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Holy shit ! Holy shit ! Holy shit ! Holy shit. For fuck's sake.

Probably a slip because he does think that Snuka snuck his way out of a life sentence for beating a girl to death.

You don't say. Tremendous match. Couldn't do much better than this. All was basically perfectly executed : offense, selling, psychology, "character work", pacing, drama (with the blood on the last part leading to an amazing "finish"), booking. Pro-wrestling at its best. MOTYC. Probably MOTY in 2005. Two great workers having a classic. That's what TNA should be remembered for.

This is so sad. Condolences and thoughts for his family and friends.

Can anyone post that "'member Goldberg ?" pic again ? Seriously, the brand new exciting thang in 2017 : Goldberg. Young fresh and new. I can't stand nostalgia in general, but in WWE, it's taken to new heighs every year. Now we're talking about DREAM MATCH WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT ™ Goldy vs Taker. Whatever happened to get caught in the zeitgeist ? Ya know, nWo, Steve Austin… Oh yeah, Charlotte vs Sasha, or Bailey. Yeah. Women. They seriously are the only thing worth being excited about on the main roster. This was *really* a revolution after all.

I've watched the Goldy squash. Hey, Kudos to him for getting a shitload of money for this. I guess he'll make more shitloads of money for some sort of rematch leading to Mania. Good for him. For shock value, it was fine. But as someone who was tired of Goldy's streak before he even got WCW title, I must admit, I would have felt robbed if I paid a cent to watch this. And as far as continuity, Lesnar the imbeatable monster squashed with three moves by a 50 year old guy who hasn't worked in 13 years is completely idiotic. But that's the WWE today. All style, zero substance. (I ffed through the multi-man elimination tag… wow… Shane McMahon, really…. this company…) Still, the good shit of the week-end : Revival vs #DIY Miz vs Sami Zayn Asuka vs Mickie James and Nak vs Joe to a lesser extent. and some parts of the women's elimination match Cherry picking is the name of the game. Just like in life.

Nia Jax looks like Chyna cosplaying Eagle Sawaii wearing a terrible dark grey Tekno Team 2000 outfit. With about the average talent of all those too. Where the hell is Emma ?

Hey, thanks to this reaction thread, I won't have to suffer through the rest of this show. Perfectly happy with watching the women's match (although yeah, Sasha's elimination was dumb as fuck after that HITC first women main event ever) and the IC match which was excellent. I'll watch Lesnar vs Goldy for shits and giggle, but really, it's kinda ridiculous.

I thought the women's match was perfectly fine, with some poor stuff and some good stuff. Nia Jax looks bad. Terrible look, no charisma or aura whatsoever. She's Eagle Sawaii with Chyna's prepped up look from 2000 doing a bunch of run of the mill power spots. Carmella was ok as Enzo & Cass's valet, but she's useless as a worker. Naomi's outfit ! Her, Alexa, Becky, Charlotte, Natalya, Bailey and Sasha all looked good to very good. Enjoyed the post match, Charlotte, is a great bitch heel. Damn, Miz vs Sami Zayn was good. Better than anything on Takeover saved for the tag match. Very, very good match with fucking hot crowd. And a fucking hot Maryse who showed energy, was active, vocal and played a part. Yeah yeah, Montreal call-back, but hey, Sami's from Montreal (isn't Maryse too ?) and really it was an old chickenshit heel tactic to steal the match, so I'm down with it. Rematch some day. Really liked this. Ok, Enzo & Cass, time to go to sleep, so I can fast-forward through the useless stuff tomorrow... Apart from the main elimination match, nothing looks any good anyway. Lesnar vs Goldy should be... interesting (?) at best. Enjoy people. I had my share for the day.

"Worst" Takeover show I've seen. With : _sorry, not buying Bobby Roode as *that good* at all. He's a solid midcarder, so the overdone intro feels forced, as does his Paul Orndorff tribute act. Plus, that intro fails to get any heat like a good obnoxious heel intro should, because it's pandering to the smart ass chant-along crowd. The song is awful too. _damn, last time I saw Ellering, he was managing DOA in an awful feud with LOD 2000. And today he seems to be managing just as bad a team in just as bad a feud. Ugly. Waste of my time. _Revival. Ok. #DIY. Ok. These tag team names all suck. But. Revival are a fucking great tag team. Great match. Not sure I'd go as far as MOTYC, not sure I'd say it was better than their last one, but a terrific match nonetheless. Stupid smart marks fan couldn't even think to chant "This is Dawson !". _Mickie James vs Asuka. What are you all talking about ? This was mighty fine. I thought James looked crisp as hell. Very good match to me. Again, stupid chant with "You've still got it". To Mickie James ? Really ? Jeeez, these people. Mickie sure looks better than anyone not in the Horsewomen or not called Emma. The issue with Asuka is that she really isn't a true heel, so she's a badass but the dynamic is always kinda weird. Deathspot too, so... _Nakamura vs Samoa Joe. Joe looked excellent, but I agree Nak is kinda coasting. Doesn't do half as much as what he used to in NJ, or even the first time he showed up. Still a very good match but they knda lost me, to much my-turn/your-turn at some point. Yeah, as a G1 match, this would be in my "very good" category. As a NXT main event, kinda underwhelming to be honest, coming after a great match and a better than expected very good match. Nak should debut at the Rumble anyway. He's got nothing to do in NXT. Well,I'd rather have him face Naito at the Dome, but... Hell, one great (maybe MOTYC) match, two very good ones. Nothing to complain about, really. Especially considering what's to come...

I honestly had no idea there was a Takeover this week-end. I thought the next one was before Rumble. Oh damn yeah, I remember, Mickie James. Well, that alone is worth watching to me. Always enjoyed Mickie. Who is Nak facing ? As far as SSeries. Yikes. Zero interest from me. Suplay City Lesnar vs banged-up-50-year-old-first-match-in-13-years Goldy to set up that awful program vs Shane at Mania. Damn. Well, going with no expectation usually works better than the other way around, so maybe it'll be fun. Well, probably not.

It's 2016. Reality-show kayfabe has been dead forever. Yeah, that one too. But Twitter is a shoot.

Indeed.

And to get back to the topic, can anyone link the clip of Styles incident ? Can't seem to find it.

^ ^ this. Funny, when I think about it, depending of the context and the issue, I can be thrown in both derogatory category (anti-PC crowd / SJW). Ignorant and judgemental people are usually the ones who talk louder, on both sides. But it always only benefits the extreme. Always.

Don't try to get me to watch Total Divas. Don't ! But hey, that's good to know. Love Lana. Way underutilized.

EDIT *nevermind* I won't feed a troll in 2016. Of course Trump is a catastrophy. Who said otherwise ? For fuck's sake. (and yeah, having friends living in countries that one might call dictatorships, to me trauma counselling at unis after an election is fucking laughable)

Trump is Berlusconi. Nothing more. Let's get real now people. Post traumatic counselling. Seriously.

Honestly, if people were a bit smarter, they wouldn't be offended when there's no offense to be taken. I still have no idea about that Joey Styles joke, because like I said, I didn't hear it (and on paper, it does sound pretty fucking bad to me). But context and knowing whom you're talking to is everything. Someone too easily offended is a sign of inflated self-importance and ego to me. (again, not talking about truly awful sexist comments and rape culture level shit like your new President said during the campaign for instance)

Word policing basically comes down to : "You can't say that, it's offensive." (implying a moral judgement on the person who says the words) It's usually extremely counterproductive, because playing victims is the favourite games of the people at the right/extreme-right. The very idea that Trump is *anti-system* is as comical as... well, the idea that ECW was *fighting against the big two*

An otherwise kinda sad PPV, with only Dustin vs Kid Kash being a good little match, but these two matches did deliver. Team Canada vs AMW was excellent, with a ridiculous sense of escalation at the end leading to a spot that did pop me and had me laugh out loud. Roode & Young are quite the fun heel team, Roode being solid and rugged and Young more Eaton-like in his bumping and offense. AMW are clearly one of the most overlooked US tag team ever, simply because they worked in TNA. The Ultimate X didn't look good on paper to me. I can't stand Williams and Sabin is pretty much an indierriffic worker himself. Damn. The gimmick probably helped a lot because it gives so many spatial opportunities to do some cool stuff while keeping the focus on trying to get the belt, as opposed to ladder matches who jumped the shark as early as the late 90's. Some of the most amazing spots I've seen, but which weren't gratuitous or nonsensical. The arm-work was quite fine and played a part, with good selling too. Williams played his part well here, Sabin was efficient too and AJ, oh, AJ was terrific. Great match. I'm amazed, because I expected a good car crash at best. This is what the X-div should be built on, it's pretty unique.

Maybe you could split the non-Joey stuff into the Military Industrial Suplex. Agreed with what has been said above BTW, by both of you.

It looks like a totally depressing dull card to me. Only the woman match can save this, it's the only one that will seem *fresh* in that setting.

Agreed. I teach French (the language), so, believe me, I know the weight of meaning and social value of words. But "pussy". For fuck's sake. People are looking at symptoms instead of trying to fix the illness. Meanwhile, Donald Trump gets elected. Pussycats are sweet and cute. It's an affectionnate word for the female sex. Much, much better in French than "con" too (which has been replaced, thankfully). Pussy is a nice word. We don't have any nice ones for the male sex BTW. Dick. Hey, dickhead ! Well, it works in French too. "Tête de noeud" = "dickhead". Dawn Marie (pro-wrestlingonly) ? What has she been up to since she was (supposedly) doing seedy charity work ? (was that proven ? is she part of Jeffrey's Ponzy scheme now ?)

Except, and I'm only guessing, it probably became slang for people acting wimpish, as an extrapolation on men being "strong and brave" and women being "fragile and, well, wimpish". Therefore, reducing the entire gender identity to its actual sex (sorry, I can't use the word "genitalia", it's too stupid sounding, it's like a police report) as a metonymy. Therefore, "pussy" really meaning "girl" in a negative way, *in this context*. Therefore... But anyway. I haven't seen the video, so I canno't judge of the joke being efficient and funny or completely offensive. Needless to say, Styles being a Trump sympathiser doesn't make it sound too good/funny to me, but then again, not seeing/hearing it, not commentating on it.