Grimmas

I demand a live watch of the Raw Brawl for a January episode!

Just watched the Super Dragon match for the first time. Between that match and the Joe match, that's an impressive 1-2 matches for anyone. He certainly was a great brawler and a master of chaotic brawls. I don't like death matches, so that hurts him for a list by me. I really need more regular type Butcher matches to watch.

Easily. It gets even worse throughout the match too. He knew it too, since it was a one match thing.

I'm starting to feel that way as well. You can make a case for Negro Casas as top ten in the world for at least 25 years. Does anybody else have that kind of longevity? I have never watched Negro Casas and thought nothing but good thoughts. The man is insanely charismatic, is a great rudo, a great technico, can brawl, can mat wrestle, can bring the emotion, has great offense and amazing selling. Even as a super old dude in 2015, he can still do great matches when given the chance in a long singles. I think after my last week of watching it is down to a Casas-Hansen battle for number one.

When can we get to the point where the WWE starts making fun of their old stars and talks up their current guys as the big thing?

Cena and Taker only was exciting, because Cena was the only one who people though could end the streak.

The only thing that could be of intrigue is Brock facing someone new in a big match. Maybe Brock-Ambrose or Brock-Rusev or Brock-Owens. Outside of that, I think I have seen every single combination of match up.

Seriously? Valentine > Morton Gibson > Beefcake This is a no brainer.

Not following you... Old joke. Jim Ross used to screw their names up on commentary during the early 2000's.

There is a pretty decent Patera and Billy Jack Haynes vs Demolition match in late 87.

The same Bruno character, but Puerto Rican and a way better worker. People use a poor man's ___ all the time, so not much of a leap.

I'm sorry. I wish you the best with the medical treatments.

Mic work is like popularity and drawing power to me in this list. It adds a benefit indirectly, but is not something I am judging on.

Yeah, Bret was screwed by Americans right and left, so said fuck them and only supported non Americans. Very understandable.

Trish was way better than she should had been. If she came into AJW she maybe could had become a worker that could put out those 4 star matches. However, the handicap and quality of opposition was there and she never got to that level.

I really hate that metric. Does not seem like the best way to measure how well someone drew.

Yeah, that's true. I didn't mean to say that is all Benoit was about, just that is kind of what he spawned and some of the things he favoured. There is a lot of nuisance out there and really Benoit is not the extreme like say Davey Richards is. Neither is Lawler the extreme other end. Wrestling is at it's best when there is a mix of great action and great storytelling and selling.

I really think Benoit's influence on the business is a root for a lot of people's hate of modern wrestling. The go-go-go style, no selling in favour of more spots, all action and no substance. I think if more current wrestlers followed Lawler or Bret instead of Benoit the wrestling world would be a lot more enjoyable to a huge segment of the audience. For example, I doubt PWG would exist without Benoit.

Benoit is the link there. He brings out the best in people in an attempt to have a crazy fast paced exciting, but not logical and great match.

Little Tokyo is a legit top 25 favourite of mine.

Clear? Terry Funk and Jerry Lawler would still be in quite the battle.

Amazing. I love this series.

As long as nobody is voting for people that there is no footage of, I am ok. Question, does that mean that Onita is going to be number one? If he gets bonus points, plus is one of the greatest promos ever?

It was left vague so that people would make their own criteria. The problem I have with including promos is that it completely handicaps anybody who doesn't speak english. That does not seem like a fair criteria to use. I am judging on inside the ring actions. Charisma plays into that, because charisma plays into matches. Things like drawing and how big of a star someone is will play into everybody lists, at least indirectly. If you are a star, there is more footage, you have bigger matches, you have louder crowds, etc... Really the spirit is in the ring of this project, just like if you are making a greatest actors ever list you wouldn't give put Chris Pratt number one because he was in the largest grossing movie ever.