Matt D
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What maters more? What happens in the match or how it's executed?
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His corkscrew elbow had to be a revelation in 1984.
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I do wish I knew who came up with the idea to use the stairs.
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I think there was a curiosity factor for the diehards on how they would present Brock, how his style has changed, how they were going to book the thing, etc. I don't think that it was enough, necessarily, to warrant a buy a month after the inflated Mania price.
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pay attention to my talking point! Patterson vs Anderson! The guys laying out the big matches matter. I'm only partially kidding.
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I'll say this. I think Cena would be just as good in 1988. In some ways, even better as a total act, since his promos would have been against the screen and shorter
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I may have been speaking more generally.
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Why? Because opportunity matters to me. What the wrestler actually does with the opportunity given matters. You watch enough matches with someone, you see how they move, why they move, and you can extrapolate. It's the ten minute vs thirty minute match argument. So long as you have ENOUGH matches to work off, you can extrapolate. Some guys aren't put in a position to have as many great matches. Talent does not always rise in wrestling, because what the general audience is looking for isn't always what we're looking for. Completely alternatively, isn't this argument, in some ways, Pat Patterson vs Arn Anderson?
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I'll take attributes over output anyday.
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If I was going to go for it, I'd go gung ho. As many matches as possible. I'm used to watching EVERYTHING available when I watch something. Obviously I wouldn't do that here, but I'd watch anything I thought would enhance the end product. What's the point of doing it half way if it's as good as the op says. -
It seems like a hell of a payoff, but I'm not sure if I'm up to handling the learning curve right now.
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The WTF!?! Have they lost their minds?! thread
Matt D replied to Mr Wrestling X's topic in Pro Wrestling
I'm dealing with the weird logic gaps surrounding the 93 Rumble right now. First Savage knocks down Yoko and tries to pin him. Then the next night on Raw, Bartlett goes "At least you knocked him down!" To Savage, and Vince plays it down something fierce. "Well, I don't know about that. No one's ever knocked Yokozuna down." So that they can do the Duggan challenge (announced that week on Superstars, played out the following week). It was so weird because it's one thing for Yoko to get knocked down and them to just pretend it didn't happen, but the guy who did it was in the booth, and more than that, it was the FINISH of the Rumble. Crazy stuff. -
So. high praise doesn't even begin to cover this. I've seen 0, nada, zilch, ajw. I kind of want to see all of this stuff, but I'd forever be worried that I was missing nuance and context due to the language barrier.
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To me, none of that matters. They built it up for YEARS as death. That's what matters. I don't care if his finisher was blowing someone over really hard like the big bad wolf. If they built it up properly then it works for me. Wrestling is fake.
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Warrior is a guy who benefits from our shifting perceptions, I think. he could follow instruction. He could follow along with simple stories. In 2012, his stock is raised far more than it would be in 2002. He's still not great or anything but there are plenty of guys who bring a lot less to the table. That he was so highly produced is actually the thing he has going for him the most.
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[1993-01-09-WWF-Boston, MA] Ric Flair vs Bret Hart (60-Minute Iron Man)
Matt D replied to Loss's topic in January 1993
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It's fun and I was really glad when it turned up but it's still sort of slight compared to the other things mentioned. But the big thing with me (again) was that I had no use for Demolition as a kid. By the time I started watching they were Smash and Crush and past Sting and Barry Windham as a kid I hated anyone over 250 lbs, really. I was a scrawny kid and only wanted to see little guys.
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Aw, c'mon, considering Andre's immobility the MSG Colossal Connection match is great! And the entire Twin Towers series is really good too. I've seen four house show matches between them and I'd recommend all of them. I think someone on the board actually complained that Demos were selling TOO much in one, like they WANTED the heel in peril formula for some weird reason. I won't defend the Powers of Pain matches much. They're slight. But the Twin Towers matches and the Colossal Connection match are better than any of the Strike Force one. They're better than Summerslam 90 too.
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If anyone does rewatch, I'd be curious to hear thoughts. I kind of want to rewatch Punk vs Cena from last year too. I have a hard time figuring out what a better Punk match would look like than this, but that's where I'd start looking.
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There was a GREAT kid with a Sheamus sign at one point too.
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I kind of want reluctant Show/Otunga as tag team champs.
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I just noticed it way more than usual. Maybe because I was watching more closely or something. No idea. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow which I always do with matches like this. I don't think his selling was bad, I just thought there was a lot of signature offense that involved leaping/kicking/using the knee/et after the leg work. Again it's not a match killer, but it's the reason on first watch I have it a bit lower than the top two matches from the last ppv I think part of it was self aware, though. It was a story element. In part, it's why Punk went for the leg in the first place. But more importantly, the dropping of the kneepad was a huge moment. Just like the charging knees to the ribs relatively late in the match. It was a self-aware escalation despite the risk. It was a "high risk decision." I'm not mixed up on which leg that was, am I? I wouldn't put that past myself. I'd really have to see both this and Bryan/Sheamus again. I loved them both too.
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I think the leg selling was done pretty well, myself. There were little things, like him getting up to the top too quickly and then selling AFTER the dropkick, which if we're going to compare it against top notch stuff matters, but i don't think there was a point where he forgot to sell it either before or after a move. It was always on his mind and never dropped or tossed aside. But yeah, he always remembered either before or after, never always before AND after. There's so much stuff in this match to like I'd have to rewatch it a few times.
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Fucking awesome. The ONLY naysaying I have at all, the ONLY is that we saw SO much in the way of calling spots. They were talking to each other like crazy and the camera did a terrible job of hiding it. But there was so much awesome, the figure four attempts, and then the SNAP dragon whip into it. One of my favorite things in wrestling is setting up move attempts that pay off later and there was just so much here, SO much. But it wasn't cutesy. And there was heaps of story and they sold things and everything had meaning and weight to it. God that was awesome.
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Honestly, the RF guys are sort of the best of most evils. I'd rather have a complete chronological rundown than spending two hours on three stories. It'd be one thing if we heard a bunch of stuff by most of the guys interviewed, but if you have one shot at John Nord, I know what I'd prefer. To cover as much ground as possible, even if you don't get as much detail as you'd want on anything. What bugs me more are the "key" questions, like asking everyone in the world about the Von Erichs and how fucked up they were.