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These events have been going on for years. It’s backyard wrestling basically. DDT and Michinoku Pro have scouted wrestlers there in the past.
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This started out with a hot crowd and Taker flying off the top rope with a huge flying clothesline and some great looking rapid punches in the corner. After that it kinda shifts and the crowd cools down and doesn’t get that hot again. This was kinda long and it was fine, but not an all-time classic or anything. They had much better matches together than this, but this was a perfectly fine way to kick start the rivalry.
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[1994-09-18-WCW-Fall Brawl] Cactus Jack vs Kevin Sullivan (Loser Leaves WCW)
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
This should’ve been a much bigger match than it was and given the sides in it, I was expecting a wild arena brawl and it was not. It was a brawl, but it mostly took place ringside and it wasn’t really as intense or wild as some of the other brawls both had in WCW. Dave Sullivan accompanied Kevin and I get why he was there, but his interferences didn’t cut it for me and I would’ve prefer they hadn’t taken place, but again, I get why it happened. Cactus took 3 ridiculous bumps in this, namely a body slam off the second rope to the floor. The finish was weak as Cactus ran into Dave by accident as Dave was scuffling with Kevin over a chair. Not memorable, but not terrible either, it just was.- 11 replies
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This is the perfect match for a Philly crowd. It’s an ECW arena brawl, but better than most ECW arena brawls I can remember off the top of my head. Sullivan is an upgrade in this setting over Maxx Payne and this match is far more chaotic and a far better more enjoyable brawl than the Spring Stampede one. Gotta love the uncooperative weapon shots, namely Sags just swinging an already bent trash can. Cactus didn’t take the same amount of wild bumps he took in the Spring Stampede match, but he did take a wild hip toss off the ramp onto a table on the floor. Regardless, this didn’t require many Cactus bumps as it was madness at all times. The finish with Schultz worked as the fans ate it up and it lead to Sags getting hit with a nasty shot with the hockey stick. One of the best brawls in WCW history.
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[1994-04-17-WCW-Spring Stampede] Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne vs Nasty Boys
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
Absolute chaos. This would've fit in perfectly on an FMW Korakuen Hall card. No joke, this was an Onita Pro main event without Onita, barbed wire, blood or Yaguchi taking reckless Thunderfire Powerbombs. They even had the botched table spot with Sags and Cactus crashing through a table as Sags tried to hit a piledriver through it. The chaotic presentation of the entire thing and even having two refs. brought the belief that it could end in either exchange. I was entertained throughout the entirety of it.- 20 replies
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
What an odd match. They both worked as stiff as you expect and the blood in it was a cool, but the stipulation is so over the top with the 30 second rest period that it hurts the flow of it. We don't get as many wild Cactus bumps, but there's a few ones in there. I particularly thought it was funny how he flipped over the guardrail in one of them and Vader just no sells it and stares at him while he's on the ground before kicking him. Cactus bringing a table in the ring and Nick Patrick adjusting it made no sense. Even Jesse commentated on it. Why should he care about the way the table is set up? The finish didn't do it for me either, but I'll say this was fine as it was short and there was plenty to get kick out of in it, however they had better matches with each other than this one.- 15 replies
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This was entirely different from the Falls Count Anywhere match with Sting. There Cactus was a heel; here he’s the face. I personally preferred him as a heel. The Sting match was a big brawl title match with crazy bumps and a heated crowd. This was more of an arena midcard brawl with lesser bumping a crowd that wasn’t invested as much. In the Sting match there was no padding on the floor and the commentators would bring it up constantly; here the floor was padded but Cactus of course removed part of it and pulled off the most ridiculous Cactus type bump with a sunset flip off the second rope to the floor which is obviously absurd in itself but fits perfectly for Cactus. There was some walking around grabbing each others neck which I’m not a big fan of as nothing is really happening aside from walking around the arena going to the next place where the next spot will take place. Cactus did take 3 big bumps here that I would put up with any of the bumps he took in the Sting match — the bump over the double guardrails, the nasty suplex on the guardrail (which was the nastiest bump in either of the 2 matches) and a big flat back bump from the ring apron to the floor. Orndorff wasn’t going to bump big like Sting did and it was mostly him just beating up Cactus. The finish with Cactus hitting Orndorff with the shovel made sense as it’s a weapon Cactus walked out with and tried attacking Orndorff with before the opening bell but it felt kinda flat to me. This was a miss for me.
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The crowd was hot for this entire match. I know a lot of folks are praising Cactus’ big bumps and rightfully so, but that bump Sting took on the Stinger Splash early on from the ramp to inside the ring was something else. Of course the highlight of this is mostly Cactus’ nasty bumps on the floor. Cactus’ offensive segments were pretty good — there was a portion when he had Sting in a body scissors and he caught Sting with a nasty slap to the mouth from behind and Sting eventually got free from it and there may have been some receipts as Sting was landing some great looking right hands. I dug Cactus’ rolling off the ramp to break the Scorpion Deathlock as that was a unique and clever escape. Sting’s big finishing diving clothesline off the top to the ramp was a neat as well. This wasn’t an all-time classic, but I enjoyed it and found it to be very, very good,
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I stopped rewatching after the post 97 Survivor Series RAW. The quality drop in that episode from the ones leading up to it was noticeable. They were moving towards Austin vs. Rock for the IC title and D-X was transitioning to the main focus on the show with HBK moving on to feud with Shamrock. I much preferred it before that when the main focus was on the Hart Foundation vs. Team USA with Bret and Owen feuding with Austin; Bret feuding with Vince; the Hart Foundation feuding with D-X; Austin also feuding with NOD; NOD breaking up and reforming and feuding with Ahmed; Paul Bearer turning on Taker and Taker feuding with him and Kane simultaneously; Kane being revealed and feuding with Taker and Mankind, etc.
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I haven't posted or even visited this place in a few years as I don't really watch wrestling anymore (just follow some of the news and listen to some podcasts) as I've grown out of it and I don't really have much time to watch weekly TV, but I felt like rewatching some WWE from the Attitude Era -- beginning from the RAW where Bret shoved Vince after the cage match with Sid and ending at the post Montreal Screwjob RAW. I know a lot of folks around these parts are more into the in ring stuff than all of the other stuff, but as time has passed, I've come to appreciate the promos, angles and builds ups more than the matches themselves for the most part. The weekly TV matches weren't always classics (although there were some good ones) and the undercard matches really didn't get much time, but they got more time on PPV and had far better matches there which made sense as those were the cards folks actually had to pay to see. I was never a big Mick Foley fan per se, but I did like a bunch of his stuff as Cactus Jack and Mankind. However, upon rewatching, I think my favorite gimmick of his is Mankind. He was great in that lunatic roll pulling out his hair and screeching during his promos. Dude Love I could do without. I also got a new appreciation for HBK more now than I did previously. I know he gets a lot of criticism, but the dude knew how to get heat. With him it was mostly natural as he was just being himself, but he got folks worked up. Obviously a lot of the segments haven't aged well; namely the Goldust, Pillman and Marlena angle. That was all around awful.
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I went to the CWC just to see WALTER/Ilja and I was not disappointed. Glad to hear it came across just as good on video. My MOTY and I don't see anything dethroning it.
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It's Cornette. Dude is ootl of most things. He thinks it's a legit gang. It was sad and hilarious speaking on it as if it was a legit gang.
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Wrestling fans really need to stop comparing WWE to Nazi Germany, North Korea, slavery, concentration camps, etc. I think the North Korea comparison I read was on here and I just rolled my eyes. Wrestling fandom is truly at peak point when it comes to toxicity. It's gotten to the point folks are wishing death on a 70+ year old man for booking their favorite wrestlers in a way they disagree with and to the point of comparing him to Hitler and King Jong Un. Ridiculous.
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I believe this is the first time these two have faced each other on WWE TV and it was a good match. The WWE RAW TV match style has noticeably changed this year and I've honestly have been enjoying it. It seems more big bomb centered with actually heavyweights just coming in and ragdolling each other while throwing stiff strikes. This was worked excellently in that vein. They did a neat spot with Riddle kicking McIntyre on the HIAC welts on his back and McIntyre just splats him with a stiff lariat. I also feel McIntyre's punches don't get the credit they deserve. Sure he's not Lawler or Dundee when it comes to throwing hands but his punches look like they actually connect. Its also pretty impressive seeing McIntyre just manhandle Riddle and toss him around with wheelbarrow throws. He also hit a great looking deadlift suplex. The highlight spot for me was the backslide counter into the Future Shock DDT. I also thought McIntyre's selling of HIAC injuries was great as he would wince and clutch at his backs or ribs whenever Riddle got a throw or landed any big offense that hurt his back. The finish was on point with Riddle pulling a flash pin. Not on par with either ones matches against Sheamus but this was still a good match.
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