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The Beginner's Guide To British Wrestling
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in Megathread archive
I don't see the point in having an argument over an 8 minute Danny Boy Collins vs. Nipper Riley bout that was JIP. Ten years ago, I said it had some decent action but was nothing overly special. The beginning of the thread lists many matches that I think are special or at the least worth watching. You do not have to be British to enjoy them. You do not have to have grown up watching British wrestling to enjoy them. You do not have to have to enjoy them for the same reasons that British fans enjoyed them. You do not have to understand or appreciate every cultural nuance. You do not have to buy into a narrative about every British fan having impeccable taste in wrestling or a developed palette (this is a crock.) Analyze and dissect them the same as you would with any other form of wrestling. Find the things you like and watch more of it. A lot of the reviews in this thread were extra stuff I watched after I'd burned through everything else. This thread doesn't contain a lot of reviews of the stuff I enjoyed the most. A lot of that was either posted on WKO or in the Microscope. -
That's a shame. RIP.
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It's a valid criticism. From memory, Jacky Corn was my favorite guy for pushing the pace. I would also recommend checking out the Modesto Aledo match. I can't remember which is the better of his two matches but it might be the one against Teddy Boy.
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Are there any matches or workers you've enjoyed so far?
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I think Jetlag has made recommendations in the past. My personal interest lays in anything from the 50s. After that, my favorite period was when there was a troupe of lighter weights putting on matches together in the early 70s. There are a few matches I like from the 60s, but there's a big shift towards tag wrestling and I'm not overly fond of European style tag wrestling.
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Mate, even I don't know if I'll enjoy a match before I watch it. Franz Schuhmann vs. Steve Wright (Berlin, 2/29/92) This was wrestled in a tiny ring in some sort of Berlin hotel or convention center. The setting reminded me of US indy shows from the same era. There was some decent action but it wasn't much of a match and never rose above the exhibition level. I can't really blame them though as it was an unnatural setting to have a match.
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[2006-02-19-WWE-No Way Out] Chris Benoit vs Booker T
ohtani's jacket posted a topic in February 2006
I'm over this Chris Benoit vs. Booker T feud but at least we got some closure here. The match was too long for the crowd's tastes, however they stuck to their guns and worked a fairly solid bout. Booker has a decent act with his wife, and he works had in the ring, but I was grateful that he tapped out so that they can move on from this feud. -
[2006-02-19-WWE-No Way Out] Randy Orton vs Rey Mysterio
ohtani's jacket replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in February 2006
This was alright. A little cookie cutter in its execution, but a decent enough match. That ending, though. What a buzz kill. That finally part where Rey was doing his doing his forced acting and walking off in silence was an uncomfortable few minutes. What Debbie downer booked this show? -
[2006-02-19-WWE-No Way Out] Kurt Angle vs The Undertaker
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in February 2006
This was pretty good. It's hard to imagine Undertaker and Angle having a better match. The Deadman doing his faux MMA shit is a stretch of the imagination, but it's better than them working the WWE house style. I did get a chuckle out of Cole trying to sell us on Taker being the best striker in the history of the WWE. Taker delivered a solid performance. It's hard to tell whether his selling is good because of his acting or the fact that he really was so banged up and winded, but it looked good either way. Kurt didn't bring his A game, but I kind of liked that so much of the focus was on the Undertaker. The finish was a clever idea that wasn't executed very well. The commentators did a poor job of selling it, and as cactus mentioned the crowd weren't clued into the fact that the triangle hold could end the match. It's not the first time a clever pin has fallen flat, but it did end things on a limp note. Still, you couldn't have asked for much more from these two.- 6 replies
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I don't expect Kellett matches to suddenly turn into serious bouts. It would be great if they did, but a lot of the TV bouts were showcases for a particular star. So, a lot of the time you get a match where there's a really great or interesting worker, and they stuff they do is fascinating, but the match itself is what I called a "four rounder." Sometimes the bouts get heated, but that was a formula in itself. The exceptions were probably title matches and the lighter weight wrestlers. As well as the occasional excellent catchweight bout.
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I liked the interplay between Barnes' queer act and Kellett's stereotypical bigotry. Kellett was notoriously difficult to work with, and when you see a Kellett match on TV, you know that it's going to be a Les Kellett match with the other guy along for the ride. Barnes brought a different dimension and so you got a different type of comedy than Kellett poking fun at his opponent and making him look hapless. Kellett probably had better wrestling matches in his career, but based on the footage we have of him, I think Barnes is by far his best matchup.
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It happens on some of the footage. It's annoying.
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I love the Barnes vs. Kellett matches. (I have another one from the ITV archives.) The subtext is glorious.
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Recommendations for cartoon wrestling promotions
ohtani's jacket replied to The Nicks's topic in Pro Wrestling
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This was a good match, but not the Match of the Year contender you'd expect from two wrestlers of this caliber. In some ways, it suffered from the same shackles as the Christopher Daniels vs. Low Ki match in that the commentators couldn't stop talking about how legendary the early ROH bouts were. While it's true that those were the bouts that put ROH on the map, it's a heavy weight to carry around when working a return bout, especially when you know the fanbase has delusions of grandeur about ROH matches being like 90s All Japan. This wasn't a Triple Crown classic but more of a Champion Carnival match. Still a good match, but left you wanting more.
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This was supposed to be Joe vs. Daniels but apparently Joe had a staph infection and wasn't cleared to wrestle. So, they gave us this return matchup from the early days of ROH wrestling, which would have been cool if there had been more at stake. They made a go of it, and it was a decent match, but ROH tries to hype every bout as special which makes it stand out more when the workers come up short.
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[2006-01-22-NOAH-First Navigation] Akira Taue vs Jun Akiyama
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in January 2006
This was a decent match. I liked how they tried to chop each other down like two oak trees doing battle.- 8 replies
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This was slightly better than their previous bout as they were allowed to go out there and wrestle without an interference. No Holds Barred basically amounted to a few weapon shots and the odd chokehold or two. Once again, your mileage may vary on how interesting you find Orton working holds. I have a soft spot for him after his Evolution run, but he's not the smoothest technician. Benoit's work was okay but nothing you haven't seen before.
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I was mistaken about this being a No DQ match. They had a No Holds Barred match a few weeks later right before the Rumble. Orton controlled most of this bout through headlocks, which isn't a bad base to work from, but the crowd weren't as interested in it as I was. The WWE machine wasn't firing and there wasn't a ton of heat for this. Orlando Jordan did another unexplained run-in, and Booker and his wife were involved in the finish. Benoit forced Orton to tap while the ref was unconscious, so that Cole could gripe about the injustice of Booker's victory, but it was tough to get excited about this angle.
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93 is a solid knock. RIP.
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I think it's fair to say that the continuation of the Angle vs. Michaels rivalry failed to live up to the greatness of their WrestleMania match. You can probably also make the case that Angle's switch to RAW didn't live up to the hype. I don't think it's either wrestler's fault. The WWE simply wasn't firing on all cylinders at this point. Even in the WWE era, the product remains cyclical and this was not a hot period. Shawn vs. Vince does absolutely nothing for me. I can't imagine why anyone wanted to see that feud. The Vince I knew wanted to have Shawn Michaels' babies. This is a solid bout where Michaels' career is on the line. There's a modicum of drama, but Angle is switching to Smackdown so they need to write him out of the show as well. The action is good, but the bout deserved a better finish and should have been a main event.
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This was better than I thought it would be. I don't love how the writers are using concussions in all the storylines, but I bought into all of the title challenge shit. Apparently, this was Flair's first ladder match, which had me wondering what Flair spots prime Flair would have done in a ladder match. Old man Flair is a blast to watch. I'm not sure how it was received at the time. I hope it was positive. Flair blading so that his hair turns red is an awesome touch. Edge busts a gut to make this fun. I kinda wanted Flair to win even though I knew he wouldn't. The screwy finished worked a treat because I was invested enough to care. This was good TV.
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Joe brings his 2005 form to 2006. Probably not their best match against each other but more entertaining than anything the WWE was putting out. The concussion angle wasn't in good taste, however there was no denying how ruthless Joe was. The only criticism I'd make is that Daniels came across as somewhat hopeless. He's nowhere near as limited a worker as he appeared in this bout, and really should have came with more of a game plan to counter Joe's physicality, but I guess they wanted to continue the storyline of Joe brutalizing him.
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[2006-01-20-WWE-SmackDown] Mark Henry vs Rey Mysterio
ohtani's jacket replied to Edwin's topic in January 2006
This was a good match. They didn't reinvent the wheel, but played to each other's strengths nicely. I really liked the finish. If you're going to dash the fans hopes then at least make it look good.- 1 reply
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In theory, these matches should be getting more exciting as the series goes longer, but they're not. Orton and Benoit have decent chemistry together, however there's only so much they can do if the match isn't laid out in a dramatic fashion. Basically, it finished with another BS ending to set-up the decider as a no-DQ match. That might have been okay if either man was on the verge of winning, but the match never got to that point. I'm not sure what was going on with the booking in the WWE as this kind of stuff is usually their bread and butter.