Johnny Sorrow

It all depends on what the actual cause of death was. If a resident actually beat someone to death, the police of course would be notified. But this actual death was brought on by a fall caused by another dementia patient. Falls accelerate expiration be they caused by another dementia resident or a mistimed step. To be clear, when something like this happens we contact the Ombudsman and provide a detailed report. The Ombudsman then conducts an investigation and determines if a criminal investigation is warrented. As far as Verne and money goes, who knows? But Elder Care is INCREDIBLY expensive. I've had patients who were extremely wealthy, many of whom had roommates. Sometimes there's some family goings on to hold onto as much of a person's estate as possible, as ElderCare can dry up a personal fortune.

I've worked with a couple of Ex Boxers as well. One I'll call "Paul". Never really had a problem with him and his dementia was advanced, he did once try to hit another male resident who was attacking a nurse's aide and I stopped him cause he was still fucking jacked in his early Eighties. From what I read here, Verne threw the guy down. That doesn't exactly mean that he thought he was wrestling. I currently work with a dementia resident who was a fighter at one point who had a fight with Floyd Patterson, he's totally docile and never violent with staff or other residents. Alzheimer's and related dementia is totally unpredictable and is unique as each person it strikes is unique. More often then not, it's a stronger resident getting upset at another resident for whatever reason, imagined or real, and they grab the other resident and push them. When a 97 year old resident takes a fall with injury, it's common that a rapid decline to expiration happens. If it's a guy who probably tried to stay in decent physical shape his whole life, like Verne, or an ex Boxer, etc..we as staff need to be alert, but we can't be everywhere at all times, and the days of doping them all up or restraining them are long gone, thank God.

I've worked in ElderCare for nearly twenty years, with Alzheimer's/ Dementia care being my main focus. When one confused resident knocks down another confused resident we never call the police. It's considered something that happens in these facilities. We try to take every precaution for these things to NOT happen, and when they do, the amount of paperwork we fill out and file with State officials and organizations is huge. What strikes me as odd, is that Verne had been discharged from this facility for a previous incident, and was then allowed back in. The fact is, Police are almost never called when one demented resident gets into a scuffle with another. In this case, the man's fall seems to have led to his passing and that's a tragedy. It's not an obstruction of Justice, the fact is the police know that these things happen. No police officer is going to haul away a demented 83 year old Alzheimer's victim after he/ she gets into a fight with another resident. About 15 years ago, we had a woman, out of nowhere, grab a wheelchair footstand and bash another woman in the face with it. It was completely random, there was no sign it was building, she just "went". Gladly, the Victim didn't die, and only had a broken cheek and bruised up face. We had to contact the families, and as a team we decided that the woman who assaulted the other, needed to be in a senior Psych facility. From http://www.f4wonline.com/

I picked this up on Monday at FYE, as they already had it on sale. It's really a TON of fun. I'm done with the first 2 discs and have enjoyed it immensely. And yeah, Savage is all over this set.

Back in 1985 when the whole "Pro Wrestling USA" experiment launched, they held a card at the Meadowlands that the Apter mags just went apeshit over. At the time, on paper it did seem like the greatest thing ever to those of us in New Jersey without cable and just the Apter mags to know about anything besides the WWF. Does this show exist on tape at all? I remember that there were some no shows, and the mags tried to explain them away kayfabe. The only one I remember was Lawler was supposed to team with Tommy Rich against the Road Warriors, not the Baron. NWA/AWA Star Wars 2/85 February 24, 1985 in East Rutherford, NJ The Meadowlands drawing 18,600 ($180,000) Jimmy Valiant, Jay & Mark Youngblood drew Larry Zbysko, Nick Bockwinkel, & Dory Funk Jr. (15:00) Kamala defeated Mark Pole & Lou Fabiano in a "handicap" match. Bob Backlund pinned Billy Robinson. Jim Brunzell & Greg Gagne DDQ Mr. Saito & Masked Superstar. Ivan & Nikita Koloff beat Steve Keirn & Jimmy Valiant when Ivan pinned Valiant. Jimmy Garvin beat AWA World Champion Rick Martel via DQ. AWA World Tag Champs The Road Warriors beat Jerry Lawler & Baron Von Raschke when Raschke was pinned. NWA World Champ Ric Flair pinned Harley Race (25:00). Sgt. Slaughter won a "tag team battle royal." Slaughter's partner, Jerry Blackwell, was injured and could not compete, forcing Slaughter to wrestle alone. Also in the match were: The Road Warriors, Ivan & Nikita Koloff, Greg Gagne & Jim Brunzell, Kamala & Billy Robinson, Mark & Chris Youngblood, Jerry Lawler & Baron Von Raschke, Bob Backlund & Jimmy Valiant, Mr. Saito & Masked Superstar, Nick Bockwinkel & Dory Funk Jr., Jimmy Garvin & Larry Zbyszko, and Steve Keirn & Jerry Oski.

My Disc 9 rankings. 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (5/29/88) 2.Jerry Lawler vs. Kerry Von Erich (9/17/88) 3.Dutch Mantell vs. Jeff Jarrett (1/28/89) 4.Jerry Lawler vs. Kerry Von Erich (6/27/88) 5.Shogun & Samurai vs. Mason Dixon Connection (3/25/89) 6.Bill Dundee & Brickhouse Brown vs. Jimmy Golden & Robert Fuller (9/18/88) 7.Bill Dundee, Jeff Jarrett & Jimmy Valiant vs. Robert Fuller, Jimmy Golden & Tommy Rich (9/17/88) 8.Dutch Mantell vs. Jeff Jarrett (Orchestra Match) (Late 1988) 9.Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden vs. Jed Grundy & Scott Steiner (2/18/89) 10.Buddy Landel vs. Freddy (8/12/89) 11.Jerry Lawler, Jeff Jarrett & Freddy vs. Dutch Mantell, Master of Pain & Ronnie Gossett (7/10/89)

Ha, thanks, dude.

Can someone post that pic of the Genius looking at Perfect's Package with glee? I can't find it and I want to show it to someone who doesn't remember that it happened. Thanks

I'd imagine that all the jokes are told BECAUSE he was not guilty of that charge added to the fact he likes to bang young hot chicks. If the worst thing you can say about an old guy is that he bangs girls in their early twenties... And the weird "I'm a fan of Calgary and hate Memphis" thing that's going on here is really far more creepy than Lawler banging chicks half his age.

My Disc 8 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Austin Idol (Hair vs. Hair, Steel Cage Match) 2. Jerry Lawler vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (Texas Death) 3.Jerry Lawler vs. Curt Hennig (Title vs. Retirement) 4. Jerry Lawler & Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Austin Idol & Tommy Rich (Texas Death Match) 5. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Jeff Jarrett 6. Jerry Lawler & Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Austin Idol & Tommy Rich (Double Jeopardy Match) 7.Eddie Marlin vs. Tommy Gilbert (Cowboy Boot Match) 8.Jerry Lawler vs. Eddie Gilbert (No DQ) 9.Jeff Jarrett, Tracy Smothers, & Billy Travis vs. Badd Company & King Carl Fergie

I went to the final Philly WCW show at the Civic Center that was headlined by Sting/ Giant and Savage/ Flair with Sammartino as guest ref and the place was nowhere near sold out. And that's Philly.

My Disc 7 rankings 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) (12/30/85) 2.Koko Ware vs. Ric Flair (11/18/85) 3.Jerry Lawler & Dutch Mantel vs. Bill Dundee & Buddy Landel (3/10/86) 4.Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) (7/14/86) 5.Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (10/19/85) 6.Jerry Lawler vs. Rick Martel (Nashville 10/12/85) 7.Jerry Lawler & Austin Idol vs. Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy (Badstreet Match) (8/12/85) 8.The Nightmares vs. Mod Squad (Wear a Dress vs. Make-up Session) (7/21/86) 9.Jerry Lawler, Dusty Rhodes & Magnum T.A. vs. Ole Anderson, Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (11/18/85) 10.Jerry Lawler & Bill Dundee vs. Tom Pritchard & Pat Rose (10/12/85) 11.The Nightmares vs. Fire and Flame (7/12/86) 12.Koko Ware vs. Masked Superstar (Jerry Stubbs) (10/26/85) 13.Rock N Roll Express vs. Ivan Koloff & Krusher Khrushchev (9/30/85) 14.Bill Dundee & Sherri Martel vs. Koko Ware & Candi Divine (10/26/85)

My Disc 6 Rankings 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Randy Savage (Loser Leaves Town) (6/3/85) 2.Fabulous Ones vs. Pretty Young Things (4/22/85) 3.Rock N Roll Express vs. The Nightmares (1/13/85) 4.Fabulous Ones vs. The Sheepherders (Cage Match) (8/6/85) 5.Jerry Lawler & Austin Idol vs. Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy (8/5/85) 6.Randy Savage vs. Jerry Oski (5/7/85) 7.Dirty White Boys vs. The Interns (1/14/85) 8.Tommy Rich vs. Moondog Rex (4/22/85) 9.Jerry Lawler vs. Bruiser Brody (5/20/85) 10.Randy Savage vs. Adrian Street (1/28/85) 11.Pretty Young Things vs. The Daydreamers (Texas Tornado) (3/25/85) 12.Fabulous Ones vs. The Sheepherders (Boyd & Morgan) (6/22/85) 13.Ted Oates & Rip Rogers vs. Lightning Express (11/10/84) 14.Randy Savage, Lanny Poffo & Joe Lightfoot vs. Mr. Wrestling, Eddie Gilbert & Adrian Street (3/4/85) 15.Nightmares vs. Batten Brothers (12/29/84) 16.Ronnie Garvin vs. Eddie Gilbert (11/17/84) 17. Lanny Poffo vs. Jerry Oski (5/18/85)

The "backlash" of less than 30 seconds of this at Alverez's board is both hilarious and frightening. Holy shit, there's some really fucking stupid motherfuckers with computers and money out there. Many seem to be from England. I always thought "shite" was just a pronunciation of "shit" with an accent. For some reason, seeing message board posts saying "That's shite" just screams "Trying to hard to prove you're not American.", and "Aren't I just the Johnny Rotten of wrestling message boards." But what do I know, Garth Ennis uses "shite" in "Preacher" and that's the best comic book ever made.

How much is the shoot? The packaging does look great.

Ha, that's awesome. Who'd be in the Alliance ? I was just feeling nostalgic for that stuff and was about to throw in a Clash DVD from that time.

I'm half way through disc 6, but I figured I should start posting my lists. Take into account that I've never been much of a "rating matches" type guy, and my choices are based totally on what entertained me the most, usually after getting tight. Disc One: 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Terry Funk (Empty Arena) (4/6/81) 2.Jerry Lawler vs. Terry Funk (No DQ) (3/23/81) 3.Jerry Lawler vs. Crusher Blackwell (5/4/81) 4.Bill Dundee & Dream Machine vs. Kevin Sullivan & Wayne Farris (5/2/81) 5.Bill Dundee vs. Wayne Farris & Tojo Yamamoto (3/7/81) 6.Bill Dundee & Dream Machine vs. Dutch Mantell & Wayne Farris (3/14/81) 7.Bill Dundee vs. Tommy Rich (8/23/80) 8.Bill Dundee & Tommy Rich vs. Dutch Mantell & Austin Idol (3/12/81) 9.Bill Dundee vs. Larry Latham (4/19/80) 10.Ricky Morton vs. Sonny King (4/26/80) 11.Bill Dundee & Tony Boyles vs. Wayne Farris & Larry Latham 12.Dutch Mantell vs. Kevin Sullivan (5/9/81) 13.Jerry Lawler vs. Dory Funk Jr. (3/30/81) 14.Bill Dundee vs. Paul Ellering (5/24/80) Disc 2: 1.Ricky Morton & Eddie Gilbert vs. Masa Fuchi & Atsushi Onita (Tupelo Concession Stand Brawl) (9/4/81) 2.Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (Barbed Wire Match) (3/29/82) 3.Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar vs. Dutch Mantell & King Cobra (7/19/82) 4.Jerry Lawler vs. Ric Flair (8/14/82) 5.Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (No DQ) (3/22/82) 6.Bill Dundee vs. Bobby Eaton (7/24/82) 7.Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (Loser Leaves Town) (3/27/82) 8.Bill Dundee vs. Sweet Brown Sugar (2/3 falls, Scaffold Match) (6/21/82) 9.Bill Dundee, Steve Keirn, Rick & Robert Gibson vs. Dream Machine, Nightmare #1 & Heartbreakers (7/25/81) 10.Jerry Lawler & Bill Dundee vs. Masa Fuchi & Atsushi Onita (8/1/81) 11.Masa Fuchi, Atsushi Onita & Tojo Yamamoto vs. Roy Rogers, Rick & Robert Gibson (9/5/81) 12.Stan Lane & Koko Ware vs. Eddie Gilbert & Ricky Morton (No DQ, 2/3 Falls) (10/81) Disc 3: 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (No DQ) (11/8/82) 2.Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (10/18/82) 3.Bill Dundee & Bobby Fulton vs. Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar (11/15/82) 4.Jackie Fargo vs. Jimmy Hart (11/8/82) 5.Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (10/25/82) 6.Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, Dutch Mantell & Terry Taylor vs. Bobby Eaton, Sweet Brown Sugar, Rick McGraw & Sabu (12/4/82) 7.Ronnie Garvin vs. Randy Savage (Cage Match) (ICW 1982/83) 8.Fabulous Ones vs. The New York Dolls (2/3 Falls) (11/13/82) 9.New York Dolls vs. Steve Regal & Spike Huber (10/4/82) 10.Bill Dundee vs. Adrian Street, Miss Linda & Jim Cornette (Lumberjack Strap Match) (2/6/83) 11.Ronnie Garvin vs. Lanny Poffo (ICW 1982/83) 12.Bill Dundee & Jerry Lawler vs. Adrian Street & Apocalypse (11/27/82 13.Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar vs. Jacques Rougeau & Terry Taylor (1/1/83) Disc 4: 1.Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (Loser Leaves Town) (6/6/83) 2.Fabulous Ones vs. The Moondogs (Stretcher Match) (5/2/83) 3.Fabulous Ones vs. Moondogs (6/13/83) 4.Fabulous Ones vs. The Moondogs (4/4/83) 5.Fabulous Ones vs. Bobby Eaton & Duke Myers (Hair vs. Titles) (5/16/83) 6.Rock N Roll Express & Bobby Eaton vs. The Moondogs & Jimmy Hart (7/25/83) 7.Jerry Lawler vs. Randy Savage (Cage Match) (12/12/83) 8.Bill Dundee vs. Assassin #1 (9/25/83) 9.Koko Ware vs. Tommy Rogers (10/24/83) 10.Dutch Mantel, Koko Ware, Bobby Eaton & Jaguar vs. The Grapplers & Bruise Brothers (12/10/83) 11.Jerry Lawler & Cowboy Lang vs. Plowboy Frazier & Little Tokyo (12/24/83) 12.Bill Dundee vs. Tommy Rogers (11/7/83) 13.Dutch Mantell, Steve O & The Fabulous Ones vs. Adrian Street, Jesse Barr & The Sheepherders (Stipulations Match) (3/28/83) 14.Austin Idol vs. Stan Hansen (Bunkhouse Match) (10/10/83) 15.Austin Idol vs. Stan Hansen (Texas Bullrope Match) (10/3/83) 16.Bill Dundee vs. Terry Taylor (4/4/83) 17.Jerry Lawler & Austin Idol vs. Jesse Ventura & Stan Hansen (9/25/83) Disc 5: 1.Tommy Rich & Eddie Gilbert vs. Phil Hickerson & The Spoiler (Tennessee Street Fight) (6/25/84) 2.Tommy Rich & Eddie Gilbert vs. Pretty Young Things (Falls Count Anywhere) (5/18/84) 3.Jerry Lawler vs. King Kong Bundy ($10,000 Challenge) (7/16/84) 4.Fabulous Ones vs. The Moondogs (1/9/84) 5.Rock N Roll Express vs. Lanny Poffo & Randy Savage (6/25/84) 6.Jerry Lawler & Randy Savage vs. King Kong Bundy & Rick Rude (9/10/84) 7.Jerry Lawler & Randy Savage vs. King Kong Bundy & Rick Rude (No DQ) (9/17/84) 8.Jimmy Valiant vs. The Assassin (Hair vs. Mask) (4/2/84) 9.Dutch Mantell vs. Eddie Gilbert (9/17/84) 10. Rock N Roll Express vs. Lanny Poffo & Randy Savage (7/9/84) 11.Jerry Lawler vs. Randy Savage (4/9/84) 12.Randy Savage vs. Rick Rude (9/3/84) 13.The Fabulous Ones vs. Pretty Young Things (6/25/84) 14.Eddie Gilbert & Tommy Rich vs. Pretty Young Things (4/12/84) 15.Randy Savage vs. Austin Idol (5/14/84) 16.Tommy Rich vs. Masao Ito (7/9/84) 17.Randy Savage vs. Austin Idol (5/7/84) 18.Dirty White Boys vs. Randy Savage & Mark Batten (10/13/84) I'll be changing shit a bunch I'd imagine.

Find me the Muraco meatball sub match. I haven't seen it since it aired. I posted the donuts promo, but the meatball sub match was so funny.

Randy Savage in Memphis was so awesome.

Yeah,

"Stampede is blaming their low numbers recently on too much blood, NHL finals on TV, the weather, and Owen Hart and Jason being gone." That struck me funny. "Also to blame were Cheers, the Loch Ness Monster, 2% milk, Garbage Pail Kids, and the Jews."

Hell yeah, Moondogs greatness ahead. edit: Yeah, disc 4 so far is the fucking bomb. Between the awesome Fabs/ Moondogs fued and the absolutely incredible Lawler/ Dundee Loser Leaves Town match this is just the best shit ever.

Oh, bullshit. "Ready To Rumble" is fantastic "It's 3:30 am and I'm stoned" viewing.

Thanks...but now I'm really confused. How are they usually diagnosed? The JAMA article emphasizing that "brain death is real death" really throws me for a loop if this can happen. Is it possible that since there will be no organ donation with the elderly patients, that the term "brain dead" is used without testing to make the family more comfortable or something? I honestly don't understand how someone could legitimately be brain dead and then live off life support, especially since not surviving off life support is criteria for brain death in the first place. They seem mutually exclusive if "brain death is real death." It's pretty much that there's no active brain activity to speak of but the other organs are just going on for awhile until the inevitable death. Usually, the patients I'm working with have had suffered from some form of Alzheimer's or related dementia that has ravaged the brain. We never get into the why's and why nots, we just make the patient and family comfortable. But the idea that someone with a healthy history or strong constitution keeping on breathing as there's no discernable brain activity is something that happens. It also happens with chubby little old ladies sometimes. I'm not in the DX end of things, I'm in the "comfort" part. There's a lot of mysteries in the things that can happen at end of life times for seniors.

I've worked in geriatric care for over 18 years, and I can recall many times when a patient was declared brain dead and breathing tubes were removed and they hung on for awhile longer, sometimes a week or so.