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[1997-02-01-ECW-Crossing the Line Again] Paul E. Dangerously promo
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in February 1997
I liked how the heels and babyfaces were separated here, and of course the fans live and die with Heyman's sell of the PPV. He might've been a total bullshit merchant, but when he turned it on he was a hell of a hype man.- 6 replies
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I don't really know what's going on here with the who's-side-is-she-on Lori and the bWo t-shirt, but either way I agree that this feels like a feud that could be doing with a conclusion already. Richards standing up for himself again was good stuff, but I thought the finish was a little too cute.
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I generally don't give a single shit about Raven but this was totally fine, and I'm much more likely to find him tolerable when he's cutting short promos like this than those longer ones about whatever the hell.
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Is this the best promo Taz has ever cut? Everyone got torn through the coals here and I've never bought him as a badass more than I did here. No idea if the match with Sabu will be any good, but Taz has made of it a thing I'm actually interested in watching and I can't say I've ever really been bothered about watching him before (although I like Sabu).
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Phenomenal promo. I saw this a few years ago and was blown away by it without actually knowing when it was from, so as soon as this popped up I hoped it I hoped it was the same one. How can you watch this and not want Funk to win the belt? Man that guy is the fucking best.
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[1997-02-01-WWF-Shotgun Saturday Night] Interview: Headbangers
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in February 1997
Well this sure was a thing. Pettengill's reaction is shared by many, I'd imagine. -
Luger hitting the ring at the end was definitely a refreshing - and probably needed - twist on the norm, as the norm had been played past the point of it truly resonating by now. I mean, I'll usually get a kick out of Hogan hamming it up to ridiculous degrees, but you can only really go so far with the B-teamers getting slapped about the ring before Giant ends up inevitably going down under the nWo's weight. Was it '97 or '98 when Luger got red hot for a minute there?
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Hogan's bullshit and constant lying through his teeth around this point is fucking awesome. Bischoff is egging him on every step of the way and Hogan talking about how he beat Giant with a reverse fireman's carry was amazing. Bischoff's fawning over Hogan is almost comical. If Dillinger wasn't clearly telling people in the crowd to stop flinging shit I imagine the ring would've been full of garbage in pretty short order.
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[1997-01-27-WCW-Nitro] Randy Anderson, NWO, Rick and Scott Steiner
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
This ruled. Bischoff's reasoning is clearly nonsense, but it's steeped in enough corporate bullshit that you know he can justify it. Hall throwing the toothpick in Anderson's face after Randy talked about his battle with cancer somehow made him come across as more of a prick than the guy firing Randy in the first place, which is quite a feat. Tell me there's a payoff to this. Hall continuing to shit talk the Steiners as they hand the belts back was great as well. Hall and Nash were usually playing everything cool around this point, but there was really nothing about how they acted here that made you want to cheer them. Great stuff.- 8 replies
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[1997-01-27-WWF-Raw] Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker and Steve Austin
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Not nearly as hot as last week, but another fun segment with the main event players that builds the Final Four. This was one of Undertaker's better promos to this point because he got to say some of his goofy shit about the dark side and taking Shawn's soul while sounding genuinely menacing rather than cartoony. Austin smelling an ambush and getting Ross to interview him in the aisle was a very cool touch, as was him calling someone front row a punk and telling them to shut it. He isn't red hot yet from a fan connection perspective, but everything he does when you stick a mic in his face right now is absolute money. I also quite liked Shawn's promo. Wasn't anything particularly memorable, but he got his point across fine and didn't strike me as being disingenuous with what he was saying. I haven't watched the four way from In Your House in about ten years so if nothing else they got me hyped to check it out again. -
Cool opening to what was certainly a ballsy concept, even if financially it never really hit. Everyone rolling into the arena in the back of a garbage truck was certainly interesting.
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They were probably reaching the point of diminishing returns with this match-up and that was before they ran it again two days later. Still, this was sort of amusing for Hogan horseshittin' it up like a weasel. I didn't know they had Patrick work this whole PPV so that's...a new thing I now know.
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Eddy Guerrero vs Syxx (Ladder)
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
I thought this was alright. Some of the ladder spots looked pretty nasty, like Eddie being flapjacked knees-first on the ladder (even though that was probably a bit flubbed), and overall they worked a decent wrestling match built around a small handful of big moments. Eddie has an awesome run after the heel turn and we're not quite there yet, but I've always liked this well enough as a look at him starting to find his feet a bit more as a pure babyface. You could tell he never really put it together as a character until the turn, because by October he was a sneering asshole with charisma out the wazoo whereas here he still seemed a bit reserved. Bischoff must've spent a good three minutes trying to put Waltman over as a legit karate practitioner - while also putting over his own karate prowess, because if HE wasn't a master of the discipline then how could he possibly know for sure that Waltman was? - only to later tell us Waltman missed a stamp to the solar plexus despite clearly stomping the ladder into Eddie. The way him and DiBiase played up Scott Hall giving him ladder match pointers was cool, though.- 13 replies
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs Rick & Scott Steiner
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Decent last few minutes and a cool moment for the title change. Nash's bump for the German suplex was pretty huge and sort of surprising. Scott and Rick looked kinda rough at points and, based on what we get, I agree that Hall looked the best of the bunch.- 10 replies
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Diamond Dallas Page and the NWO
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Not quite as hot as the Nitro angle, though much the same as that and Page hitting Diamond Cutters before leaving through the crowd will always get a response. Buff's been a fun shithead since joining the nWo and feels like one of the only B-teamers who adds something to proceedings beyond a warm beyond on which to throw an nWo shirt.- 7 replies
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This was the only match from Elimination Chamber that I was bothered about so naturally it only lasted a couple minutes and was mostly about the post-match (which was pretty great as an angle, tbf. Becky sure laid it in with those crutch shots). I'm glad they decided to give them some time for a rematch because it was mighty fun. You knew there was going to be some Riott Squad interference in this, but I thought they did it in a way that made Ronda look like a killer who most folk can only beat with shenanigans while keeping it below the point where Ruby looked TOTALLY out of her depth. The interference itself was pretty inventive as well, especially when Morgan and Logan just yanked Ruby out the ring to prevent the armbar, which then led to Ronda hitting that wild cross body where she was all elbows and knees at awkward angles. Some of Rousey's execution is still raw enough that a couple strikes will whiff completely, but on the flipside of that everything else has the recklessness of a legit fighter trying to find her feet pulling off all these pro wrestling moves. Plus her bumping always looks rubbery and she'll often launch herself face-first into things like a nutjob. I liked how she sold the ribs here as well. Riott never went after them for any real length of time, but she threw some knees and bailed herself out with a spear, so Rousey sold it as an injury that hampered her in the first half of the match before it ceased to be a problem. Basically it was a nice example of middle gear selling lots of people don't bother with. Some of my favourite parts of Ronda's matches now are when she'll throw out an awesome bit of offence we haven't seen before and this time it was when she reversed the dragonrana by launching Ruby into the turnbuckle. Her throws at the start also looked great and the armbar setup as she scaled Ruby's body was badass. I dug this.
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This was like the best possible version of a rounds-system RINGS fight between an old disgruntled ex-sumo wrestler and a younger, fatter ex-sumo wrestler. I mean I've watched a stupid amount of matches comprised of five three minute rounds the last few years. Some from RINGS, some from UWFi, some of them shoots, some of them not, but none of them this much fun. Tenryu looked every bit as great in 1994 as he did in 1993 and some of his selling was absolutely phenomenal. He sells Kitao's first flurry of Vader-ish soup bones likes he's been concussed, rolls out the ring grimacing after a leg kick, eats shots like he very much did not expect to be eating shots; he's one of the best sellers ever and always brings an awesome, subtle hint of realism to things. Of course he also wallops the dogshit out of Kitao. At one point he had him in the mount throwing forearms and punches, rasping his displeasure at Kitao having the audacity to cover up, so he just started choking him with the collar of Kitao's own gi. I liked how they started incorporating more of the pro-style elements round to round as well. In round one the closest thing to your pro wrestling was a Tenryu chop. In the second round he thumped Kitao with an absolute bastard of a lariat, a koppo kick that connected with both heels straight to the cranium, and Kitao hit a huge uranage. By the third round you had Tenryu trying to powerbomb him and Kitao hitting a fucking Michinoku Driver! Kitao's ax kick at the end about had me on the floor and Tenryu selling it like it shattered his clavicle is why he is the very greatest of them all. If Kitao has a match that's better I'll be surprised because this was just absurdly fun.
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Well, start as you mean to go on, I guess. This was the main event of the WAR debut show and if you had any questions as to how things would be done in this particular Tenryu fed then they were answered pretty quickly. What a spectacular festival of violence this was. It almost felt like the best possible version of your classic WAR formula threaded through a dramatic double heat segment AWA tag. It had the extended beatdowns and the hope spots and cut-offs. It had the hot tags and even hotter finish. Only here the extended beatdowns were attempted homicides and the hope spots and cut-offs a hundred times more vicious. Here the hot tags led to someone's orbital bone getting demolished and the even hotter finish had someone getting dropped on their neck. The match starts with Tenryu and Kabuki pairing off, a couple guys who've worked together for years settling into this new home they've come to share. So Tenryu just chops him dead in the trachea inside twelve seconds. Just a totally inordinate and unnecessary response to what had been a simple shoulderblock. Kabuki is left rolling around clawing at his throat and I half expected the ref' to give him an emergency tracheotomy. And basically we're off to the races from that moment on. Orihara was tremendous in this and it felt like a true star-making performance. He gets absolutely smashed to bits. Him and Kitahara is a match-up that fucking ruled in SWS because Kitahara would just beat the brakes off him, but nothing like this. At one point Orihara did a kip-up and backflipped out of a top wrist lock and Kitahara obviously hated it because he made his life a total misery thereafter. There was one part where it looked like he was going to hit a piledriver, but then he muscled him up a bit further and hit a fucking Ganso Bomb! Kabuki never could backflip very well so he made the kid's life a misery too. I don't think I've ever seen Kabuki work stiffer than this. Everything he did was the most potatoey version of it possible, from his neckbreaker to his uppercuts under the chin, then he'd tag in Kitahara and Orihara would be kicked full force in the ear and neck. And what really made it was the way Orihara kept trying to fight back. He'd always try to throw punches or struggle to create some distance, although it usually only ended with him getting walloped even harder. It made everything feel uncooperative, like he did not want to be set upon like this and that he wasn't just there to take a beating and tag out, which at times almost made it an uneasy watch. The first hot tag was pretty much perfect as he fought back by kicking lumps out of Kitahara in return, then Tenryu came in taking heads off and from there everything went up another few notches. The back half of this had something wild or awesome or outright barbaric - sometimes all three at once - happening every few seconds. Orihara's second heat segment sees him get the shit kicked out of him even worse than before but he fights back by crushing Kabuki with two dives. Tenryu breaks a chair over Kabuki's back so later Kabuki superkicks him in the throat. The partner saves are just stupid brutal even for WAR as Kitahara ends up with his eyebrow split in half. All of the Tenryu/Kitahara sections towards the end were incredible and Tenryu trying to punt his spleen through the uprights was fucking unbelievable. It honest to god might've been the most hellish beating he's ever delivered to someone. I mean think of the SCOPE of that! Just amazing front to back. The WAR Main Event Tag is an acquired taste, but this was a classic of the genre and might be the best WAR match of them all.
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[1997-08-15-LLPW] Shinobu Kandori & Mizuki Endo vs Yumiko Hotta & Kumiko Maekawa
KB8 replied to Jetlag's topic in August 1997
How in the name of Christ did Kandori ever get a shitty rep as a worker? This was fucking wild. It's largely strikers (Hotta/Maekawa) v grapplers (Kandori/Endo), but the wrinkle is that Endo can't really hang and so it feels like Kandori often has to go it alone. It didn't help that Endo charged Hotta before the bell and I guess got punched or stabbed in the guts for her trouble, so she started the match even more handicapped than usual. Hotta and Maekawa were an unbelievable pair of thugs in this. About six seconds in Hotta punts Endo's teeth through the back of her head and from that point forward she and Maekawa throw a staggering amount of vicious kicks. Some of these were truly vile and they came in multiple shapes and sizes. Maekawa would fold Endo in half with a camel clutch while Hotta would blast her in the chest, then they'd switch over and try to outdo each other. Hotta was swinging for the fences like she always did, but her partner on the night had her beat. Maekawa was always stiff as a bastard, like Murakami only with kicks and even more reckless into the bargain. She was hitting ax kicks to the forehead and neck, pump kicks to the face, roundhouses, Wanderlei punts, penalty kicks, the whole repertoire of gratuitous violence. Kandori as walking tall badass was amazing, though. The first time she gets in there's a palpable sense of shit getting real and those moments where she was launching folk with judo throws and snapping into submissions were awesome. There were parts where Endo was lying half dead somewhere so she'd have to weather the storm by herself, taking one opponent down only to be kicked ridiculously hard in the face by the other, which more than once led to her being kicked ridiculously hard in the face by both of them. She's usually a great seller of strikes anyway, maybe my favourite in all of joshi, and there was one shot from Maekawa that was near Fujiwara level. All of the exchanges with Hotta ruled as well. You can sort of understand how it isn't really mentioned as a classic feud in the joshi pantheon, but every time they match up it's nuclear. The slow circling, the mugging, the shit-talking, Hotta's strikes v Kandori's wrestling, those highlights like Kandori spearing her out her boots and raining down elbows. How has this gone so far under the radar? Finish is awesome as well. Endo's been taken out for the umpteenth time and Kandori is trying to finish Maekawa, but Hotta won't give her a second's peace and is constantly breaking up submission attempts. Kandori clearly tells her to fuck off out the ring, and as she goes to leave Kandori jumps her and chokes her out. Kandori finally has Maekawa one on one and now she has until Hotta regains consciousness to put her away. The armbar at the end is grotesque and Endo managing to hold off the reawakening Hotta was a great little slice of revenge. I thought this was incredible and one of the best joshi matches of the decade.- 2 replies
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This is one of the only big ECW angles of the year I'd already seen, and it's one of my absolute favourites the company ever did. First time I saw it was on Will's ECW set and I had no idea it was Rude initially. "Who's that? Juventud Guerrera?" Then the guy in the mask gets in the ring and Douglas looks him up and down like "shit, that's way the fuck not Juventud Guerrera." I flipped out as soon as he started talking and of course everyone else knew who it was straight away too. As far as ECW dick jokes go I imagine the hung like hamster line is up there as one of the better ones (and Francine's reaction ruled). The pop for Pitbull #1 is wild too and this whole segment came off great.
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I thought some of his content came off a bit lame, but I agree that he projected an aura of dude you don't really want to mess with pretty well. The crux of his point seemed to be fuck Sabu but fuck the fans as well, even the ones who agree with him, because they haven't earned the right to talk shit about any wrestler the way he has. Fuck everybody, basically. But Sabu especially.
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Yeah, Tommy's beatdown looked way better than the Triple Threat's. Funk going apeshit and hurling chairs in a fit of rage was also pretty great and I loved Francine responding to her adoring audience by blowing them a collective kiss. Which probably wound them up all the more.
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[1997-01-25-USWA-TV] Flash Flanagan update / PG-13 promo
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Yeesh, that was some acting job by Flash's old man. There's something amusing about the idea of fans calling the studio to check up on a wrestler in 1997. I mean, obviously it was nonsense, but the fact a promotion is still using that line on TV is a throwback in itself. Fitting that it'd be Memphis, I guess. -
[1997-01-25-USWA-TV] Jerry Lawler and the Make-a-Wish Foundation
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
The cynic in me initially thought this was going to be some kind of swerve, but pretty soon it became clear things were on the level and we got a classy little segment out of it. Nice stuff. -
Fun studio match between two guys who could work this kind of thing in their sleep without ever coming across as two guys working in their sleep. Smothers in particular was really animated and of course these crowds will eat up any shtick around a Lawler punch. I agree with soup that this feels like a natural pairing. Feels like one that could've produced a Mid-South Coliseum classic had their primes coincided a little more conveniently.