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Seriously? Valentine > Morton Gibson > Beefcake This is a no brainer.

Not following you... Old joke. Jim Ross used to screw their names up on commentary during the early 2000's.

There is a pretty decent Patera and Billy Jack Haynes vs Demolition match in late 87.

The same Bruno character, but Puerto Rican and a way better worker. People use a poor man's ___ all the time, so not much of a leap.

I'm sorry. I wish you the best with the medical treatments.

Mic work is like popularity and drawing power to me in this list. It adds a benefit indirectly, but is not something I am judging on.

Yeah, Bret was screwed by Americans right and left, so said fuck them and only supported non Americans. Very understandable.

Trish was way better than she should had been. If she came into AJW she maybe could had become a worker that could put out those 4 star matches. However, the handicap and quality of opposition was there and she never got to that level.

I really hate that metric. Does not seem like the best way to measure how well someone drew.

Yeah, that's true. I didn't mean to say that is all Benoit was about, just that is kind of what he spawned and some of the things he favoured. There is a lot of nuisance out there and really Benoit is not the extreme like say Davey Richards is. Neither is Lawler the extreme other end. Wrestling is at it's best when there is a mix of great action and great storytelling and selling.

I really think Benoit's influence on the business is a root for a lot of people's hate of modern wrestling. The go-go-go style, no selling in favour of more spots, all action and no substance. I think if more current wrestlers followed Lawler or Bret instead of Benoit the wrestling world would be a lot more enjoyable to a huge segment of the audience. For example, I doubt PWG would exist without Benoit.

Benoit is the link there. He brings out the best in people in an attempt to have a crazy fast paced exciting, but not logical and great match.

Little Tokyo is a legit top 25 favourite of mine.

Clear? Terry Funk and Jerry Lawler would still be in quite the battle.

Amazing. I love this series.

As long as nobody is voting for people that there is no footage of, I am ok. Question, does that mean that Onita is going to be number one? If he gets bonus points, plus is one of the greatest promos ever?

It was left vague so that people would make their own criteria. The problem I have with including promos is that it completely handicaps anybody who doesn't speak english. That does not seem like a fair criteria to use. I am judging on inside the ring actions. Charisma plays into that, because charisma plays into matches. Things like drawing and how big of a star someone is will play into everybody lists, at least indirectly. If you are a star, there is more footage, you have bigger matches, you have louder crowds, etc... Really the spirit is in the ring of this project, just like if you are making a greatest actors ever list you wouldn't give put Chris Pratt number one because he was in the largest grossing movie ever.

Watch stuff of his from the last 5 years. Still freaking great and may be your favourite modern wrestler.

I don't even know what a shoutbox is?

Really if they could just put up the CHV's I would be happy. I want to watch good copies of the Best of the WWF, damn it!

Am I wrong thinking that this segment freaking ruled and between this and WWIII I was super psyched to see a Hogan-Piper match in 1996? Heck even rewatching this stuff like 5 years ago those two segments did a really great job of wanting me to see a match that I knew would suck.

Making the Case will have Charles and maybe Chad on it soon. Once schedules align.

Can anyone start one of these threads? Because I'd absolutely start one for The Warlord if I could. Would he make a list I'm compiling? Hell no, but I have to admit I had a soft spot for him when I was a kid. To be nominated you need three matches reviewed. Anyone can start a thread in the microscope section though and talk about him until their heart's are content.

If you book yourself into a corner, then you might not be a good booker.

There is not one non us based wrestler if you didn't notice.