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The Iron Man match often produces shitty matches, however the Steamboat-Rude one is one amazing match!

I've been watching a lot of Bossman lately. Actually I am kind of OCD and have been watching his stuff in chronological order from his WWF debut. I am up to his Hogan matches. There is one match I would like to mention that I haven't seen mentioned. It's against Koko B. Ware at MSG from October 24th, 1988. We all know Koko is really great against monsters, but this may had been the best one I saw yet. It's a lot of Bossman destroying Koko with his cool varied offence and Koko getting in a few furies of hope spots. The finish is what really stands out. Bossman does the coolest looking body slam I have seen in the history of wrestling and then goes for a big splash, which Koko moves out of the way and gets a lot of punches and stuff in, then he goes for a cross body block which gets countered into the Bossman slam for the win. Very cool finish, I thought.

You are right, 3 discs is not enough for either man.

I was thinking of these two wrestlers and comparing their careers recently and started to wonder which guy people thought was better. Both had really fun matches in long WWF and WCW careers. Both also had Japan runs and a good tag team run (Twin Towers and Faces of Fear). What is interesting is that both guys are really good in the ring, but don't have an abundance of great matches, more great performances. Is there an argument for either guy?

I'm 32. I think the 10/10/96 M-Pro ten man tag should be on a such a list. Such an insane spectacle that has been copied so many times since.

Damn right! Damn right!

How is there no thread for Little Guido. Dylan's went on about his ECW work that was great, but I seem to remember his WWE stuff being pretty good too. I really need to re-watch some of that. Just watched an UWF against Hiromitsu Kanehara http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhRgJ7LeSA and it was pretty fun even that early into his career.

I would love to watch the Twin Towers vs. Rock 'n' Roll Express.

The countdown was to the explosion, if I remember correctly.

The Shield is essentially Kaientai Deluxe without the flashy highflying with their level of double teaming and mugging. I love it. What an awesome match that was. Just perfectly built. I haven't watched TV, so watching the main event it really seemed like Punk would get a cheap win, leading to a Triple Threat at Mania. Obviously that didn't happen. So, now I have no idea what they have planned. So far we have, Rock vs. Cena Del Rio vs. Swagger Not a great start. However, for your Mexican hero babyface champ who better is there for him to face then the American anti-immigrant? Too bad that is Swagger and not JBL.

I'm currently debating whether to find a stream or go to the theater.

This is the match I've re-watched more than any other. Part of that is nostalgia and part of that is how this match has an amazing story. Matt D wrote is up pretty great. Heenan is just great in this match. Just the looks he gives and only tagging in when they have the advantage. He actually pins Jannetty, after he is killed by others. His bumping for Warrior is insane too. Jesse & Gorilla are at their height of abilities here with Jesse rooting for Heenan to win. The story is not just all about the Heenan Family trying to recover from Andre getting out early. Heenan had to insert himself in the match for Tully, to stop the Family from falling apart. You also get the sense that Haku is Heenan Family through and through and Arn is starting to question it. He gets mad at Heenan at one point for tagging him back in too early. There is a lot to this match and I look forward to more people actually giving this a shot, because its really unlike most WWF Survivor Series matches and WWF matches at the time altogether.

So, this was a pretty nice thread for the US workers and I thought it would be interesting for the Canadians as well. I think Bret Hart, Ivan Koloff, Rick Martel and Chris Benoit are pretty easy on the list. However, who are the other six? Owen Hart, Chris Jericho, Steve Corino, Roddy Piper, Abdullah the Butcher, Christian, Killer Kowalski, Pat Patterson, Gene Kiniski, Mad Dog Vachon? Some of these guys have a real lack of footage. This seems harder to make a definitive list than the US.

Speaking of Martel what matches that didn't make any of the 80's set are worth checking out?

Bossman was in 6 months before Hogan and challenging for a title on Starrcade.

How bad do you think Kane is?

I just watched every taped Vader-Angel/Boss match and damn those are great. I remember the Stampede and Fall Brawl matches, but the Bash/Havoc and Main Event matches are pretty great too. I dare say Bossman is a better opponent for Vader than Sting was.

I bet Jarrett has a bunch of forgotten or hidden gems over the WWF/WCW years. He certainly had some of the better TNA matches out there. Might be worth a re-visit.

It would have to be more discs than the Funk set, eh?

I forgot how much I liked this match. Bubba, even so green, is really great at playing his role. He looks super tough and mean, just slower and not as smart as Garvin early on. His bumping, for a big guy, is really great too. He takes this punch that bumps him to the floor, where he is immediately on his feet that looks amazing. His selling of all this is awesome. He still looks tough, just caught there. The story is what you would expect. Bubba dominates and bloodies Garvin, Garvin fights back. The piledriver is AWESOME, because Bubba is so big he can barely take it. I kind of love the finish, where they are both out and its first one to their feet. Bubba winning by cheating works, because watching this you can see that Bubba has the potential to be a star. I'd say this is an easy thumbs up and should be on the 80's set.

11/23/1989 WWF Survivor Series Elimination Match: The Ultimate Warriors (Ultimate Warrior/Jim Neidhart/Rockers) vs. The Heenan Family (Andre the Giant/Haku/Arn Anderson/Bobby Heenan) This remains as my favourite Survivor Series match ever and, perhaps, my most re-watched match ever. This match has an amazing story with Heenan replacing Tully Blanchard in the match and his actions in the match are the height of his greatest. Also, it has the best Gorilla-Jesse commentary ever as well. It's mostly a Rockers vs. Arn/Haku match with them doing the bulk of the work. It's 20 minutes of greatness. Bonus points is to watch the pre-match promo where Warrior grabs Neidhart's beard and puts The Rockers in a headlock.

We're talking about a ten year period or more, so you don't really need to undercut the argument to the best year, month, week or day. For Flair it's a ten year peak, you stated. However, you also said that the greatest wrestler of all-time is the wrestler with the greatest peak. There could be a wrestler with a greater peak, but its shorter. Where would they rank then?

I think to determine the greatest wrestler of all-time you look at everything the wrestler did. The greatest of all-time is different than who has the greatest for a period of time. If you want to just pick who was the best at their peak, then why not say the greatest of all-time is the wrestler who had the best year? The best month? The best week? The best day?

I really want a Goldust and Cody feud. So bad.

Wait... besides the Rumble and Punk-Rock is there any other matches? I don't remember the Rumble going on so early before.