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Yeah, Sherri was great.

Let's see how they can build Tensai out of this too.

Don't even joke. Lesnar's going to come out and Sid whoever's in the ring first, probably Miz and Kofi or something.

Can anyone prove otherwise on that? Was that spot never used in the early-mid 70s?

You were difficult even then, huh?

I forget his name but Sean Mooney was on his honeymoon for this taping.

Meta reactions like that are interesting. For instance, I liked Punk vs Henry (1) more specifically because I was frustrated Punk didn't sell his back in the WM Punk/Jericho match. The second I saw him do that, I sort of marked out for it because it was so blatantly different than what had just bugged me.

It really wasn't a huge TV feud. I'm sure there were event center promos and head inserts for matches, but yeah, no big blowoff. After Mania, Dibiase was with Virgil and Kerry was paired with Warlord for the next many months. I don't think there was any tv angle to set up that. He sort of floundered against Skinner, Berzerker, and Hercules (and more often than you would think) Kato (and Flair on the Europe tour) after that, until getting suspended in February 92 after his arrest.

They feuded from January to March, all the way to Mania, actually. A lot of the later matches had Virgil in Kerry's corner.

British Bulldogs were really bad about it. They took way too much of the match as their own.

Traditionally do people outside the top echelon of WWE get motivations? Tensai is pretty easy to me. He was a former WWE wrestler. He went to Japan. He destroyed a bunch of guys there. Now he's back to destroy a bunch of guys here.... also he has a worshipper.

Vic's noted that Umaga had a lot of time to work dark matches and get the gimmick down first, and I think that Albert probably needed that. The hand motions are pretty embarrassing.

I think the general consensus is that he needs some more time to get the gimmick down. Personally, I wish they would let him go crazy with his moveset. I NEVER think that Movez is the answer, but this is probably the exception. Right now Henry is doing the power stuff so much more impressively on the same show and over on smackdown Skip is bringing the crazy intensity. Tensai is sort of stuck in the middle with only the senton to see him through. Really, he needs to be on the opposite show of Henry though.

Does Heel In Peril work better when the heels are the tag team champs? Especially if the faces are larger.

WWE, usually part of Raw Streaming while I'm watching something else on the exercise bike. Smackdown I catch streaming either Friday morning at work or sometime later on the bike. With liberal skipping. PPVs in bits and pieces. FCW usually streaming at work while I'm doing things after the fact. Sometimes while on the bike. When I have no backlog of either of these I watch either ECW 08 on hulu (just past one night stand now. God Big Show was awesome in that). or 1992 WWF which I'm working through, Superstars while at work, on youtube, and spot matches on dailymotion/youtube using history of WWE to figure out what I'm looking for between PPVs, while on the bike. Before Justin.tv went down I was watching MidSouth, NWA, and Memphis. Now, not so much. Though there are a lot of cool bits of memphis history in multiple parts on youtube. I recently watched some of the 1990 Eddie Gilbert stuff. And of course, once the AWA set hits I'm going to do that on the bike most of the time (I go 5-6 nights a week for an hour at a time). I'll watch NXT Season 4 and catch up after I finish 08 ECW.

This is funny just because you can kind of picture yourself back in 1967 saying this about Pro Wrestling. "Where does the work start!" I'm not saying MMA is worked obviously. It just seemed funny to me.

Would innovation just be moves? Would it be match type? Or is it more that he's talking about elements of psychology? Or even elements of what wrestling is? I had a post saying some of the above but I didn't like it and scrapped it. I think we should probably break off on innovation though.

Hypothetically doesn't the f4wonline.com name sort of help avoid a wrestling stigma? Actually, someone answer me this. If we're excluding lapsed wrestling fans who already had subs, are there any people out there (not here obviously, just in general) who read the WON just for MMA news?

Who would possibly not be a fan of the Gorilla/Polo commentary team?

we live in a world where Vince probably knows who Rob Naylor is. A strange strange world indeed.

Right before I went off to England for a year in 03, my college roomate, as a birthday present, got us tickets to a MSG house show. It's my only time ever going to a show there and business was way down in 03 so we were able to get really great seats. Not ringside but the next best thing. Great atmosphere. I don't remember a ton of stuff. I remember Tazz getting a great pop and that feeling special. I remember the main event being awesome. it's on a fancam on youtube and I have to watch it at some point. It's a really fun card on paper. I wish I remembered it more.

I used to joke that this board was a Dave Meltzer watchdog group, but I think we've hit the point that it's sort of asinine to even bother joking about that. That said, can anyone point me to a juniors match on the indies in the last year with really good psychology? Most of the stuff i see pimped are more along the lines of Sami Callihan or Luke Gallows or what not. The issue is the style itself. It's evolved to a point where you have to get in all your shit and work a rapid fire pace or else the fans will shit on the match since they're conditioned to be gorged on action and moves and fighting spirit and what have you. It's a vicious circle, especially since if you won't work that match, someone else on the card will.

People on DVDVR (and maybe here?) smartly pointed out that Vince is getting whatever he can out of Brock before he flakes.

WWF around this time is generally terrible at call-backs. In the build to Savage/Warrior II at Summerslam, they never once mention that Warrior retired Savage or that Savage cost Warrior the belt.

Neither here nor there but I was watching Savage/Warrior from Summerslam 92 for the first time in ages and it's amazing how much more blown up Warrior was in that match than in his other big ones.