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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Things can change a lot in 20+ years. That said, Ross was quick to try to cover for the company when the Yellow Dog referred to "Johnny B. Gay" at the '91 GAB, so he was clearly cognizant of the issue before whatever this was, if it even had to do with gay people at all. -
"I still don't understand why I'm supposed to respect him for this. It doesn't take courage to take on a task too big for you to handle, in spite of all the experts saying that could not possibly succeed at this level in that amount of time, and predictably fail at it. There is nothing courageous or honorable about this, he deluded himself into thinking all of the critics were "haters" who were attacking him personally when in reality most of his detractors were right on the money. It's like if I have a dream of being a great computer scientist one day, so first semester of freshman year I take 400 level CS courses without doing any of the prereqs or having any previous background in math or science whatsoever. Instead I just used my connections to skip ahead of any of the normal barriers that would prevent me from doing this. Who cares, I did some precalc during the summer, anyone who doesn't think I can do this is just a hater. Not trying is the real failure, etc. So when I get a zero on my final do I get credit for just showing up? That doesn't make me brave, it makes me an idiot who ignored expert advice. The real lesson here, when you strip away all of the hero worship should be that having passion is not enough. Greatness takes years of hard work and dedication and most people can't skip steps. Don't take shortcuts. But fuck that, none of that feels heartwarming the way that "millionaire succeeds in his dream of making 6 figures by getting rolled over and punched around for 2 minutes" does."" --Some guy on reddit, who summed it up much better than I can.
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This was essentially Billy Crystal fantasy-camping it up with the New York Yankees, except if it took place in a regular-season game. Who are these people who are "orgasmic" at Punk losing? Are they posting here? Are they spreading outright misinformation or spurring a potential side discussion here? If not, why are we bothering with them?
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July 4 of '82. Maybe things are different because they may not have had plans to air the match afterward, but if they taped the Ole turn in '80 and they taped the Last Battle of Atlanta in '83...
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Yeah, almost anything from before about 1981 that didn't air on AJ or NJ Classics, or any JWA stuff that hasn't been released somehow already. JWA is absolutely crawling with major matches that aired on TV that haven't been seen since, including incredibly rare footage of guys like Danny Hodge in their prime.
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Different times. Things had changed from the Old West-type days of truly independent contractors, but wrestlers still had some semblance of leverage back then. In particular, the Roadies could have simply sat out the remainder of their contracts, which expired in June, and waited for big-money offers to come from New Japan or WCW (with Herd out and Jim Crockett back in power, Dave said they were likely to get signed if they wanted to jump).
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That quoted piece was from the Observer reporting the title switch. The story given to the attendees was that Jack Tunney had decided that the Disasters had gotten enough title shots and switched the match around. But the story later on TV was that Jimmy Hart double-crossed the Disasters and engineered the switch in challengers himself, prompting the Disasters face turn. Naturally with the change in direction, there was no way to air the footage even if they had it.
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Hawk was in fact suspended around this time, but I don't think I buy that story. I went back to re-check details in the Observer, and Dave reports that in fact they did tape the match, despite LOD's requests that no cameras record the bout. " The match lasted 11:49 with the finish coming with Hawk on the top rope about to give DiBiase a clothesline. Sensational Sherri (who won't be managing DiBiase & IRS as a team so I'm told and will strictly work as manager of Shawn Michaels who will be getting a big heel push) distracted referee Earl Hebner, while Earthquake and Typhoon rolled down the aisle. Typhoon hit Hawk with a chair and he fell into the ring and was pinned by DiBiase."
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The Money Inc.-LOD title switch definitely happened, but it was in Denver at a routine house show. It's possible that ringside footage exists like it does for the Mountie title win, but it never aired on WWF TV if it did because of a.) a request by LOD, and b.) the finish being unusable, since it involved the Natural Disasters interfering and costing LOD the match, which went against the change of direction the company went with for WM8--when they went to babyface Disasters vs. Money Inc. instead of Money Inc.-Slaughter/Duggan and LOD-Disasters in a street fight. It's possible that the footage simply wasn't catalogued since it wasn't going to make air. Now, what should be in there somewhere is the first Money Inc.-Steiners title change, since that was a dark match at a Challenge taping and not at a house show. A full or nearly-full version of Ric Flair vs. Jack Veneno is a must-include for a list like this. People have been searching for that one for years--one guy on CrazyMax claimed to have gotten it but was later revealed to be a scammer.
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It's the atmosphere. The heat and "look" of 1998 BattlArts absolutely sucks most of the time, with quiet crowds in Memphis Power Pro-worthy buildings. I had similarly superficial reasons for not really getting into PWFG.
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Doesn't appear that the whole show is online. I found the main event and the AJW match from a simple Google Video search and there may be more out there on a match-by-match basis. The All-Japan 6-man is in the Google Drive AJPW archive.
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It also put the kibosh on a sequel in 1996, which would have been headlined by Muto vs. Misawa with Muto having agreed to do the job. It's a pretty great card with a main event that could generously be described as underwhelming. The AJPW and AJW matches are two of the better matches for those promotions in that year. The W*ING six-man is a lot of fun, and a lot of other "fall out of bed" good matches from most of the other promotions. Also, Ryuma Go fighting hillbilly aliens.
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I swear to God they *did* bring Dick out of the mothballs for at least one show. I think he announced some home videos from '92 before they had a TV show. And man, if you're annoyed by the King of Philadelphia stuff *now*...
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I can confirm that my father suspected the POP might be the Road Warriors, though he wasn't 100% for sure and decided they weren't after seeing them 3 or 4 times. We didn't know they worked Crockett, much less their facepaint status or lack thereof there. It also wasn't until he took the paint off and changed his look that we identified the Barbarian as probably being a South Pacific islander.
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Last I heard Dave didn't even take OTC supplements anymore. jdw has been pretty emphatic about him not using steroids or anything else. Edit: "Lately"? Dave's been pounding the steroid drum for 30 years.
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How did he have a "job for life"? Why was he taking tickets in a Knoxville theater for years?
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Between the Sheets #58 (August 24-30, 2005)
PeteF3 replied to KrisZ's topic in Publications and Podcasts
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Stan Stasiak was from Quebec but not Montreal Ivan Koloff was from Montreal, though.
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Decent action here, with Rock looking good in defeat. This features a rare People's Elbow that's a.) set up by a Russian legsweep, which I've never seen before, and b.) is done toward and away from the hard camera instead of parallel to it.
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Among many, many things to love about this: how the heart rate monitor rapidly increases the speed of its beeping when Vince is told he has a visitor. The teases--both the nurse's telling Vince that a big guy threatened to beat up the orderlies if he wasn't let in, and Mankind talking about "some female entertainment, if you know what I mean"--are awesome. And of course, the historic debut of Mr. Socko. And then they top themselves. Clearly this was a night of backstage babyface attacks, but this is even better than some pretty good Nitro segments. They cram 3 or 4 super-memorable spots in the span of about 30 seconds.
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This is a good brawl that's worked like a match with control segments and comebacks, but I think they went to the backstage well once too often for one show as the crowd is pretty pissed off when it's apparent that there's not going to be a real match in the ring.
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Blink and you'll miss David Flair's Nitro debut. Sad to watch in retrospect but this was *another* good segment for the best Nitro in God knows how long--maybe a full calendar year or more. Bischoff's new personal secretary Elizabeth is forced into calling Ric on the phone. He gets Beth instead, and then the real Flair is out followed by the rest of the Horsemen when the NWO B-teamers try to swarm Flair. Hot followup to a hot segment--smart babyfaces, are they really *that* hard to book?
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[1998-10-05-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan looks in the mirror
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
The fucking Disciple just WON'T GO AWAY. Then we get the incredible moment where Warrior demonstrates his ability to make himself visible to everyone in the world except for Eric Bischoff, which has to be the most oddly compartmentalized superpower since Chlorophyll Kid. -
This got over huge and was another winner of a segment--what show am I watching? WCW really hit on something that almost *everyone* in that audience could relate to, in a way the company rarely ever did at this point. Getting browbeaten by your mother is almost as universal as wanting to stand up to your boss the way Austin did every week. Judy would quickly get overexposed both on- and off-camera, but her dropping Marcus with a slap was a terrific moment.
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Scott still hasn't found his voice yet.