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What were they?

I think the wrestling brought those 1995 PPVs down for me.

Not all people have access to it here. USe the spoiler tag next time

The whole purpose of providing links is so I do not feel compelled to click on the link and read this crap.

Just gotta say it was funny reading how everyone was confused about Blood on the Sand. Good stuff.

I wasn't trying to imply he never had singles matches. I was just pointing out his position on the card.

There was also his Texas All-Star run, which preceded the AWA as I recall. I wasn't including his jobber run. He was also in Mid South. As for the breakdown, I was thinking more about position on the card and perception of Shawn. Clearly just a tag wrestler in the Rockers run. After that, he was at the IC level but not a serious contender to break through to the upper reaches even when he was performing in the ladder matches. In 1995, yo ucould see they werre positioning him for the main event run and the World title. In 1997, afte rlosing his smile, the feud with Bret, the perception even among regular fans was this guy was a smug prick. I don't think it's a unique or interesting way to break it down. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I think it would be interesting to break HBK's career down by period. Individually, I think he is hurt by poor matches, attitude, etc. As a collective whole, I can see why people love the guy. Midnight Rockers run - 1986-1992 Boy Toy - 1992 - 1995 Boyhood Dream - 1995 - 1997 DX - 1997 - 1998 Comeback - 2002 - 2010

A couple of notes... Most wrestling fans aren't going to take Goldust seriously as a wrestler because they are too hung up on the gay gimmick. No one watching WWF casually in those years was critiquing matches. They were critiquing his lifestyle. Nerds like us critique the matches. Using Dustin as a comparison to Shawn is completely valid. As far as worrying about making an argument to people outside of the board? That isn't the point and would be a wasted effort. The point is to make arguments to other members of PWO.

Phil and I have been watching house show handhelds the last couple of days and I would never miss an episode if they were actually showing house show matches.

OK, so to be clear, the headbutt, crossface, finger slash thing didn't happen in one match? Also, a freind sent me a PM saying it was like 3 people chanting Benoit? Was it a big group of fans or some fringe assholes?

Nah man, Babinsack is someone I just ignore. I could never ignore WP.

Babinsack has already been proven to be an idiot and a bigot. Why would it be a shock he enjoys Davey Richards?

Man, if there wasn't any more reason to hate this fucking company. Fuck ROH and if you enjoy Chris Benoit tribute wrestling, fuck you too.

With the AWA set and the Rockers matches, Shawn would probably make my Top 100.

Your posts indicate otherwise. Start discussing the Greatest Match of All Time.

That's fine. Someone else can come in and say that is your loss and continue the conversation. Saying that this is a pointless exercise becuase it is all completely subjective defeats the purpose of this board, creating "Who was better" topics and other similar threads. It is an exercise in debate and in wrestling exposure. If you don't want to debate or argue those things then stay the fuck out of a thread.

Also I am going to let this stand for about 24 hours then I am deleting the last 2 pages. If you disagree with the decision, create a new thread in the feedback folder you lazy fucking bastards.

No, I don't condone the name-calling but we have never enforced a name-calling ban on the board. The idea that nothing can be proven because it is all subjective is counter-productive to a meaningless discussion when this board exists and has multiple sub-forums that promote the idea of discussing the merits of good / bad wrestling. If the thread was dead then let it remain dead. Post a new thread about subjective/objective viewpoints and I don't have to read about it. You can start it off like this... I was reading the "The Historiography of the Greatest Match Of All Time" thread. *post link* I want to revisit the idea that there is objective/subjective blah blah blah blah wrestling. blah blah blah Sid is better than Bret blah blah blah.

Classy! We filled up over a page talking about this, in less than three hours, on a board which rarely sees that much concentrated activity. So exactly how much discussion were we killing? The original point of this thread was left behind way back on page two. Then it turned into a Shawn Michaels discussion, but you yourself opened up a new thread to handle that. And then you started the name-calling. What exactly have I derailed here? The point is that if you are tired of the the subjective/objective nature of pro wrestling... you can choose not to post and derail the thread even further. When someone posts a "greatest ____ of all time" post then people expect to discuss the merits of the argument. It is an exercise. If you come in with the "It is all subjective. Go Sid!" argument, it kills the discussion and exercise.

Agreed. Makes perfect sense to me.

Fucking nerds.

Once the AWA set comes out, there will be plenty of Adonis recommendations.

Big Show vs. John Cena (Cage Match) - The longer this match went, the more I realized one thing... I miss Mark Henry.

Ryback vs. Jobbers - I am with Johnny Sorrow on this one. Give me more Ryback... and Goldberg chants.