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Maybe so but Adonis made the gimmick work which is more than any other gay character I have seen since Goldust?? Hey, Dustin did a great job with the Goldust character but it was more of an androgynous is-he-or-isn't-he type character. Adonis was straight-up queen.

Quick questions so I can understand some of those ratings... When did WWF leave USA? When does the dog show come on (month)? Some of those numbers look to be holiday related in 2000. Obviously Xmas but also Valentines Day and the day before July 4th which could be due to vacations during that week.

Maybe so but Adonis made the gimmick work which is more than any other gay character I have seen since Can you elaborate?

Beautiful man. I wish other people would do the same and really look at a match like this. Keep in mind, I haven't seen this thing complete since last year. If I had held it under the microscope, I might have come to the same conclusions. With that said, I think if you did the same thing to Foley-Trips, Brock-Taker would still be the superior match. Then again, there is only one way to find out.... watch the matches.

I have been planning to do that match forever since it has such a bad rap but I have a write-up of Tenryu-Jumbo 6/5/89 that needs typing first. As for your comments on Brock-Taker, at the time, I wasn't a fan either. The month before, I watched the Brock-Taker match, and besides the ending, I thought those guys did a helluva job in that match even though I didn't like either at the time. Then when the HIAC happened, I thought it was very good and the net slammed it.... mainly because of the bias against the Undertaker. The same thing happened with the JBL matches. We hate JBL so we assume all of his matches are shit when they really aren't. That is what usually happens when you put a match under the microscope. I marked out for Benoit's title win like everyone else. A couple of months later I watched the WM main expecting it to be the great match I witnessed that night. It wasn't. That is really the difference between a great match and everything else. The great ones hold up long after the moment.

For the most part, yes. Then you deserve a Royal Rumble '03 Benoit-sized standing O!!! Watch Brock-Taker again. Much better than anyone gives it credit for. I may have to watch it and do a write-up to back up that claim. In all honesty, I think it holds up against the first one and is much better than Foley-Trips.

Some Guy... Who is being punished? If the $hitty gimmick makes the match sub-standard then so be it. You mentioned the Vader-Sting and Savio-Austin matches so if they can make it work, why can't others? I'll throw JBL-Eddie on there as well since I enjoyed it more than Savio-Austin. It is up to the workers to make it work. In some cases, you have classics like the Vader-Sting matches. I feel all of the HIAC matches are overrated except one... Brock-Taker, which is underrated. Who's fault is that? The workers of course. Maybe a strap match isn't usually entertaining or whatever because there are bad wrestlers performing the matches or good performers giving bad performances. It makes all the difference in the world. When I was a kid, I wanted to see Hulk Hggan hulk up. Now, I don't. I expect something different from the product. You had the casual fans who came and went with the Attitude era. You have people now more engrossed with storylines and crap than the actual matches. It really is a matter of what you want out of your wrestling experience. If you want "quality" wrestling then you should prolly be able to elaborate what makes a quality match based on certain criteria (execution of moves, logical progression, does the match make sense?). If it is for entertainment value then that is more subjective. I am entertained by quality wrestling. I love good brawls as well if they are logical... Eddie-JBL or Liger-Samurai for example. These matches can be compared to other matches. Why are we able to proclaim a match a MOTY if it needs a seperate category? Does that mean that any immick match wasn't really a MOTY because it has its own category? Of course not, a good-great match will shine through regardless of the gimmick. The gimmick will work for you or against you depending on the wrestlers. Yes you can. Does one match make sense while the other one doesn't? Did they both make sense? Was the execution in each match good or bad? Does the ending take away from either match? Were there any blown spots? Asking these questions makes it easy to compare any match. For cage matches, you might be able to do a compare and contrast with more depth but any two matches can be compared to each other. I think Funk-Jumbo from '76 is one of the best matches I have ever seen yet it happened thirty years ago. I would be more than willing to compare it to any match form any era. In fact, it has so much staying power that Jumbo-Tenryu incorporated a spot from that match into their '89 match and it made sense. I can compare those matches. I can compare matches from Japan with matches from the United States. I can compare that match from 76 to a match from 92 to a match from 2004. It can be done. Actually, War games and Elim Chamber are completely different in their goals. With the Elim Chamber, it is a glorifed overbooked piece of crap that looks cool. The WarGames is a double cage where the intent is to make the other team give up... the ultimate teamwork match. In the Elim Chamber, the goal is to be the last man standing after scoring a victory by pinfall or submission... every man for themselves, no teams. Yet because they both happen to be in cage structures, you can compare them to each other but jot other gimmick matches? These matches are different as night and day in scope, what they set out to accomplish, how they arew worked and how the wrestlers should think. Now, I agree they can be compared but not for the reasons I think you compare them. Whoa... the Chamber should involve long-term selling esp. when two of the wrestlers have fought for the entire match and the 6th guy comes in. If one of the first guys had his arm beaten to hell he should be selling it by the time the 6th guy comes in. If he isn't, that isn't the gimmick's limitation but the worker's limitation. I'll have to rewatch the Wargames matches to see if that is true. Then again, I don't think I have ever seen a Wargames that was a ***** match. If Arn no-sold it then that would be to the detriment of the match. This is the statement I disagree with the most. The quality is something that can be evaluated and looked at objectively. The entertainment value is the most subjective part!!!! It is why you can make statements such as... . You know a match may be a better match but yet you enjoy a sub-standard match because of the entertainment value. The part I won't argue with you on is what entertains you. This is why I am able to watch a movie but understand another movie may be better but I would not argue which movie was more entertaining. Loss... Yeah.

Dude, these were by far the four best wrestlers on the list. If you want some footage of them, PM me and maybe e can work something out.

Some Guy.... And when I compare wrestling matches, I compare them to other wrestling matches... regardless of the gimmick. Sometimes the gimmick enahnces the match, sometimes it takes away. Once again, ultimately, it comes down to being a wrestling match. Sometimes the gimmick enhances, sometimes it takes away. What would you rather watch... a Taker-HHH HIAC or an Eddie-Benoit Bullrope match? Ultimately, it is the wrestlers who determine how good the match is or if the gimmick is used properly. The JBL-Eddie Bullrope match was better than the Edge-Christian ladder match. I could name more such as HHH-Y2J HIAC, Taker-Mankind HIAC, etc. but the point remains... it is not the gimmick's fault if the workers can't incorporate the gimmick in a meaningful way and sometimes it isn't the worker's fault if the gimmick prevents them from having a 5 star match. Also, sick bumps may be entertaining but they don't necessarily make for a great match. Hell, CZW and other feds have proven that time and again. And I would compare these to any multi-person match. I would even compare them to a singles match or tag match. Ultimately, as long as you understand the context you can compare and contrast any match to another. It is what infuriates me about SK more than anything. ***1/2 for "entertaining crap" or *** + * for the angle AFTER the match. They are two different elements. For example, the Eddie-JBL match from JD 04 had a brutal beatdown that Eddie administered to JBL after the match. It worked and was entertaining but when the star rating goes off for me, it goes off when the match is over. You just gave examples of differences between the two matches. There are also similarities. Comparisons can be found. Both matches have weaknesses that can detract from it. On another note, of course they are different. It still doesn't mean you can't compare the two. Loss... Agreed. I don't have any problem with people giving the RUmble ***** but if you do then it should hold up to scrutiny. You gave Savage-Warrior ****+. I gave it less than *** but we both examined the match, disagreed about key moments and wht they meant. Ultimately, we both agreed about the Canadian Stampede main. It doesn't hold up under close examination as a **** powerhouse match. You're just being diplomatic. Right, but if you say that movie is a classic and I say it sucked, usually I'll give you a list of reasons or some sort of explanation of why it sucked. The same thing goes with music. The same thing can be said about art or food. I'll take the "why" over the "what" anyday. If people can't explain why they thought a match was a great match, I choose not to take their word seriously. This is why I don't seek out matches based on SK snowflakes. If CTC, Cooke, Loss, jdw, etc. recommend a match I would prolly jump to find it because I know they can and will back up their judgment. This doesn't mean that other people are stupid (some cases they are) or that they aren't real fans or whatever but at some point it becomes obvious that people are working on a different plane of understanding. F**k it, I'll call a spade a spade. What discussion is there to be had when there is no explanation? Agreed.

Right, and enough mess-ups and enough questionable talent would lead to a match not being *****. You can call the booking 5 stars, the moment a "Five-star moment" but I don't see how this match holds up against the best matches of all-time... it's not even the best gimmick match which I'll explain in a minute. No, you can lump all of those matches (Rumble, HIAC, Escape the cage, bullrope, etc.) under gimmick matches. Some gimmick matches suck (like Elimination Chamber) but does that mean the best of the shitty EC matches should be a ***** match? No. The Rumble gimmick has limitations from preventing it reaching the 5 star level and you mentioned them yourself. Sometimes, because of those limitations, it will prevent a match of that ilk from ever truly being able to hit 5 stars. Another example would be the old WWF cage matches. There was a ban on blood and escape rules only. It wasn't always the wrestler's fault that these limitations prevented them from having 5 star matches. You can absolutely compare Steamboat-Flair to the HIAC. You can compare the quality of the work, the selling, the common sense of their actions. If you have background knowledge of the story, you can see if they progress from previous encounters. You can see if goofy selling and illogical spots detract from the experience. If I think the entire Kane BS ending detracts from the match, that is a balck mark against the match, not the HIAC gimmick. If people are bothered by the double-pin from the Clash match then they can make an argument it detracts from the match. Just the other day, I was talking to Loss about Tenryu-Jumbo from 6/5/89 and Eddie-JBL from JD 04. Both matches are worked in completely different styles and different eras and have a different audience with different expectations yet I compared them to each other. I can compare the ECW clusterf**k 2/3 falls with the Magnum-Tully cage match even though those are completely different. Ultimately, good wrestling is good wrestling. Sometimes good wrestling does not translate to good tv. Look at Benoit-Malenko from Hog Wild 96. When I first saw that match, I loved it. Why? Because my wife was sleeping when I watched it so I had the volume on real low. When I turned it up, the experience changed. On the flip, sometimes mediocre or ok wrestling can translate to good tv depending on the circumstances... such as the Rumble or the Canadian Stampede main. It was a magic moment or a great angle, not necessarily a great match.

JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero (Bullrope Match) (Great American Bash 04) Ok, I watched this one a couple of weeks ago but hadn't seen the JD match. So, while I enjoyed it on first viewing, I went back and viewed it in its proper context and had a match to immediately compare it to. This one is slower to get started than JD. Whereas both guys came out with fists flying in the last match, they are more reserved here. While they both use the bullrope liberally in some nice spots (JBL's attempted hangman, whacking each other with the bell, the tree of woe corner choke) but it doesn't really start to heat up until they go to the outside. The biggest problem with this thinking is that the match can't be won on the outside. What's the point? Compared to JD, the action on the outside is alot slower. Can the bullrope be dragging them down that much? The match finally warms up after Eddie pulls on the rope to ram JBL into the ringpost. In a nice turnabout from JD, Eddie is the won who gets thrown over the announcing table and is able to grab a chair first. This leads to JBL's bladejob which is decent but nothing compared to Eddie's gusher. This is really the first big shot of the match and gives Eddie a bit of revenge. When they go back inside, both men trade attempts at going for the four corners. The inside action played up the gimmick and made for some great heat segments. In one nice spot, Eddie uses the rope to make JBL sing soprano. This was the first instance in the match where the opponent didn't simply cling to the bottom rope to prevent the opponent from touching the urnbuckles. This is follwoed up by an Eddie frogsplash. To prevent losing, JBL rolls out of the ring. Back outside, JBL is able to fling Eddie from the 2nd rope onto the Spanish Announcing table followed by a powerbomb. This leads to the finish where JBL wins after Eddie and JBL have both touched three corners and as Eddie attempts to leap over JBL to tag the 4th, JBL's back falls on the turnbuckle first. The crowd thinks Eddie won but Kurt Angle comes out to give the match a Dusty finish and makes JBL champion. The Good ---I normally don't care for gimmick matches but the bullrope made for some great heat segments. Once they got beyond clinging to the bottom rope, they countered each other's attempts with some nifty offense. The bullrope also made for some interesting offensive spots. The tree of woe in the corner, flinging each otherover the tables, whacking each other with the bell, obvious choking... all made sense in the match. It also allows the crowd to get involved as they count each corner. ---Once again, Eddie and JBL worked well off each other and gave as well as they got. My first assumption going into these matches was that Eddie would bump off of JBL and grab hope spots similar to the Lesnar match. This wasn't the case at all. Just like the JD match, the action never indicated one way or another who was going to win the match. I may have knwn the result but the give-and-take was enough to where either man could have won and the win would be credible. The Bad --- The gimmick falters. In each corenr, there was a light for each wrestler yet on a couple of occasions the light looked like it was malfunctioning. The crowd did a good job of counting the corners and keeping track without the lights. There was really no need for them Another problem with the gimmick was inconsistency in its application. early on in the match, JBL rams Eddie into the turnbuckle so, understanding the outcome of the match, it would only make sense for Eddie's light to go off or for the announcers to play that Eddie touched the corner. I understand that it was a simple spot but it was one where the gimmick interfered. This isn't so much a complaint as it is an observation. This match moved much slower than the JD match. In JD, Eddie was full of fire and never let up. Here, boh wrestlers were going 2/3 of the speed and you really got the sense that Eddie wasn't as motivated as he was during the JD match. Maybe he was disappointed over losing the title or maybe the gimmick imposed limitations that the wrestlers and the viewer just has to accept. Surprisingly, I think Bradshaw was the better wrestler in the match. The ending sucked. As I mentioned earlier, the lights were inconsistent early on and there was no reason to think eddie couldn't keep the belt. The Dusty Finish also seemed fitting on a PPV that has roots in the old WCW. Overall I know I was critical of this match, and it was still entertaining, but compared to Judgment Day, it does not come close. The JD match was a brawl that stands out for its violence, logic, and intensity. This match will probably be noted for the JBL title win and a few nice spots but I don't think it will stand the test of time. The gimmick both worked for and against the match. I think some of my complaints with the gimmick are fairly minor but they still drag the match down. If Eddie would have won, the match would still have som of the problems thatg I mentioned but the inconsistency of the rules would not have bothered me so much. If you plan on watching the JBL-Eddie matches, go in with an open mind. You will be entertained. On a sidenote, Loss and I were talking about famous brawls and I think I need to watch Flair-Funk "I Quit" to compare the JBL-Eddie Judgment Day match to another note-worthy brawl.

And there is part of the problem in your resisting this possibility. You simply don't like lucha. I can respect that. You need to see more lucha... not just the 7 minute NITRO matches we were accustomed to. Eh, if Rey was a WWE champion, he wouldn't be working a traditional lucha match. He would be incorporating a lucha flavor into his matches that would be worked WWE style. Just the way it is. Plus, with most of the scenarios different posters have mentioned, it doesn't seem like you would be watching a bunch of lucha moves with no context. The "6 (or 7) seconds of magic" was just an example of what could be done. Also, Low-Ki has done a variation of the move in ROH... just so you know. Once again, I refer to the Royce gracie mindset... this little guy should not be underestimated. hell, film a few vignettes of Rey going to the Orient or Mexico or Brazil to advance his training. It would certainly be more believable than any other crap that has been thrown out on SD! This still doesn't account for the fact that he is one of the most popular guys and would be someone I would be willing to bank on for putting asses in the seats if he was a featured player.

LEt me jump on the "This is no greatest Match of all-Time" bandwagon. I thought the Chi-Town match totally outclassed this one and the 2/3 match isn't even in the same ballpark it is so much better.

Well, it is about time!!!! As far as the DK-TM matches go, you fall in line with alot of the smarter fans' criticism of the series. The thing that made them stand out was the time in which they happened, not the actual work. When I view them, I watch them as a history lesson so it makes them easier viewing for me. I will agree, however, that there are clearly better matches out there to introduce someone to puro or even Jr. wrestling. HTQ... You can explain why you felt that way, but as you already indicated, you choose not to. I guess that is just the big difference between myself and Loss and other wrestling fans. "OMG Owen vs. Bret was *****!!!! " "Why?" "Because I said it was! "

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*****, really? No offense, but I really want to see a breakdown of this match and why it stands out from the rest of the great matches out there to have the highest honor that can be bestowed upon a match. Just saying it is ***** is meaningless. What makes it *****?

I remember watching Hart-Piper a few month ago and commenting on the match at SNKT. I did not like the match at all when watching it IIRC. Maybe I am thinking of a different match but i am pretty sure it was Hart-Piper.

EDIT: Delayed response to Some Guy Also, Rudo reinforces my point. I have to disagree with Some Guy in almost every way on this issue. The goal of the champion is not to be a credible size or what have you. The goal is to be a drawing card for the company. That is more than what JBL has been or HHH for the last 3 years. Put it this wy... would you pay to see Rey fight for the title? Would you pay to see Rey defend the itle against Angle, HBK, Jericho, Benoit, Cena etc.? I would pay money to see Rey perform. If you keep him away from the hosses, then there would be no need for a Mikey Whipwreck angle. It was just an example of what could be done to have him keep the belt or avoid jobbing too soon in his reign. If you gave Rey a credible submission finisher such as the "7 seconds of Magic" that was displayed in the No Mercy videogame then he would have the cred. to take down anyone regardless of his size. Look at Gracie in shoot-fighting. No one in UFC discounted Gracie because of his size. The more I think about it the more I like the idea of Rey as champion. He would be the perfect underdog and overachiever that fans could get behind AND maintain the growing Latino fan base that the Fed was focusing on when Eddy was on top. The idea that a guy has to "look" like a champ is old carny BS that people shouldn't buy into anymore. Foley didn't look like a typical champ but people got behind him. I didn't buy that Steamboat could beat anyone n the company when he was champ but he could beat Flair and that was what mattered. Looking at the JBL-Eddie matchup, I see no reason to think Eddie could take on JBL but there he was kicking JBL's rear across and around for nearly the entire match.

no shit... sign me up for this channel. Knowing my luck.. it will only be included in the super-duper $120 a month premium deals that just kill my vibe to watch tv.

To be honest, I never thought of Rey as a World champ guy before but with your scenarios above, I could see it working. If he does feud with the big hosses... create a Mikey Whipwresck like-vibe where he wins despite all of the odds being against him.

No doubt. You and I talked about these JBL-Eddie matches in the summer and how we were intrigued and interested in seeing them . The Tim Cooke-SK showdown finally made me buy the DVDs and it isn't even close... Tim Cooke was right and SK reinforced my opinion of him.... Hack. He didn't even have the guts to back up his words. Seriously... read his rant and read Cooke's dissection of it or read my post. Were Tim and I watching a different match? No. SK prolly wrote his shitty recap before the match even started.

JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero - Judgment Day 2004 I finally had a chance to watch this last night. After seeing all of the hoopla that went down when Tim Cooke dissected SK's shitty recap, I had to see the match Tim called the WWE MOTY even if there is absolutely nothing else on the DVD worth watching. The Good - They had a pretty good build-up for this feud even though JBL came out of nowhere to be a contender. More importantly, it set the stage for Eddie to hate JBL's guts and the early portion of the match shows that. With a "hoss" like JBL, you expect him to take control early while Eddie tries to escape. Not so with this match. Eddie attacks early and often and goes to work on the much bigger opponent, so much so that you would think Eddie was the hoss. This is certainly not the way I expected this match to start off but it was nice to see. Eddie gets the best of JBL when exchanging punches. He rams him into the ringpost and tosses him over the Spanish Announcing Table like he was 150 lbs. -JBL gains controls after whipping Eddie into the stairs. When they get back inside, JBL controls with a headlock. Normally, people would criticize this but since Eddie was kicking his ass so much in the early going, this is a completely logical way to keep Eddie grounded and it also helped build a heat segment as the crowd chants for Eddie to make his comeback. -Some nice highspots follow with Eddie attempting a dive to the outside on JBL only to be caught and dropped with a fallaway slam on the concrete. Eddie also takes a high high backdrop onto the Spanish Table. Even after all of this, Eddie keeps slugging it out with a "never say quit" attitude. After all of the crap JBL put him through leading up to the match (cheesy or not) Eddie makes the hate believable. -Another heat segment follows when JBL uses the bearhug. Resthold or good logic? This was up for debate in the SK v. Tim Cooke thread, but after watching the match the move clearly made sense in the context of the match on two levels. First, Eddie had his back pounded throughout the match (Whipped into the stairs, fallaway slam on the concrete, backdrop onto the table, forearm smash to setup the bearhug). Also, at this point in the match, Eddie was still going at JBL full speed and needed grounding so a bearhug is the perfect way to work the back AND slow Eddie down. This builds a short heat segment with Eddie escaping the bearhug as the crowd chants his name loudly. -At this point, some silliness comes into play. The ref gets bumped but it serves a purpose as it allows JBL to cheat and hit Eddie with a nasty chairshot. This is the blade job that sent Eddie into shock and the blood is just all over the place at this moment. In the past, I have always criticized Bradshaw's Clothesline from Hell but his shot here is just brutal. As good as a clothesline I have ever seen. It is also at this point, that JBL attacks Eddie's head injury and pounds on the wound and hits a sleeper. At this point, some notable things happen. He goes for a fallaway slam after the sleeper escape and Eddie counters with a beautiful DDT. This was a cool looking escape. - The post-match beatdown on JBL by Eddie was great. Eddie lost by discqualification but sent the crowd home happy by busting JBL open and getting some sort of revenge. it also continued one of the better feuds of the year (even if the end result was less than desirable) and led to very good GAB match (I watched the GAB match before the JD match so it was out of context. I'll rewatch it and see how they build off this match). The Bad - There are a couple of moments in the match where I think it killed my suspension of disbelief. THe first was after Eddie took the backdrop onto the Spanish table. He was literally up in 2 seconds. The highspot looked great in execution and should have been sold more. Also, later in the match, JBL hit a devastating powerbomb that shuld have ended the match. There was no crawling ref or slow count and Eddie gets his shoulder up. Preferably, this would be one of those moments where a foot gets draped over the rope or is already under the rope. -Two ref bumps. The first ref bump could be argued as necessary whereas the 2nd one was just overkill. I wish they would have had a NO DQ match but then the ending would have been quite different and the feud would have suffered. Still, there could have been another way around this. Thankfully, there was no outside interference since that drives me crazier than any ref bump. - The DQ ending. I hate DQ endings even though it made perfect sense in the bigger picture. JBL gets a win over the champ. The champ keeps the belt. Eddie's post-match beatdown was priceless. this doesn't bother me as much as it normally would but it is still a flaw. Overall I have to admit, this was one of the most entertaining matches I have seen from WWE in years. I don't know if I like it better than Eddie-Brock since I haven't seen that match in months. I know it was better than the Eddie-JBL Bullrope match, the Orton-Foley hardcore match and the three-way main events of WM and BL, no doubt. Listen to the crowd the entire time during JBL-Eddie... they never let up. Those two kept them engaged in the entire match even before the bloodletting. Now, listen to the crowd of the Three-ways, Orton-Foley etc. Silence in key moments. You can hate JBL, and I won't argue with that, but he kept up in this huge title match and it def. deserves praise as one of the best brawls I think the Fed has ever put out.

Well, I still think the song is catchy as f**k... in a bad way. You can't get the damn thing out of your head. "I think I'm cute... I know I'm sexy..." Anyone who read that probably just got the song stuck in their head for the rest of the day.

Lance Storm- I have never seen a **** Lance Storm match. I wouldn't argue that there was ever a **** Lance Storm match because I wouldn't believe you. Maybe a tag match from WAR but I haven't seen it. Nikita Koloff - I used to have his poster from an old PWI magazine pinned on my wall. Ah to be a kid. I was devastated when I found out he wasn't a Russian. Scott Norton - I want to see some of his NJ stuff ebcause I have neevr seen a good Scott Norton match. someone show me the way. Bam Bam Bigelow- I used to mark out for him as a kid. I think it was the tattoos. Chris Benoit - Simply one of the best from the last 15 years. Loss and I finally agreed that it is hard to think of that one defining match you could put on Benoit's ***** resume. The world title win was huge but not *****. I love Benoit-Sasuke but it falls short of the 5 star mark. There are so many benoit matches i haven't seen so who knows... maybe one day I'll discover something that screams The Definitive Benoit Match. Raven- In watching him from ROH last year, I was drawn into the feud with CM Punk even though the matches were subpar. When I first saw him in WCW (had not seen ECW at the time) I shrugged my shoulders but he won me over with his talking alone. The one standout memory from Raven was when Raven and Kanyon injured one of the Villanos and Raven had to keep the other Villano from attacking them. Ultimo Dragon- His match with Shinjiro Ohtani could def. be called the definitive moment of his career and is one of my favorite matches of all-time. I also loved hius matches with Rey. Dory Funk Jr- Dory is a wierd cat to me. I like Terry better and think Terry has had better matches but i don't know if Terry is the better wrestler. My first memory of him is when the Funks were wrestling in the WWF prior to WM2. He just looked so damn old. Ricky Steamboat- My favorite wrestler of my youth and probably of all-time. I'll admit he isn't the best but he is my favorite. I liked the fact that he was always a babyface. As a kid, I never marked out for heels, always cheered for the face for the most part, and Ricky never let me down. Savage-Steamboat was the first match that I said "Wow.... that was a great match." Davey Boy Smith- I really enjoyed Davey Boy throughout his career. I'll probably put a comp together at some point of favorite Davey matches. I could prolly do the same with the Bulldogs sooner or later.