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Decent action here, with Rock looking good in defeat. This features a rare People's Elbow that's a.) set up by a Russian legsweep, which I've never seen before, and b.) is done toward and away from the hard camera instead of parallel to it.
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Among many, many things to love about this: how the heart rate monitor rapidly increases the speed of its beeping when Vince is told he has a visitor. The teases--both the nurse's telling Vince that a big guy threatened to beat up the orderlies if he wasn't let in, and Mankind talking about "some female entertainment, if you know what I mean"--are awesome. And of course, the historic debut of Mr. Socko. And then they top themselves. Clearly this was a night of backstage babyface attacks, but this is even better than some pretty good Nitro segments. They cram 3 or 4 super-memorable spots in the span of about 30 seconds.
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This is a good brawl that's worked like a match with control segments and comebacks, but I think they went to the backstage well once too often for one show as the crowd is pretty pissed off when it's apparent that there's not going to be a real match in the ring.
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Blink and you'll miss David Flair's Nitro debut. Sad to watch in retrospect but this was *another* good segment for the best Nitro in God knows how long--maybe a full calendar year or more. Bischoff's new personal secretary Elizabeth is forced into calling Ric on the phone. He gets Beth instead, and then the real Flair is out followed by the rest of the Horsemen when the NWO B-teamers try to swarm Flair. Hot followup to a hot segment--smart babyfaces, are they really *that* hard to book?
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[1998-10-05-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan looks in the mirror
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
The fucking Disciple just WON'T GO AWAY. Then we get the incredible moment where Warrior demonstrates his ability to make himself visible to everyone in the world except for Eric Bischoff, which has to be the most oddly compartmentalized superpower since Chlorophyll Kid.- 3 replies
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This got over huge and was another winner of a segment--what show am I watching? WCW really hit on something that almost *everyone* in that audience could relate to, in a way the company rarely ever did at this point. Getting browbeaten by your mother is almost as universal as wanting to stand up to your boss the way Austin did every week. Judy would quickly get overexposed both on- and off-camera, but her dropping Marcus with a slap was a terrific moment.
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Scott still hasn't found his voice yet.
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A month in and the stench of death on Warrior is now so great that WCW won't even put him in front of a live crowd.
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Yeah, this was pretty great for the most part even though it was way, way overdue. This felt chaotic and out of control in a good way--organized chaos that still gets the point across. I hate Sting using a forklift because we've all expressed our thoughts on stunt driving, and Nash standing *under* the limo trying to get some sledgehammer shots in is one of the dumbest things I've seen on any wrestling program I've ever watched, but I liked this new pissed-off Wolfpack a lot. Kudos to them for having a reason for the camera being there on the bar-hopping.
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[1998-10-05-BattlARTS-B Cup] Yuki Ishikawa vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
Best BattlArts match ever and fuck anyone who disagrees. This is worked as a total Inoki-Singh tribute, with both guys doing all of their respective signature spots, but done with about a million times more panache and urgency. Ishikawa gets his comeback and pounds Matsunaga into dust before this can wear out its welcome. A million billion stars, minus one or two because of Matsunaga not even trying to hide his little stabby thing from the ref. -
I've never really gotten what "cheap heat" means--a discussion of such might be worthy of its own thread. The Dudleys have been accused of it in situations like this but you can't say they lack guts.
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Between the Sheets #57 (August 17-23, 1993)
PeteF3 replied to KrisZ's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I've heard stories of Herd and WCW wanting to go after the WWF's best workers in late '89, and maybe even running a weekly live show. Names that were connected to the story were Bret, the Rockers, and Ted DiBiase. Naturally I can't actually source any of this. Edit: And all of the Money Inc.-Steiners matches were good. -
There's no way on the planet they're giving up on either guy that quickly.
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And Sting strikes me as being a MUCH bigger star in '88 than '90. I'm guessing Clash I was the largest TV audience he wrestled in front of until the Nitro era and certainly bigger than anything in 1990. Also, '88 was more about the sky being the limit rather than 1990's sense of "okay, he's the champ, now what?" It wasn't his *peak* as a star, but he was definitely a bigger force earlier on than in his first run at the top.
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I'm having trouble quoting now too, but getting back to Kobashi: - I didn't say he should or would be the Ace, or even the Top Contender. - There's no rule in AJPW or otherwise that being "a" contender is the same as being the only contender. This isn't the 1994-95 WWF women's division--Kawada can be the main rival and Kobashi can still be seen as a contender. All Parv and I and Chad, to some degree, are saying is that Kobashi's run to the top was slower than it would have been in almost any other promotion. Even if Choshu was booking the company and held off just as long in putting the TC on him, he'd doubtless have gotten those trademark Choshu upsets over the top dogs earlier.
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Speaking only has some nobody who's watched all of 1991 and '92 AJ television and too many hours of Yearbooks, I have to side with Parv on the Kobashi issue unless there's something I'm missing. Most any other booker would have put him over Hansen in '92 or '93 and made him a legitimate Triple Crown contender not long after. The high point of Kobashi's 1993 from a push as opposed to a workrate standpoint seemed to be being the fourth wheel in his first Budokan main event and being gift-wrapped a pin in the final RWTL match.
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[1998-10-04-WWF-Sunday Night Heat] Interview: Vince McMahon
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
Vince is gutting it out after being readmitted to the hospital, with further updates to come tomorrow.- 3 replies
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This sucked and had half a dozen different spots that just age horribly: the babyfaces using Jason's limp body to perform fellatio on Lance Wright, Chastity being a "slut" because she interferes, Kronus making out with Nicole Bass in a spot designed to elicit disgust in everyone, Bass selling a low blow like a man, and then Chastity getting spanked. Rod Price is a dead ringer for the Kung Fu-era Billy Graham and is only slightly less washed up. It doesn't speak much for Credible that he has to be surrounded by this freak show at all times to give the illusion that he's somebody.
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[1998-10-02-ECW-TV] Late Breaking News: Mike Awesome injured
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
Seems like Awesome knew he was fucked as soon as he hit the floor. ACL tears are a beast, but a whole year absence does seem a little pessimistic. -
Bix's initial thoughts were correct--that was Victor Zangiev in UWFI and the "Carousel" armbar was his big specialty. I've found very little info on that last member of Team USA. His name as NJPW called him was either Mike Huff, Mike Haff, or Mike Hough (he was definitely listed by NJPW as Mike and not Mark--and it wasn't Mark Fleming, either). He wasn't quite 300 pounds but was otherwise a dead ringer for Gary Albright, right down to the red singlet. He had matches with Kengo Kimura and Saito that made NJPW TV or Classics.
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Yeah, Rock definitely should have done a clean job here and then everyone could pat themselves on the back about how Rock got over just by being in the presence of a legend. *cough* I didn't think the action here was bad at all, except for the blown first attempt at the finish. They should have changed gears and had Rock slip out of a tombstone or something after that.
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[1998-09-28-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon, The Undertaker and Kane
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in September 1998
Francois Petit begs for an ambulance while desperately trying to set McMahon's leg, all while Mankind offers Vince a sip from his Big Gulp. -
[1998-09-28-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon and Steve Austin
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in September 1998
One of the all-time high points of Raw, and even for a hot company this feels like the hottest it's been in months. Austin is back to being *dangerous* again, like he was in 1997. There's no hell yeahs, no turnbuckle posing, no pandering...just a straight-up asskicker who doesn't care. And then we get a gear shift as Vince decides to go back on his word to Undertaker and Kane and force them to fight for the title at Judgment Day with Austin as referee, then also throws them into a handicap tag match tonight for good measure. Everyone in this segment is absolutely awesome, but it might be Vince's best performance since his initial heel run in May. I love how he sells the Austin beating all the way through his second promo.