Johnny Sorrow

The same applies to european wrestling. European wrestling never received any of the awards you are talking about there. I also just looked over the last 2 pages of the ***** / **** 3/4 matches thread and there were only 2 or 3 matches from europe there compared to almost everyone having matches from mexico in their list. In fact, lucha is much better represented than WoS or CWA. On the 90s yearbooks, there were only a handful of european matches but dozens of mexican ones. Actually there is near zero discussion on 90s european wrestling. Jim Breaks, probably the most beloved WoS worker, didn't even make the Top 50 in the GWE, while the two top rated brit guys all worked extensively in the US and japan. OJ has written a lot about it on this site but there's not much more discussion than that compared to the endless talking about lucha. Otto Wanz vs. Vader is almost never mentioned as one of the best feuds of the 80s. Wanz and many other deserving euro workers still are' in the WON Hall of Fame. Could it be? Are people not giving european wresting a fair shake? Is there something going on? Do I need to ignore people who praise 90s AJPW and El Dandy but don't even know the likes of Mile Zrno or Alan Kilby? Did the british not import enough US cultural hegemony? Is Meltz a US imperialist? Or could it be that people largely just don't like it/don't feel inspired to get really into it? Nah, it just sucks. 😄

And the love for "real sports" feel is totally based on tapping into those amazing feelings you had when you were a kid and you thought wrestling was real. I'm like Barbra in "Prince Of Tides".

That's an interesting take. I'm not trying to imply it's racism. I think what it comes down to is coverage and the people who run wrestling narratives (Meltzer) almost ignoring it. And a base reason for that is the fact that those people probably felt the way I described. I mean, Meltzer's love of MMA is totally based on "real sports". "It's just like wrestling, but it's real."

Grimmy Poo, I'm getting the vibe that you may be implying there's a racial thing going on, and I don't think that's it at all. To put it simply, I think that maybe the answer to your original question has to do with "real sports". (I'm speaking in huge generalizations here, so take that into account. ) A LOT of people I've talked to over the years initially got into Japanese wrestling because of the "real sports" deal. I remember lots of "It's like a real sport over there" or " The fans treat it seriously over there." talk amongst people who were first getting into it. And since lots of fans have a bit of an inferiority complex about wrestling generally being considered stupid in most places, certainly in America , I can see the appeal of getting into "serious " and "realistic" wrestling. Whereas Lucha at first viewing has tumbling heroes and villains in masks and costumes. And of course upon close examination you can find all kinds of wrestling in both cultures, I think a lot of the reasons behind your initial query are boiled down to what I was saying above. So, I think that maybe that's part of the answer to your original question.

But that's not a monopoly. Offering people more money and a larger stage is just how entertainment works.

And I seriously doubt Del Rio would give a fuck.

Again, sorry if I came off dickish there. Let's put it aside and marvel over Paul Boesch plugging the exotic pet store they got the Sheiks snake from.

Sam Roberts is doing a great job. He's totally diving into the role instead of being just an outsider who's happy to be there. Which isn't a surprise given that he's a lifelong fan.

I think all the video production and promotion of Sasha/ Charlotte has been fantastic.

Hey, it's Sam ! Awesome!

That entire segment was everything that makes wrestling awesome. I went full Sagan and gave it billions and billions stars.

You do know that Bruce and company aren't under any kind of obligation to complete baseball card collections here, right? The point of the service is to have fun with this awesome footage, not being all Rain Man about showing complete cards. I know it's easy to get that way, I guess, and I'm not being a dick. Just let it come as it may. This latest bunch of stuff is super fun, and as Paul Boesch says here, "The variety is for you......and it's good." 😎

I always thought Bertha Faye would be an awesome lay. She'd be a tiger in the sack.

I'll do your show bro. For three reasons. 1. I'm an egomaniac. 2. I love the name and the concept. 3. Cause Grimmas throws away all his " everyone should be respectful" act under a few weeks of pressure. He buckles like a belt. Apparently if the busy season went on for another month he'd be at shows chanting "Show your tits!" at the chicks.

See, I love the occasional squashes and other things that aren't "great" matches. It helps give a feel to Houston and let's face it, not everything in wrestling is just "great" matches. Watching Bock and Heenan here being cool as fuck with that groovy commentary is fucking fun. If all you get is Filet Mignon , eventually you get sick of it. My favorite thing about this service is the variety. I thought that Spoiler / Dusek match stunk. But it's fun to see so you can think about why it stunk. So you can see creative choices that didn't work. If all this service had was nothing but so called "great matches", based on a completely ridiculous paradigm, I'd have cancelled. But it's providing a full experience. I want midgets, rough broads , and squashes along with Murdoch vs DiBiase.

I have to say that Parv did a fucking amazing job editing this show. Throughout the recording I kept dropping out due to wi fi issues, and it was just a pile of audio. He took all that and mixed in all these great promos that for the most part aren't famous ones, and created a really awesome show.

I never heard he was neurotic. I've heard he's a guy who always says what's on his mind and doesn't give a shit, which has caused some problems , and he curses like a sailor. No wonder I'm a fan. 😄

Wow, two shows in and 205 Live is just the worst. 🙄 Heaven forbid you let it grow and give it a chance to introduce characters and storylines . Some of you are the same types who would have cancelled Cheers after the first season. Seriously, two whole shows and it's all "It All Stinks!" Stop it. What happened this weekend? Such an influx of "Grrrr! I hate wrestling, grr, grrrr!"

Someone else pointed this out, and I agree. I just adore the amateur psychiatrists diagnosing the imaginary McMahons,

I still don't buy this idea that "nigger" was an insider term. Bullshit. The only racist term that has a separate meaning in wrestling is "Shine".

I just watched RAW. Charlotte is the fucking best. The fact that some people still go on about her not being awesome because of what she was like as a face a year ago is such an example of weird dummies not being able to let go of shit. And, yeah, that's a thing out there amongst some "fans". Some stunted dopes just can't evolve past initial impressions . It's insane. It's like saying "I can't stand Leonardo DiCaprio. He was terrible on Growing Pains". 😄

What's even more hilarious is that she's the least hateful person the Dumb Orange Cunt has nominated. And I'm loving the whole "Pro Wrestling, really?" reaction from the real world.

Edit: stupid phone

AJ has been tremendous on the stick. His character work has been fantastic.

The Lithuanian deal was a huge news story at the time. It's still a wacky relevant thing for wrestling to latch onto. There's an amazing documentary out there called "The Real Dream Team" about the Lithuanian Olympic Basketball team in 92 that covers all this, minus the wrestling...plus The Grateful Dead. 😎