I've also never been a Minoru Suzuki guy. I like some of his shoot style stuff a lot - a couple of those bouts are tremendous - and he has a couple 2010s New Japan matches that I thought were fantastic as well, but there's so much of his stuff that I want to actively switch off that it tips the scale entirely. Back in 2021 when we started revving this thing up again, I made a point of subscribing to New Japan World (is that still a thing?) to watch some of his more recent stuff, maybe kill a few birds with one stone and watch some Shingo, Ibushi, etc., the folks who'd made a real case since 2016. I hated pretty much all of what I watched (Shingo and Ibushi included) and gave up after like four matches. The modern strike exchange is what it is and those guys are far from the only offenders, but Suzuki doing it was even less fun than usual. I'm all for snarling demented goblin looking bastards clonking people in the head now and then, but I'd have Suzuki significantly lower than 00s Kikuchi if that's what we're looking at. I also maybe haven't seen the right stuff, but he's never struck me as the proper evil sadist people often talk him up as. Is this coming from matches where he's stretching people out and working guys over? Or is it him throwing elbows, sticking his tongue out and asking to be elbowed back? Because I'd take recommendations for the former, but the latter I've seen enough of and it's not making me forget a Murakami or a Kurisu.
Yeah, Owens is one of my least favourite wrestlers ever. Outside of the Austin match at Wrestlemania I don't think I've enjoyed one Kevin Owens match since he's been in WWE, and there really aren't that many before that I remember liking a whole lot. He's just never resonated with me on any level.