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I like the SummerSlam match for a while, but when it got into finisher kick out overload it lost me. Then again, that is Taker's style now so my hopes aren't high.

My hope is that Big E is the mystery guy and takes the US Title. I would love for New Day to be heavily focused going forward. Plus Cena has faced New Day almost weekly since the last ppv, so it makes sense.

WCW has found a brand new home on the USA Network! The classic program WCW "Saturday Night" will debut on May 12th at 6:00 PM and will be a weekly 90 minute taped program that will be the flag ship of WCW television. That will not be the only WCW programming on the USA Network as the live special "Clash of the Champions" will make a return after a 4 year absence. The first will air on Monday night, May 7th starting at 9 PM. This two hour live special will be the first of three in 2001. Clash of the Champions XXXVI "The Big Bang" On May 7th ten billion years ago, The Big Bang created the universe. On May 7th, 2001, The Big Bang will be the creation of the new WCW. This time, it's live on the USA Network! Booker T and Diamond Dallas Page vs Lance Storm and Mike Awesome If Booker & DDP win then DDP gets the World Title match at The Great American Bash pay-per-view, however if Storm & Awesome win whoever scores the fall will get the title shot. Since Booker T won the WCW World Title, the WCW United States Title has been vacated. In the very first match in the tournament Rob Van Dam will face Kanyon. "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair will make a statement about his future after the vicious attack by Steve Corino, CW Anderson and Barry Windham at the final Nitro. Goldberg will make his return to WCW as he faces Kwee Wee. The rest of the show will spotlight the Cruiserweight Division. The Cruiserweight Tag-Team Champions Elix Skipper & Kid Romeo will defend their titles against Kaz Hayashi & Yang, The Jung Dragons. The amazing team of Crazy MAX (CIMA, SUWA and Big Fuji) from the Toryumon promotion in Japan make their debut against Rey Mysterio Jr., Billy Kidman & 2 Cold Scorpio. Finally the Cruiserweight Champion Shane Helms defends his title against his former partner Shannon Moore.

Monday Nitro "Night of Champions" March 26, 2001 in Panama City, FL Boardwalk Beach Resort Shown live on TNT Nitro opens up with a fireworks display over the Boardwalk Beach Resort for the annual spring breakout edition of Nitro. We cut to Tony Schiavonne and Scott Hudson who are the announcers for the evening. They talk about what a crazy week it has been here in WCW. Three days ago Fusient Media Ventures purchased World Championship Wrestling from Turner Broadcasting. Fusient named Eric Bischoff the new WCW President. What this all means is that this will be the last episode of WCW on Turner Broadcasting after a 30 year relationship. Tonight the last Nitro will be dubbed the "Night of Champions" and all five titles will be on the line. Nitro will go out with a bang! "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair's music hits as the legendary Ric Flair makes his way to the ring. The announcers ask who has meant more to WCW than Flair? Flair gives an emotional speech about WCW and Turner and their long history. He talked about Nitro changing the game and if WCW was having it's last show on Turner Broadcasting than they will have to out in proper fashion. Flair says that he will take on Sting in the main event as Sting will have one last chance to prove he is the man. -Commercial Break- Schivonne and Hudson point out two former NWA World Champions in the crowd in Barry Windham and Ricky Steamboat. They also show former ECW World Champion Steve Corino in the crowd. Everybody wants to witness the series finale of WCW Nitro. WCW Cruiserweight Tag-Team Titles #1 Contenders Match: Rey Mysterio Jr. & Billy Kidman vs The Jung Dragons (Kaz Hayashi & Yang) vs 3 Count (Evan Karagias & Shannon Moore) A crazy high spot contest that say Kidman hit a Shooting Star Press on Karagias for the win. Lots of spectacular moves in this one. Later tonight Mysterio & Kidman will challenge Kid Romeo & Elix Skipper for the WCW Cruiserweight Tag-Team Titles. Winners by pinfall: Rey Mysterio Jr. & Billy Kidman -Commercial Break- A video package is shown of the very first Nitro including Sting defeating Ric Flair. Bam Bam Bigelow vs Sean Stasiak w/ Stacy Keibler if Bigelow wins he gets to tatoo Stasiak A short match where Bigelow went the Greetings from Asbury Park, but Stacy prevented it leading to a Stasiak neckbreaker for the win. Winner by pinfall: Sean Stasiak -Commercial Break- A video package of a classic Nitro moment where Goldberg won the WCW World Title over Hollywood Hogan. WCW World Tag-Team Titles Match: Sean O'Haire & Chuck Palumbo © vs Lance Storm & Mike Awesome Palumbo plays face in peril as Storm and Awesome double team the champion, but a hot tag to O'Haire turns the tide. A Swanton Bomb by O'Haire on Awesome keeps the belts on the champions. Winners by pinfall: Sean O'Haire & Chuck Palumbo -Commercial Break- Backstage Booker T gives a speech about the end of WCW on Turner Broadcasting. He vows to end this era of WCW as the World Champion. -Commercial Break- WCW Cruiserweight Title Match: Shane Helms © vs Chavo Guerrero Jr. Chavo tried to ground Helms, but the Cruiserweight Champion could not be contained. A Vertebreaker gets Helms the win. Winner by pinfall: Shane Helms -Commercial Break- Diamond Dallas Page cuts an impassioned promo about what Nitro on TNT meant. That is followed by a highlight video of some of the stars that have appeared on Nitro's past. -Commercial Break- WCW Cruiserweight Tag-Team Titles Match: Kid Romeo & Elix Skipper © vs Rey Mysterio Jr. & Billy Kidman After an exciting contest Mysterio looked to have the titles won, but a double team by Romeo & Skipper and a pull of the tights retained the titles. Winners by pinfall: Kid Romeo & Elix Skipper Backstage Sting is here. He says "Surprise,, surprise the Sting is back! Did you think I would miss this night? Not for nothing would I miss this night. This is a historic night. One more dance with the "Nature Boy" Ric Flair. We started it years ago Ric and tonight we're going to end it once and for all. And for all you fans out there who are wondering what the future holds for Sting. The only thing for sure about Sting .... is that nothing's for sure. It's SHOWTIME!" -Commercial Break- WCW World Title vs WCW United States Title Match: Scott Steiner © w/ Midajah vs Booker T © Steiner is badly injured, but he used his power to gain an early control. However he could not stop Booker T. In the end Booker countered a power bomb and hit the Book End for the win and to become new WCW World Heavyweight Champion! Winner by pinfall: Booker T -Commercial Break- "Nature Boy" Ric Flair vs Sting Sting defeated Flair via submission with the Scorpion Deathlock following a superplex. After the bout Sting helped Flaor to his feet and shook his hand before the two hugged. Winner by submission: Sting As fireworks go off to celebrate the final Nitro on Turner Broadcasting Steve Corino and CW Anderson jumped the guard rail and enter the ring. They share some words with Flair and Sting, before Corino slapped Flair. As a brawl started Barry Windham jumped the guard rail as well and looked as if he was saving his long time friend Flair, only to chop block him. Corino, Anderson and Windham destroy Flair and Sting before the locker room emptied and rushed the ring for the save. Corino, Anderson and Windham leave through the crowd all the while holding up 4 fingers as the show faded to black.

http://placetobenation.com/this-week-in-wrestling-for-october-24-2015/ Pete, Steven and Johnny are talk This Week in Wrestling. We first talk This Week in Canadian Politics and Justin Trudeau before jumping into the first fall (2:29). The NWA Classics match of the week is Terry Gordy vs Steve Williams in a Texas Death Match where Pete was there live. We follow that with ROH TV and the Adam Page vs Jay Briscoe street fight. We finish the fall with PWG BOLA Night 2 which was a great show. For the second fall (57:51) we go international and talk about Mistico leaving AAA and NJPW in Taiwan. The third and final fall (1:13:33) begins with a quick chat about Tyler Breeze debuting on Smackdown and then jump into NXT TV. We follow that up with Table for 3 and then Raw. The show ends with Brock Lesnar on Steve Austin’s podcast.

NEW YORK, New York, March 23, 2001 - Fusient Media Ventures today announced its purchase of the World Championship Wrestling (WCW) brand from Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. (TBS Inc.) a division of AOL Time Warner. Fusient CEO Brian Bedol, and his business partner, Steve Greenberg, brought former WCW creative director Eric Bischoff back on board as WCW prisdent. "We're going to reestablish the WCW as the champion of professional wrestling entertainment." said Bedol. "There is huge untapped potential for the franchise and with Eric Bischoff on board we will crank everything up to make the WCW franchise even bigger, better, stronger and more entertaining than anything wrestling fans have ever experienced before." The binding agreement provides Fusient Media Ventures with the global rights to the WCW brand, tape library, and other intellectual property rights. The final performance of WCW Monday Nitro Live on Turner Network Television (TNT) will be on Monday, March 26, 2001. WCW will take a month off before returning on a new TV network with some brand new faces.

I disliked this too. Maybe if i watched this in isolation I might had enjoyed it, but in the middle of that PWG show it sucked. There was so much useless nearfalls and high spots that nothing had meaning. This match did stand out a little from the rest of the show thanks to Ospreay's really cool superkick variations. There was some cool spots and all, but Night 1 of BOLA was a putrid show through my eyes.

Any weird voting will be cancelled out by others.

I think looking for Andre classics will be hard, since most of his prime was not taped. Since the amount of great matches someone has had is not a huge deal to me, the work I see out of Andre makes me really high on him. His performances against Khan and Hansen showed how awesome he was in that setting. Add in the Harley and Kobayashi matches as evidence how he can work a more traditional technical style too. Some people don't like his 80's stuff in the WWF, especially the late 80's stuff but I think he was a really smart worker in those and a ton of fun, even if the matches didn't always pan out. I may be the high vote on Andre and I am ok with that. There isn't too many wrestlers I'd rather watch than him.

This to me is the main reason why I don't feel it's necessary to do it every year. The 2016 poll is going to look vastly different to the 2006 poll in any number of ways. Different people will be voting or not voting, and the same people will have watched more stuff and developed new opinions. It's a stark, visible "snapshot", as we've come to call it, of what we're all thinking "now", as opposed to "ten years ago". And I use those last two quotes deliberately because the 2006 poll wasn't really just a poll on how people felt in March 2006 (or whenever exactly they did the poll in 2006) but it was how people felt about their cumulative wrestling watching up until that point. And this poll isn't just what people happen to feel in March 2016, but it will be how their feelings have cumulatively changed since March 2006 (or for new voters, their cumulative wrestling watching up until that point). It's not just a date in time but a period of time that they represent. The 2006 poll reflects the feelings and biases and fashions of that mid-2000s period, the same way this poll will reflect our current mid-2010s fashions. If we do another poll in 2017 will it be fundamentally different to the 2016 one? I doubt it. Individual voters will watch more stuff and change their ballots a bit, people will drop in and out, but largely it won't change as drastically as between 2006-2016. So what, really, is this "snapshot" of 2017 going to say? Much the same thing as the 2016 one did, only the 2016 one was researched and participated in so much more intensely - and there's another point. I don't see how people are going to put THIS much effort into their ballot every year. And as has been said over and over, the journey for this thing is arguably more important than the destination. Everyone has been scrambling for what will be over 18 months to study for this poll. We can't do this over and over again every year. So yearly polls will only quicken, and thus lessen, the process of researching and watching that goes into making a ballot. And this conversation is coming off the back of people seemingly uncomfortable with people's level of commitment and research as is! This is a weird analogy, but this reminds me of that TV doco where they have a group of people they're studying, and they catch up with them every ten years - when they're 20 years old, 30, 40, 50, etc., and see what they've been doing and how their lives have changed. And it's the same kind of thing, the key is that after a period of ten years you can look back and see how wildly some things have changed in that time, and all the living that went into getting you from A to B, even if it isn't apparently on a daily, or even yearly, basis. If you examine them every year, you lose that perspective. To me it's the same kind of thing here. Doing a poll every year just lessens the impact the ten yearly polls have. You'll lose those big sweeping changes, those shifts in philosophy, those trends, because it's a lot harder to see them when you're looking in the mirror every morning. I think yearly changes would only be noticeable and relevant on a personal level. As you say it would basically be a reflection of what you've been watching in the last year. And hell if you want to sit down and write out your GOAT list every year, nobody is stopping you, and I'm sure people would be interested in seeing it, myself included. But I don't think that calls for a collective vote every year. Absolutely my thoughts. Lays out my argument very well. Also I love how people are using wrestler snapshot in this thread.

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What would be the upside of a yearly top 100 poll? For me, less definiteness in nature and more of a reflection that the list is ever-changing not a finite marker in time. That's a fair point. I think the ten year thing does the same thing as a yearly one. For me, if we were to vote yearly I doubt my list would change much as I wouldn't put in the time to check out new guys or watch certain people's footage as I have had for this project. Of course, if somebody wants to run that yearly go ahead, but I'm not in charge. I'd rather focus on the rumoured wrestling match hall of fame.

What would be the upside of a yearly top 100 poll?

Parv, it's bullshit. You are not voting lucha, shoot style or joshi most likely. You said as much. You can't reject major styles/areas and then say that people aren't taking it seriously enough for you.

Dylan and I had private facebook messages discussing this topic long before it was revealed to the public. The 2016 deadline I was pretty adamant about. Sight & Sound do their movie list every ten years and I am extremely fascinated by that list and it's slow changes over time. The hope is that somebody runs this poll again in 2026, even if it's done in a completely different fashion.

I really think if anybody can be considering over 100 people, then why not?

Hulu Raw (90 minutes) is somewhat difficult. 3 hour Raw (with no commercials) is unberable. 3 hours live with commercials I just can't imagine.

Completely disagree. He was a great promo and had some really good matches, even outside the Eddie series. The Big Show matches were fun. We had a long Honky Tonk reign along with him continually cheat his way to keeping the title. Also we fought a rubber godzilla in Tokyo.

Not funny, let's move on.

Lol. You are correct I think I combined her name with Thor

My thoughts exactly.

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http://placetobenation.com/this-week-in-wrestling-for-october-17-2015/ Pete, Steven & Johnny kick it to this week in wrestling. In the first fall (2:30) we start off with the NWA Classics match this week involved Dusty Rhodes/Junkyard Dog vs Ted DiBiase/Kamala in a Double Bull Rope/Double Dog Collar match. We follow that up with ROH TV, the first night of the 2015 BOLA and end it off with a discussion on EVOLVE and the WWE's relationship. The second fall (1:09:23) is all about NJPW's King of Pro Wrestling show. The third and final fall (1:29:25) starts off with talk of NXT which somehow veers into a discussion on soap operas. We follow that up with Table for 3 with Sting/Vader/DDP and end the show talking Raw.

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