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Example please. Maybe pick up any issue of the Observer ever please. If you can't find instances of Dave pushing his own ideas, agendas, etc. then you're not paying attention. That's not even an indictment of his character or anything. That's just business. He wouldn't be doing a decent job if he didn't try to keep people buying his shit, ya know. ≠ "working" So none then. Thanks for clarifying.

Example please.

I was 12 and hated it and stopped watching for the next year. Undertaker wasn't interesting again until the Mankind feud when he started having must see brawls. Here's Dave on the show: 9/5/94 9/26/94 Almost an "I was wrong"

Absolutely agreed 100%. I also work long shifts (12-16 hours at times), and I was checking my phone at work throughout the day & night Friday to see some of the feedback. I never had any intention of watching the full show, because priorities. And I don't have that kind of time to devote to wrestling. But I wanted to see what may be worthwhile for future cherry-picking purposes. And yeah. I was blown away by some of the reactions. I get being a bit bothered by it, but come on. I've got no doubt that some folks feel offended, but some of this stuff is just too much. I look at it as WWE undercutting their own propaganda after months and months of virtue signalling women's empowerment and claiming to be at the forefront of women's evolution "in the world." You can say people are naive, but WWE has been inundating their audience with this message for several years now so it's not surprising a lot of people that bought into it or wanted to believe it are actually angry and disappointed. It's hard to avoid a political discussion on this show when it was 100% political the moment the event started and commentary became a mouthpiece for the government.

Must have been a fun night in the truck trying to direct with this seating, arranged to keep the plebs as far away as possible from the royals

There's video from in the arena. It's that godawful ad of them all singing https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/990292820308049920 https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/990297310486609920t's also Also been picked up by the BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43934934

I'd find it odd that a friend would be offended about an inaccurate number partially designed to make me look better that he'd correct that myth on the day I died, but that's just me. I don't think it is worth getting all worked up over though either way. It really isn't, and right now people should read the opening to his obit in this weeks issue and his personal recollections and how this is was the one year he didn't call him for his birthday because of everything else going on.

Yeah, probably because it's not something shameful or scandalous or that reflects negatively in any way on the person, but is still a major part of the legend of Bruno over the last several years and it was brought up as an aside among many nice tributes during the day due to being repeated verbatim in nearly every piece that got published today. But you go on, man. Let it out.

So indecent to temper the record while it's a trending topic. Such poor taste to honor someone known as an honest man by pointing out a very benign truth. Folks, what is this really about?

Or if it was Hogan, would people on this board (not on twitter) be having such a fit if Dave called out any one of the company myths about him?

Most don't and anyone who does would get the real obit/facts in the actually Observer. There was no rush if that was his reasoning. "No rush" but one has actually articulated why it's disrespectful or harmful to acknowledge the record is real, but the famous number is worked right now.

Hey Grimmas, do you really think not a single person who read those articles also follows Dave or reads the newsletter?

There was no substance there. You're not related to Bruno and no one is calling his house and giving his family grief about phony sellouts. You're being dramatic. Dave was 100% right. If you can't handle your dreams of fake fighters and worked numbers being crushed by innocuous corrections, stop following the guy.

Yes it was. This is a case of fans being in a bubble, not Dave.

Grimmas, given your history in this thread I'm not even convinced you read his tweet.

It say a lot that to wrestling fans that, "Although it has been reported everywhere, and Bruno was my friend, the stories of his 187 or 188 MSG sellouts represents yet another wrestling myth that is far from accurate" is the equivalent of calling Barbara Bush a war criminal or something.

So irrelevant, no idea why he'd even bring it up. How callous.

The MSG sellouts are guaranteed the number one accolade people are going to report, thinking it's somehow disrespectful to caution people that it's not accurate or verified like this is some dark shameful skeleton that should only be discussed after a mourning period is fucking bananas.

There is no reason they couldn't name it after Sherri or even Luna and spin their careers to be greater than they were if they wanted to other than they weren't besties with Stephanie.

She wanted him to name her as "Mo" Really. https://twitter.com/Th_BodyElectric/status/966826142614343680 https://twitter.com/Th_BodyElectric/status/966901928595636224

Thinking she wouldn't mind her name printed because she complained for weeks about being referred to as "the woman" (her twitter display now lulz?) and "a fan" etc, sounds like typical Dave logic tbh. Also that it's a defamation case, not sexual assault. Anyway, calling him out for not contacting her for a friggin statement at the beginning is just being clueless about what the WON is or how he regularly summarizes low-level public gossip, and there really was no need for him to put on his investigative reporter hat to handle a messy story that even Bix decided wasn't as fruitful as writing 60,000 words on decades-old Lawler dirt. In the meantime, Dave ignoring all the ridiculous shit from having his words twisted ("she doctored the messages"), to clams he created the tumblr himself, to random indy wrestling weirdos calling him a rape apologist every day makes him a piece of shit, I guess.

Elgin probably sexually assaulted a women. Dave called her a liar. He never talked to the women, instead he talked to Elgin and used a tumblr blog as his source. Let's get a few things straight. You've already been corrected on the Egin thing (although she has insinuated that Elgin was manipulative towards her). Dave never called her a liar; he stated that, "the text messages released were heavily edit with many things said that were erased." Thirdly, he didn't use tubmlr as a source. All this broke in October/November and he commented on it following that. The tumblr page went live a 3 weeks ago. It was shared on Wreddit and Mo herself replied to a tweet with the link subsequent to that. That's when Dave made the mistake of posting the tumblr link without context or comment. We don't know if he talked to Elgin. He apparently didn't talk to the woman, so you are right there. Read that sentence. Re read that sentence. Then re-read it again. Then re-read it again and again until you understand everything that is wrong with Dave Metlzer's editorial style. If Meltzer's subject and verb aren't even in agreement, and his tense is out of order, how can we agree that his facts are in order? That's what I see as the biggest problem with Metlzer's handling of serious topics. His writing reads like it was written by a 12 year old who just snorted some adderall. That's not even Meltzer's error! Like, just don't comment unless you've seen what he actually wrote. This was also on his board, not in the Observer, specifically warning people not to speculate or choose sides. He deserves criticism in this, especially for posting the tumblr link without comment or checking to see if he was spreading private contact info. But the people in this thread often going in on him the hardest always seem to get their info 2nd or 3rd hand and have as many details wrong.

Twitter justice works much faster than the courts and no one has to do any critical thinking.

Sasha's kick didn't look particularly bad (the crowd reacted normally to it anyway), and apparently Bayley had done the same spot with Paige at another house show Accidents happen and Paige already admitted her doctor told her she shouldn't be wrestling again in the Lilian Garcia interview.