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[1999-04-03-ECW-Cyberslam] Shane Douglas vs Justin Credible
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in April 1999
Yeah, yawn city here even as Douglas and Credible clearly are trying to have a good wrestling match. ECW Arena completely lost its charm when they made it over. I want the full Bingo Hall look and that security guard guy randomly walking around back. -
Candido looks awful and the crowd is sitting on their hands at the finish. We get another Tazmissionplex through the table and I'll at least give them points for consistency. I'd rather go through the "been there, done that" with the injury angle re-do than have it become Just Another Spot. The crowd chants "Fuck you Taz" as Candido is immobilized and taken out, so he dumps the stretcher and beats up Candido some more before choking him out as Joey laments the broken neck history of both Candido and Taz, while the fans are now suddenly cheering Taz again and singing along with his catchphrase. How did the ECW Arena trained seals not break *their* necks from whiplash? And just why is the champion decisively vanquishing his challenger supposed to make the title match at Hardcore Heaven more appealing to see?
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Axl Rotten whines about the WWF Hardcore title. Joey Styles hypes CyberSlam while dressed as Irwin R. Schyster. Shane Douglas again fails to grasp the concept of Pulp Fiction as a series of punchy, CONCISE little bits. And more Big Two whining. Super Crazy puts over ECW and its fans. Sign Guy Dudley and Joel Gertner play around with a camera to the consternation of the Dudleys. Buh Buh Ray weeps for he has no more worlds to conquer. Whoops, we're actually making history with this piece, as Joel introduces the Dudleys to STEVE CORINO, making his Yearbook debut. The Dudleys are nonplussed until Gertner informs them that he's carrying $5000, that's theirs if they take out Balls Mahoney for him. Doring and Roadkill do their usual bit. Super Crazy freaks out about something. Jerry Lynn, wearing glasses that make him look like Randy the Ram, has words for RVD. Lynn's not much of a talker. The Dudleys jump Balls and Axl in the locker room. A bad start to Pulp Fiction but it picked up towards the end--oh, it's not the end, because God forbid we don't hear from Storm and Credible. Oh, Lance is bickering with his tag partner--that's fresh. Dawn Marie continues her Beulah impersonation.
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[1999-04-03-MPPW-TV] Fabulous Ones, Stacy, Jerry Lawler and Bill Dundee
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in April 1999
I'm also enjoying this feud and the little shootish or worked-shoot digs each team is getting in on the other. Lawler wants to settle this once and for all on television but it descends into a brawl. Final hard-sell for the rematch in Jonesboro that evening. -
Two and a half years later, another point in support of this that Cornette has talked about is that Lawler, much like modern WWE, would never actually release anybody himself. So it got to the point where he was booking random mid-carders in 10-man tags in the second match of an MSC show. Wish we could have seen more of the match, but the Fabs do project as mid-life-crisis douchebags quite well. Plus the eternal conflict between Lawler and Dundee continues.
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The old "we just add a bit of color" defense from Bret, one of the more logical defenses of the business that goes back to the glory days of the NWA. Good ambassador appearance. Daniels doesn't look totally unlike Sting.
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I wasn't opposed to the WCWSN talk show format, but with the talk show format *and* long 2-out-of-3-falls main events it reeked of Frey and WCW trying to eat their cake and have it, too. You can either do a Southern version of TNT with non-wrestling guest commentators or have long, dry, technical main events, but doing both was a collision of worlds that didn't work. (Dave Casper, of all people, was another guest.) I believe Campus Crush was going to be a PPV from Boulder, Colorado.
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I thought that about Keith Hart as well, but as I listened to it I started to second-guess myself since the match they were describing seemed to be about the time Owen had his cup of coffee in WCW. I thought, "Well, it's possible he came in to work TVs as well..."
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Weirder smark obsession: Roman Reigns or Women's hair?
PeteF3 replied to stro's topic in Pro Wrestling
"Sports entertainment" on its own as a term isn't a big problem. The refusal to say "belt" on its own isn't a big problem. The insistence on using full names each and every time on its own isn't a tiny problem, but would probably be okay if that were the only entry in the WWE Talking Stylebook. Any one of these linguistic quirks we've gone over would be fairly easy to ignore. But when they're all beaten into your brain over the course of 3 hours, it's death by a thousand cuts. -
Road Dogg seems like he should have been disqualified twice, for using Blue Meanie as a foreign object and then hitting Goldust with the Meanie below the belt. Meanie interferes to give Goldust the Intercontinental title again. Goldust rambles about nothing in particular after the match.
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Not feeling the love for this, especially considering these two had a much better match last year. I like the idea of trashing the set in anticipation of the new changeover, but I don't understand brawling all over the place and then settling into Hogan working scientifically. There are ways to make that thematic change work but they don't do it here. Dumb finish with Flair wacking DDP with a Lance Storm-level chair shot, then DDP being out for like a 10-count after Charles Robinson refuses to count, Hogan cold cocks him, and Mickey Jay wakes up to count instead. I can't accuse anyone here of not working hard but the psychology was all over the map and the finish was more overbooked than the WM15 main event. Watch the post-Bash at the Beach match instead if you want a good one between these two.
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The bickering announcers were really distracting--Schiavone and Heenan are clearly visibly losing it at this point, though they probably both checked out mentally ages ago. Anyway, let's not let that get in the way of a terrific tag bout, one that teases ending in your standard 3-5 minutes, but Kidman kicks out and we go into a long (for Monday night TV) finishing stretch. Is Nash delegating the tag team booking to somebody else? All of a sudden after ignoring the titles for years, in the midst of all the other chaos going on, WCW has put together a nifty little group of teams going after the belts.
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This is instantly the most compelling program in WCW all year, so naturally it's practically forgotten about in 7 days. As it is, this *might* have been enough to salvage Bret since he has a compelling reason to go after almost any top guy on the roster, but both politics (predictably) and real life (in a way that no one could imagine) would intervene.
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Oh, hey, it's Chris Jericho. Is he still with the promotion? Well, not for long. Seems counterproductive for the *announcers* to be shitting on Canada, too.
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Canada's a pretty easy place to turn Flair, and evidently it's an easy place to turn DDP as well. The dynamics of this are still all kinds of messed up, as Page and Flair are cutting promos on each other even though both are supposed to be turning and even though Page still wants Scott Steiner. Hogan comes out and babyfaces himself to at least try to add some contrast to this mess. Oh, hey, it's Sting, is he still with the promotion?
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No, see, Nash says "angle" multiple times, so this is automatically interesting.
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Page's promo isn't bad but yeah, this setting is weird. Page refers to the near-crippling of his wife as a "fiasco." That's one way of describing it. Nash's lack of focus is pretty clear in these first two segments--if Page is turning then I'm not sure we even need to address the Steiner feud (unless he's turning too, which he isn't).
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Okay, the Fingerpoke was two months ago. Selling the match like it was an epic was funny a couple of times, but it's played out now. David(?) presumably now sees Hogan as his father. This tells us nothing and advances nothing.
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[1999-03-28-WWF-Wrestlemania XV] Steve Austin vs The Rock
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in March 1999
This held up *way* better than I was expecting. There were unnecessary bells and whistles in the match just like there were in the build-up, but the work was good, the match always kept moving even during the brawling on the floor (I liked how Austin broke up the "I have your head so you have to walk with me" stuff with occasional punches and kicks, just to keep things semi-realistic), and of course the molten crowd always helps. This crowd was so into the match that they were popping for near-falls off Samoan drops and chair shots. This Mania was shit on at the time, and at times it did feel like an episode of Raw that you had to pay for, but on the whole I think this show ended up being better than its rep. Edit: Late edit for posterity...the Observer polls had this at 125 thumbs up, 57 down, 45 middle, so reaction was more positive than I remembered. Online reaction tended to be worse, albeit divided. -
Meltzer was answering a different question than what was asked. He noted that he was "wrestling every night," but the story said that Strowman is due for elbow surgery. On the WON board Dave walked that Tweet back a bit and was digging further.
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[1999-03-28-WWF-Wrestlemania XV] The Undertaker vs Big Bossman (Hell in a Cell)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in March 1999
Philly is in open revolt for this farce. ECW is over and done with as a relevant entity but I'm not sure a chant a la King of the Ring '95 wouldn't be welcomed here. Of course the lasting image from this match is Michael Cole yammering, "IS THIS SYMBOLIC?!" as a man is ostensibly choking to death in front of his eyes. He's not "hanging the Corporation in effigy," you moron, he's ACTUALLY HANGING SOMEONE. -
[1999-03-28-WWF-Wrestlemania XV] X-Pac vs Shane McMahon
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in March 1999
Yeah, as swerves go this wasn't a bad one, and it actually served a greater purpose in setting up a future top heel, something they would need as a Rock face turn was probably inevitable. -
We're well into that stretch where any wrestler willingly handing a weapon to a "helper" from the outside is begging to be turned on. It happens to Kane here.