Johnny Sorrow

There was like, two weeks only, of Raven hanging out backstage or right outside the arena, doing "ECW Raven" stuff. It went on while other shit was going down. It was out of nowhere, if I recall right, and never went anywhere.

Hardcore Holly vs. The Bix. Book this now, wildpegaguy

What's the story here?

You do understand that lots of books quote interviews others have conducted and it's considered normal, right? I just read this book about standup comedy, a much more mainstream subject, and there are plenty of interviews by others cited. What does it matter? Haynes most likely would've told Randazzo the exact same thing. Should he have left out all of the Benoit & Guerrero (dead guys who he couldn't talk to) quotes from other sources because he didn't interview them himself? It's been awhile since I read that book, but I remember it having a pretty strong "Vince is EVOL" tone. Also, the errors were fixed for the paperback. The newsletter sources revolting is a change, and what's with the trend (starting with Meltzer and continued by you) acting is if this book had a chance to be a giant mainstream crossover hit that shook the entire world? Randazzo's mainstream interviews were minor ones, and it would've taken a big push from a major news outlet that happened to come across the book to get any further. Sold out its first 2 printings in 2 weeks. Not at my Borders. I've read the whole thing during visits on my way home from work by taking the one copy and dog earing where I'd left off. So many stories I've heard on shoot videoes. Sex, Lies, and Headlocks in no way had a "Vince is evil" tone. It was pretty much "Here's what happened". Granted, they got a LOT wrong, but the dude did have a fine disertation of the original steroid trial and the BodyBuilding fed stuff. And Bix, chill..man. I continued something? I'm a 38 year old douchebag. I haven't continued anything in recent years except being dull. I do think that perhaps a book that has an "important" story to tell would make the national radar and not just be argued about by dudes on the internet. No one cares. Because it's Pro Wrestling. I'm not being uncaring or a dick here. But the fact is...no one cares. It's sad, I guess. But no one actually gives a shit outside of a handful of fans of said "terrible" industry. Shit, I was actually awaiting Nancy Grace to have your pal on her show, but no go. It's a dead story to the media now. I'm not saying that's good, it's just the way it is. No one actually cares about the clowns at the Circus or the Elephants. It's a bitch to be sure, but there ya go. The sad truth is that no one gives a shit about Pro Wrestling and what goes on in it, and if a book needs to be written about it to try and alert people to the problems, it shouldn't come off as ramblings of a disgruntled ex-fan.

A book classified as "True Crime" should be true all the way through. Without comments like if Billy Jack Haynes had actually killed McMahon it would have changed wrestling, probably for the better. Really? The Haynes shoot is reputable? And Vince being murdered would have been a positive? A book about how fucked up wrestling is should be out there. But not with a tone of hate and disdain. It makes the book look like the ramblings of a hurt fan. There's enough shit out there on the record to show that wrestling is fucked up without using RF Shoots as "sources". Fuck, "Sex, Lies, and Headlocks" comes off better than this and that was full of errors, but the Author never came off like he had an agenda. Whatever, it's all not that important in the long run. Wrestling isn't going anywhere, it's not gonna change, and this book will end up collecting dust at Borders next to the Kane "biography." And I'm not trying to contribute to the stupid fighting going on about this, just my two cents.

It read to me more like his Pillman stuff was an addition to the review, but not stated as such. Pretty much Dave saying what he had to say, and then emphasizing it with his extensive knowledge of Pillman.

Meltzer's review: Credit Wrestling Observer

I always liked the F4W for the most part, especially the radio shows. The Board is....something else.....

http://www.kayfabemovie.com/ Sorry if I'm late to the game with this...but holy shit the trailers are hilarious.

Cool.One of my favorite memories from that show was before the show, me and my buddy wandered over to the far right of stadium seats right by the wall where people from Crockett were hanging out and such, possibly catching some of David Allen Coe or whoever it was who played a set before the show. We were technically "backstage" sort of. David Crockett was signing autographs and my buddy asks him, "Hey, David! Is Flair gonna fight Jerry Lawler on the Bash Tour?" Crockett just looked at him with a look that said, "Shut the fuck up, mark." And then Magnum wandered by and we said "Hey, Magnum!" He looks over and is greeted by two 16 year old dorks in Nikita T-Shirts, going "AAAARRRGHHH!" and doing the Russian Sycle arm deal. He also just looked at us with a "Fuck you." look. It was so great, even as dorky as it is 22 years later.

I found the results at titlebelt.net, but no attendance figures 7/1/86 Philadelphia Cage Match Dusty Rhodes & Road Warrior Animal beat Ole & Arn Anderson NWA Champion Ric Flair beat Road Warrior Hawk dq Nikita Koloff beat Magnum TA Rock & Roll Express & Baby Doll beat Midnight Express & Jim Cornette Jimmy Valiant beat Baron Von Raschke Ron Garvin beat Tully Blanchard Indian Strap match Wahoo McDaniel beat Jim Garvin Bunkhouse match Manny Fernandez beat Shaska Whatley Black Bart beat Todd Champion The Barbarian beat Denny Brown I was at that show and it was great. But as far as the place being oversized, what they did was set up the ring in the middle of one corner of the Stadium, possibly near the pitcher's mound, I can't recall; there were rows of ringside seats and in the stands they just sold tix to that closet section. They had barricade tape as you'd reach the ends of where tickets were sold. Sorry if that's confusing, I couldn't think of a better way to describe it.

Yeah, Ric Flair and Bobby Eaton were like twins. I can't tell you how many times I turned on TBS and mistook the two of them. That "less muscular" Ric Flair with the giant arms was just the picture twin of Eaton.

lol Gabe is back at it again with some more douchery. Refering to JR's blog about Danielson's dark match: That's a hilariously awful "I need to stay looking rebelious despite the reality that a mention of ROH on WWE.com is huge" attempt.

Having a Southern accent is somehow relevent to someone's opinion?

"Yakuza kills someone in a movie = cool. Yakuza kills someone in real life = horrifying." Ummm... I love "The Godfather" and "Goodfellas" because they're fucking movies. When I see footage or pictures of actual mob hits, it's rather disturbing. I don't see how this talking point has any legs.

The Roddy Piper face turn in 1986-87 leading up to WrestleMania 3 was fucking awesome, as it developed somewhat slowly. He wasn't suddendly a good guy and the only good guys at first who'd back him up against Adonis, Orton, and Muraco were the Bulldogs. At the time, it was really wild that Piper was gonna be a good guy, and it was so fucking cool.

I love Naylor because someday I'll catch him and he'll have give me his pot of gold, actually.

WCCW -- The Von Erichs were on The 700 Club, "alternating occasional truth with a few major lies and minor fibs." Wow, I remember watching that when I was a Senior in High School. I was channel flipping and noticed the Von Eriches so I left it on. It was a pretty wild thing to see.

Is the Namorian homeworld anywhere near the constellation of Destrucity? Also.... I'll take "Sentences that Fritz Von Erich never actually said in his entire life" for $1000, Alex. Hahaha, that's awesome.

I'm just getting tired of people shocked over it. That and WWE somehow thinking that doing it makes the problem go away. The people who go on about how it's "Yet another Vince McMahon move to rewrite wrestling history" are particularly stupid.

It's the Machine Guns, but it is a good question.

I need to see this.

There was a sentiment like this at the time. There sure was. Me and a buddy of mine went to Starrcade 86 in Greensboro, my Dad drove us there from New Jersey to go to the show and I had scored third row seats. At some point in the show we were talking to a dude who was also from the Philly area and started talking about shit from the show thus far, and rumors from the Observer, and then he asked us what show we were gonna see in Philly the next month or whatever as NWA had a Bunkhouse Stampede main event in the Civic Center and WWF had a card at the Spectrum. We had already gotten our tics for the WWF and when we, two freaking 16 year old kids told this grown man this fact, he got all indignant and upset that we would "miss the Bunkhouse Stampede to see HULK FUCKING HOGAN." and he walked away in disgust. We were both like, "What the hell?"

Worst case scenario there would be lots of folks talking about how crazy he could be, but the actual history and quality of matches just doesn't add up to them doing a "Fuck you" DVD on Savage.

A monitor on his head? I've been working with stroke/ CVA victims for nearly 20 years and that's the first I've heard of this technology.