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Ok, that's surreal.

Amusingly, at one point of what little they showed of Backlund's speech on TV, he mentioned being in the Hall with such good company and they cut to a few HOFers in the crowd, and one person they cut to was Hayes.

Can you imagine if Vince lets Terry in but only if he goes in as the Red Rooster?

Butch Reed?

I think at least half of this board have transcended that for the most part just through sheer volume of what we've watched.

Are there really that many places on the net that Bret would have done as well as he did here?

I kind of want to read that Hennig article.

http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimate...ic;f=1;t=101446 I saw that show exactly one time, in I think 1994, when I was spending a few weeks during the summer with relatives in Rhode Island. They had one of those old antenna TVs that would pull in about 5 channels, maybe a couple more if you were persistent enough or depending on the weather/time of day, and this WWF show I'd never seen before popped up on a local UHF on a Saturday afternoon. I only caught the last 15 minutes or so which mostly consisted of local promos for upcoming house shows, and I never saw it air anywhere else again. Even then I got the sense that it was the lowest rung of local WWF tv. I assume it mostly just aired on small north east/new england stations to promote house shows. I kind of love the local nature of WCW Pro Chicago, so I'd probably dig it if I could see some of it.

Welcome to the last bastion, Brian. I feel bad you didn't get to stick around for Raw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=GcMJi1JUczE Cena's post Raw promo was really good.

Good question. But, my argument (and maybe Loss's too) is that even if he turns "heel" officially, will that change? Or is it the nature of today's business? Within the scope of the WWE model, I don't think him turning can garner anymore heat overall than he gets now. Curious who the last true heel in WWE was...the guy people "pay to see lose". If he "officially" turned heel, the guys he wrestled would be different.

No opinion here. Just tossing this out: Do people buy tickets and/or tune in to watch him get beat though? Do they buy tickets to boo him? Do they buy tickets to cheer the guys he's wrestling? Especially outside the Night after Mania.

Clamoring for a triple threat really kills your fundamentalist wrestling fan gimmick I don't think it's that hard to break a three way in an interesting structural way. There are other factors that generally prevent it.

I kind of hope they go for a three way. I know grumpy people hate those but it could be a lot of fun.

I really do love the post-wrestlemania Raw crowd.

Nov 5, 1977 Buddy Rose vs Sam Bass 2/3 Falls This is pretty awesome. First fall is Bass just dissecting Buddy's arm. They had a match the week before so this is hateful but not in a brawling sort of a way. It's more to show Bass' superiority and to keep Rose from running away. Just a brutal mauling of the arm til he gets the first fall. Second fall is Buddy running while selling. Cheapshotting while selling. And then starting to work over the back. He's really good at that and it sets up the Billy Robinson Backbreaker for a completely believable second fall despite the first fall's mauling. Third fall is Buddy getting busted open and stumbling around on the outside while scratching his head dazed. It's actually really great and ends with special ref Dutch Savage tossing him in repeatedly til Ed comes out and nails Savage leading not just to a DQ but more importantly letting Dutch offer Bass his newly created cyclone fence cage. Great storytelling to set up the blowoff cage match. Really great Wiskowski promo postmatch complaining about the cage.

Who cares? This is a godsend. Rock doing the "Thank you" 20 minute goodbye speech would have been the worst.

rovert.

Someone compare and contrast WMVII with this Mania.

Also, and I said this earlier. To me, it didn't look like Taker ate the G2S. it looked like Punk couldn't hit it right and Taker either blocked it or took it on the chest/stomach. Then bounced off the ropes. It was visually distinct and significant and that's why it didn't hurt the match for me. I've seen the spot 3-4 times now and I still take that away from it.

The problem this year is that it didn't feel like that much of a spectacle either. A couple of entrances (way down from usual), UT/Punk, and the crowd reaction to Daniel Bryan post match.

Your computer sides with me. Just call it "Shaska"

To be fair I did miss the opener, but that show was dreadful. I mean, it might have been fine for something else, but it was a terrible Mania. A few fun six minute sprints. Rock vs Cena felt like weird performance art to me, not a wrestling match. I don't see how that was even close to good. It was like the last five minutes of a normal WWE main event match but for 25 minutes. I didn't find Escalating Reversals to be a particularly sound narrative. As for the rest, I like the entrances. I like the backstage BS where Mean Gene shows up in some goofy situation. I like guys getting to talk backstage at Mania to prep for a match over really well produced video packages. It makes things feel special. We see video packages all the time. I like the spectacle of it and I didn't get any of that here. And of what I got instead, none of it felt particularly worth it. Even then, if this thing existed in a vacuum it'd be okay. But the idea that they're going to continue from it tomorrow? With a bunch of rematches and a few shifts here or there due to the part timers? Ouch Edit: To also be fair, part of the problem wasn't the show but the card. Someone just asked me what single result I'd change in order to improve things, and with the way they laid it out and built it up, there's not a hell of a lot to be done there. That said, the show only partially helped and in some ways very much hurt.

Can we close this note before Johnny gets home from the bar or whatever? Let's all just move on before he ruins our night more?

You know those assholes who get pissy when things happen logically and they're not swerved? I think I'm with them this once, because logic was pretty damn painful tonight.