Matt D

We know it's not Scott Steiner.

Only on house shows.

Boston crowds may be different than Oklahoma City ones, but my friend last night said that during one match there was a Roman Reigns sucks chant followed shortly thereafter by a "We Sold Out" chant.

I said almost!

I appreciate Marty's tastes. They're earnest, enthusiastic, and add a great deal the community. I'm sure he'll settle down once he sees the wiser part of 30. He's the Tom Zenk to Kelly's Rick Martel, but, you know, with more upside. The Justin Gabriel to Kelly's Matt Hardy?

I think Santo is absolutely immune to reevaluation, to the point that I bet he made it at least 1 Number 1.

Sometimes I wonder if I ranked Casas low. Which is almost impossible. Almost.

I'm much higher on Lesnar's first run than his second one.

Lesnar benefits from several things:1)WWE 2)recency bias 3)uniqueness I didn't rank him. The long term damage of having him work versus Angle is showing now. He makes people feel something in an age where it's hard for people to feel anything. He feels special in a world where nothing else does. That says a hell of a lot more about the world than it does about him. He certainly didn't make my list.

I have Casas over someone I never thought would move from his spot. Every match is such a joy. I watched this yesterday (excuse the 1.5 speed and note that I am taking life and limb in hand by posting it because it may freeze my account here). Look at that use of the cameraman. Just a random match lost to the annals of time and look at that! You find stuff like that in almost any Casas match from almost any era.

I think Lesnar and Michaels will be very high. 20s high.

With Owen, I'd say that people, in general, value his earlier workrate stuff less and his later character-driven stuff more relative to 2006.

I went #10 on Virus, and I think people could find that just as dubious as someone going #10 on Owen, so I'm hardly in a place to talk (even if I think there's a much stronger case for Virus).

I've got ~41 left which isn't so bad considering how goofy my list is.

The Sarge Peak Matches argument was strong, especially because it can be said in 2-3 sentences. I was not expecting Martel to end with "I've never seen a great Martel Brawl." but I'm not sure. I need to rewatch some things. In my mind the Funk WWC match is 10 minutes of stalling and then brawling, but I don't think it is. I need to rewatch the comebacks in the Sheepherders matches. There weren't any brawls after the AWA bloody Freebirds Martel angle? I guess that I'm immediately not sure, that's an issue, but I'm not sure that'd affect my rating anyway relative to other things.

I guess it depends on if you did your list based on in-ring work alone, or included the other aspects of being a great wrestler. I thought of his ability to connect with the audience and amazing promo skills. I ranked him higher than this. He does have great matches as well, so I wouldn't say he's "way too high" yet... Just my opinion... I feel like this might distract from the broader issue at hand. Let's say Punk gets 100 votes. From the discussion we've had here, I could see 10 of those factoring in his promos, maybe less. That goes back to the anonymity and latecomers, of course, but the wild majority of people voting in this process indicated here that they were voting on ringwork based on footage alone. I think it's more productive to look at what in ring aspects people might have voted Punk this high on.

Big jump on the list as we have our first person with over 100 ballots.

I nominate Steven to be the one to tell Han that his hair is goofy.

That Kennedy steel cage match is so tremendously bad too. Tremendously.

I think that's part of it, but Muto also had the American run that is remembered pretty well. I wouldn't be surprised if we got some ballots with him as the only Japanese guy. I can't imagine something like that.

That might be the most brilliant explanation for Angle that I've ever read. Tip 'o the cap to you, sir. Sounds like a great candidate for someone's favorite wrestler. Not quite sure what he's doing here, though. To be fair that could describe Terry Funk or Dick Murdoch just as easily. Funk or Murdoch ain't going home in a cab. They'd either drive themselves home or get hauled into the local jail to sleep it off following a brawl with the entire town's police force. Funk would get out of the jail stay too, because he'd be selling so fucking well that the cops would be completely fooled.

That might be the most brilliant explanation for Angle that I've ever read. Tip 'o the cap to you, sir. Sounds like a great candidate for someone's favorite wrestler. Not quite sure what he's doing here, though.

But often used it for evil.

I sure as hell blame you. Me too at this point. Especially since Raven deserved a much higher spot from me. I should have had Nash at 100. Hey, maybe his TNA years will convince me to do it for 2026… probably not. Now I'm just sitting back and enjoying people getting mad a Kurt Angle making it this far. I didn't even vote for the guy, but I feel kinda vindicated. Now you know how I feel about Hogan/Piper/Dusty making the top 100 people. Except for the things that got Dusty/Piper/Hogan on the list are the very things that Angle lacks.

If your friend is going to wax poetic about the "greatness" of Kurt Angle then tell him no. I'm at least glad Angle didn't make the top 50. So it looks like the answer is "no, it's not safe". Got it. Back to my WWE loving hole in the ground. Can I interest you in my pamphlet about Mark Henry?