show, include it if you feel the need to show who won. WrestleMania: * Rockers vs. the Twin Towers. Maybe a **-worthy inclusion considering the love for the Rockers on the AWA set and these Yearbooks, and it's a look at them against a different team. Features possibly the greatest clothesline in WWF history. ** Brain Busters vs. Strike Force (***finish). Decent-ish match with some Crockett tag touches, but if pressed we can cut to Santana nailing Martel. ** Piper's Pit. A LONG segment that I'm torn on considering the quality of stuff going on elsewhere in the world, but I think it needs to be here. Piper's return was that big of a deal. Probably Brother Love's high watermark and I found the payoff with the fire extinguisher legitimately funny, even if most of the rest of this was cringeworthy. * Rude vs. Warrior (***finish). Not as good as their future matches but the whole thing could be included for comparison purposes. The shock finish is a must. *** Hogan vs. Savage. Duh. SummerSlam: *** Brain Busters vs. Hart Foundation. Very divisive match, but one worth seeing regardless of how you feel about it. ** Martel/Rougeaus vs. Rockers/Santana. *** Warrior vs. Rude. Best match of the series, likely the WWF MOTY. *** Hogan/Beefcake vs. Savage/Zeus. A true Pat Patterson special, maybe even more impressive than the WM6 main event. Survivor Series: Holy Christ, what to do about this. This is hands-down the least consequential PPV in the pre-In Your House era. * Finish to Enforcers vs. Dream Team. Dusty sells a Crockett-worthy beatdown with the Boss Man's nightstick. * I'll take a different tack for Hulkamaniacs vs. The Million $ Team: beginning only. The match was all about Hulk vs. Zeus. They both start, Zeus dominates Hogan, Zeus quickly gets DQ'd. You can cut the rest. ** Backstage interview with Hogan & Beefcake. Sherri comes in, throws powder into Hulk's eyes, and Savage & Zeus attack. * Ultimate Warriors vs. The Heenan Family. A standout performance by the Brain, and the Rockers are there, but the match as a whole drags. The finish is nice but sort of plays heavily on Heenan constantly sneaking in and out during the match. This whole show could seriously be skipped and the Yearbook wouldn't suffer. The Hulk/Zeus stuff is the only part that's close to essential. The Heenan match has a bit of a rep, the rest is window-dressing. No Holds Barred; The Movie/The Match: Hulk/Beefcake vs. Savage/Zeus, Cage (***finish). Not essential, but the Zeus storyline gets blown off for good (or at least until Uncensored '96). I'll try to go over TV stuff later. Sadly Graham's Superstars results aren't as in-depth as they are in some ofher years, in terms of what segments were on what show. The 1/16 Prime Time has a rare on-set angle with the Brooklyn Brawler debuting and laying out both the Rooster and Gorilla Monsoon, which definitely needs to be there. And to close the year, try to fit in some studio stuff from the 12/25 episode. That has Bobby Heenan having to play Santa Claus as the result of losing a bet, and after being in the Christmas spirit most of the show he cuts a promo on Santa that's absolutely riotous. One of the funniest bits he's ever done, and it even has some significance as Piper beats him up and gets suspended from hosting duties. If there was one thing the '90 set was missing, it was some classic Gorilla/Bobby studio banter, so some nods to that would be welcomed.
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[1994-11-12-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Hulk Hogan
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Okerlund actually tries to set this up as a somber, introspective set piece from his tone, but Hogan's having none of it. Hogan says the word "earthquake" so many times I'm surprised WCW wasn't slapped with another lawsuit. Hulk whines about all he's done for Beefcake in the most obnoxious manner possible. AWFUL promo that plays pretty much the exact opposite way that it needed to. Beefcake, as best I can tell, was never given any real motivation for turning on Hogan other than vague references to Hogan "not standing behind him," and because they had a plot to move along.- 6 replies
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[1994-11-12-USWA-TV] Interview: Tommy Rich & Eddie Gilbert
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
RIP Sir William, we hardly knew ye. Rich invokes the old-time Memphis tag team of Bill Dundee & George Barnes, and how Dundee's career hit the skids once Barnes left. Dave: "Your recollection is different from that of most of the fans here." Three good, quick promos in a row. -
[1994-11-12-WWF-Superstars] Interview: Jim Cornette, Yokozuna & Mr. Fuji
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Good job of Cornette of rising above this material. They pretty much outright say that the loser of this match will be gone from the company. -
The high watermark for ECW to this point, or maybe any point. Peaches informing Sandman that she's "changed" since he last saw her, and Sandman's response ("Peaches, I don't care how fat you've gotten..."), were LOL-worthy. I had totally forgotten about that. Woman clobbers Peaches with a Singapore cane, Sandman "blindly" takes out Tod Gordon and is about to feel Woman's wrath when Dreamer makes the save. Off come the bandages, off come the shades, and Sandman clobbers Dreamer in the back in an AWESOME-looking spot, even if it looked like a sure concussion. Styles for the first time in his life actually explains everything well--they got Dreamer to dedicate his career to them, so he could take out Tommy Cairo for them, and lured Peaches back to take her out as well. Woman and Sandman gloat in a tremendous promo, as Woman dedicates cigarettes to all their enemies--Dreamer, Cairo, Peaches, and the fans. "All your worries...up in smoke." A truly gruesome-looking Dreamer cuts a response. Kind of pandering, but the verisimilitude of the bruises and fat lip sort of masks anything Dreamer says.
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[1994-11-07-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon announcement / King's Court: 1-2-3 Kid
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Vince actually seems like he's having legitimate trouble getting through this. I can see both guys' views in this situation--Savage's second go-round as champ was a box office bomb, whether it was his fault or not. That said, shunting him off into the Bruno Sammartino commentator-who-occasionally-wrestles role was overkill on Vince's part. 1-2-3 Kid is only slightly better here than he was the first time around, but quickly Mr. Backlund is out before this goes too far. Bret comes out to ANOTHER tepid reaction.- 13 replies
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[1994-11-07-WWF-Raw] Bret Hart & Davey Boy Smith vs Owen Hart & Jim Neidhart
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Not nearly as spectacular as the Clique tag but I thought this was a pretty well-laid-out, well-worked southern-style tag match. But, the lack of crowd heat is un-ignorable--Bret doesn't get much reaction for the hot tag despite working a good house-afire sequence, and there's not much pop for the Sharpshooter or the submission either. From a pure work standpoint, though, swap out the Anvil for somebody better and you'd really have something. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the WWF didn't do just that soon enough... -
The first two falls of this were incredibly rushed, even by lucha standards. From the commentary it sounds like the whole PPV was running behind or just scheduled haphazardly. Los Gringos Locos attempt the same piggyback-Frankensteiner move the Japanese juniors did--they don't quite hit it either but they do come closer. It's when Santo eats the pin that this picks up--Octagon quickly recovers to save the technicos from a two-fall sweep and save the Santo mask, and Barr gets him back later by dropping him with a martinete, which takes Octagon out of the match figuratively and literally. That's followed by Blue Panther sneaking in and dropping Barr with a piledriver of his own, in one of the all-time great payback spots in the history of wrestling, and one of the best crowd pops. Santo does a great crawling, desperation pin of Barr to set up the one-on-one showdown with Eddy. Eddy probably does bust out a few too many finishers here, as though he were auditioning for a job with the Big Two, and Santo's winning pin is a little sudden, but it doesn't detract much from the story of the match. We've essentially seen a two-year build to this, going back to Love Machine's mask loss to Blue Panther in '92, and the payoff works. I've seen this match plenty, but I'm finally now coming around to the idea that Barr could have been something in the U.S. just on the basis of his personality and where wrestling was headed, with spots opening up for smaller and more athletic guys. The WCW production values really elevate this as well (now THERE'S one for the George Carlin "Phrases You Never Hear" file), particularly the EMTs' work over Octagon on the outside and the learned commentary from Cruise & Tenay. One of the two lucha matches of the year, along with Espectrito/Sagrada. This is essentially the lucha equivalent of Warrior vs. Savage, a match that's booked just about letter-perfect and plays every right note that you want in a blowoff, which is enough to elevate it over whatever individual faults are in the match itself.
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Vader does a great job of putting over Dustin before bringing him back to reality. Vader calls out Hogan to boot, and it's hard to argue with him. "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR WILL? Stand up and be a man, or go back to Hollywood with the rest of those sissies, punk!"
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
PeteF3 replied to Bix's topic in Megathread archive
You can't copyright news, or facts, or rumors. The daily updates aren't lifted wholesale, they're paraphrased. You can't sue somebody for posting an email either--once you send it, the expectation of privacy is effectively waived and the receiver is free to do with it as he wishes. Scherer is full of shit. It takes a special brand of dumb to make Keith look like a sympathetic figure of virtue. -
There's another match with Kabuki that's easily the most one-sided match I've ever seen Brody involved in where he isn't working on top. Kabuki kicks his ass non-stop from the opening bell, then when Brody gets one hope spot in, Kabuki immediately mists him for the DQ and Brody is back to selling like he's dying. World Class must have had the same effect on Brody that the red sun did on Superman.
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Splitting hairs a bit (or a lot), but where does Aja Kong fit into this conversation?
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I've heard Meltzer (I think) say rather bluntly, "The Rock 'n Rolls worked one tour and weren't invited back."
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Looking back two years later, Borne's promo was Bo Dallas before Bo Dallas was a thing.
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For the sake of posterity I'm assuming this is the infamous interview where Cactus declares that, "Boo isn't the first man whose love of pussy has led him astray."
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