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They feuded from January to March, all the way to Mania, actually. A lot of the later matches had Virgil in Kerry's corner.

British Bulldogs were really bad about it. They took way too much of the match as their own.

Traditionally do people outside the top echelon of WWE get motivations? Tensai is pretty easy to me. He was a former WWE wrestler. He went to Japan. He destroyed a bunch of guys there. Now he's back to destroy a bunch of guys here.... also he has a worshipper.

Vic's noted that Umaga had a lot of time to work dark matches and get the gimmick down first, and I think that Albert probably needed that. The hand motions are pretty embarrassing.

I think the general consensus is that he needs some more time to get the gimmick down. Personally, I wish they would let him go crazy with his moveset. I NEVER think that Movez is the answer, but this is probably the exception. Right now Henry is doing the power stuff so much more impressively on the same show and over on smackdown Skip is bringing the crazy intensity. Tensai is sort of stuck in the middle with only the senton to see him through. Really, he needs to be on the opposite show of Henry though.

Does Heel In Peril work better when the heels are the tag team champs? Especially if the faces are larger.

WWE, usually part of Raw Streaming while I'm watching something else on the exercise bike. Smackdown I catch streaming either Friday morning at work or sometime later on the bike. With liberal skipping. PPVs in bits and pieces. FCW usually streaming at work while I'm doing things after the fact. Sometimes while on the bike. When I have no backlog of either of these I watch either ECW 08 on hulu (just past one night stand now. God Big Show was awesome in that). or 1992 WWF which I'm working through, Superstars while at work, on youtube, and spot matches on dailymotion/youtube using history of WWE to figure out what I'm looking for between PPVs, while on the bike. Before Justin.tv went down I was watching MidSouth, NWA, and Memphis. Now, not so much. Though there are a lot of cool bits of memphis history in multiple parts on youtube. I recently watched some of the 1990 Eddie Gilbert stuff. And of course, once the AWA set hits I'm going to do that on the bike most of the time (I go 5-6 nights a week for an hour at a time). I'll watch NXT Season 4 and catch up after I finish 08 ECW.

This is funny just because you can kind of picture yourself back in 1967 saying this about Pro Wrestling. "Where does the work start!" I'm not saying MMA is worked obviously. It just seemed funny to me.

Would innovation just be moves? Would it be match type? Or is it more that he's talking about elements of psychology? Or even elements of what wrestling is? I had a post saying some of the above but I didn't like it and scrapped it. I think we should probably break off on innovation though.

Hypothetically doesn't the f4wonline.com name sort of help avoid a wrestling stigma? Actually, someone answer me this. If we're excluding lapsed wrestling fans who already had subs, are there any people out there (not here obviously, just in general) who read the WON just for MMA news?

Who would possibly not be a fan of the Gorilla/Polo commentary team?

we live in a world where Vince probably knows who Rob Naylor is. A strange strange world indeed.

Right before I went off to England for a year in 03, my college roomate, as a birthday present, got us tickets to a MSG house show. It's my only time ever going to a show there and business was way down in 03 so we were able to get really great seats. Not ringside but the next best thing. Great atmosphere. I don't remember a ton of stuff. I remember Tazz getting a great pop and that feeling special. I remember the main event being awesome. it's on a fancam on youtube and I have to watch it at some point. It's a really fun card on paper. I wish I remembered it more.

I used to joke that this board was a Dave Meltzer watchdog group, but I think we've hit the point that it's sort of asinine to even bother joking about that. That said, can anyone point me to a juniors match on the indies in the last year with really good psychology? Most of the stuff i see pimped are more along the lines of Sami Callihan or Luke Gallows or what not. The issue is the style itself. It's evolved to a point where you have to get in all your shit and work a rapid fire pace or else the fans will shit on the match since they're conditioned to be gorged on action and moves and fighting spirit and what have you. It's a vicious circle, especially since if you won't work that match, someone else on the card will.

People on DVDVR (and maybe here?) smartly pointed out that Vince is getting whatever he can out of Brock before he flakes.

WWF around this time is generally terrible at call-backs. In the build to Savage/Warrior II at Summerslam, they never once mention that Warrior retired Savage or that Savage cost Warrior the belt.

Neither here nor there but I was watching Savage/Warrior from Summerslam 92 for the first time in ages and it's amazing how much more blown up Warrior was in that match than in his other big ones.

No, damn you. It's a REVOLUTIONARY way of saying he has good heel mannerisms! I have no idea. It sounded good at the time though?

I feel like people are actually sort of straining to come up with things in the Best TNA Match ever. And for a promotion with ten years of weekly tv (including multiple shows for various periods) and monthly PPVs, that's pretty rough.

Yeah Sandow is a really great heel live. Really came across like a star and a guy who was ready to take that gimmick to prime time when I saw him in Dec Some of my favorite live wrestling experiences were going with my college roommate and a guy a year or two above us to Chaotic Wrestling in 00 in Boston and watching Aaron the Idol Stevens and his (literal) life size britney spears cut out doing his stchick. It was like his OVW character turned up to 11. He was the third guy in a stable called One Night Stand and would stand outside the ring in their matches selling everything that was happening in the ring. Just awesome over the top comedy timing.

WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - April 20, 1991 (matinee) Rick Martel did not appear as scheduled Bret Hart fought the Barbarian to a draw Ricky Steamboat defeated Haku Ted Dibiase defeated Roddy Piper when the referee stopped the bout due to injury Kerry Von Erich fought the Warlord to a double count-out Sgt. Slaughter defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via disqualification The Berzerker defeated Tugboat WWF IC Champion Mr. Perfect defeated Davey Boy Smith Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty defeated the Orient Express I WISH I remembered the show better. I was 9. But I bet Steamboat vs Haku was fun. I bet Perfect vs DBS was fun. And I can't believe I don't remember the Rockers vs Orient Express match since i was a huge Rockers fan. BUT I'll tell you what I DO remember (past Hogan, who I really loathed at 9 losing due to using a chair Slaughter brought in). I had a friend, a special kid who was the younger brother of a girl on my sister's youth soccer team. I kind of looked out for him. Well, his Uncle worked for Titan sports, so we got comped when they came around. More than that, twice we got to go backstage. This was the first time (The second was Survivor Series 1993 and it was a lot less special, but I do have a pic of me with the smoking guns somewhere). My pal got scared about seeing Sgt. Slaughter and backed out at the last second so it was just me and the uncle. Somewhere shortly after the first match we went backstage and went looking around for a Wrestler. The first guy who showed up was a just out of the showers Bret Hart. He was super nice to me despite having just wrestled and showered and what have you and I came out of it with a signed ticket and a great memory.

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I see a whole lot of "fun spot fests" mentioned. I'm not saying I'd want to avoid X-Division guys altogether, but I do wonder if the promotion, over its timeline, has a lot to offer that's NOT a fun spotfest.

We don't have a note on the 70s IWA do we?

Did Christian have any matches that would qualify? When he came back to WWE in 2009 he was a great babyface.