BigBadMick Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd always thought that Piper had a very lengthy no pinfalls policy prior to WM8. I've seen him pinned by Snuka in '85, is that were it began? Or was it more a 'not losing to Hogan' policy? Also, after WM8, he seemed very selective about pinfall loses - are there many examples? Brody - I know he dropped a fall to Abby in World Class in late '87. When was he last pinned prior to that? Steve Williams/Terry Gordy - Did they both refuse to lose in the US because of Japan (the Hansen/Brody excuse)? Did they enjoy lengthy non-pinfall stints in US also? Hogan - Atlas, Andre, Warrior. Is that it from 1981-90? I'm fascinated by how wrestlers could get away with this for so long. I know, it was a different world, wrestlers had more control over their careers etc but still, Jesus! *I include submission losses in all these too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Brody got pinned by Kabuki in Texas in either 1981 or early 1982. I think that was his last job before the Abby match which you speak of (which I don't remember seeing, was it filmed?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Not sure, just read about it in an Observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'm guessing that loss happened so Brody could get the Red River Jack masked gimmick going as that happened in or around that time frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Piper was pinned by Flair (feet on ropes) at MSG in Oct 91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Piper wrote in his book that he wouldn't let Hogan pin him because he knew that if he did he would just wind up stuck in the mid-card afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Cool. What about Steve Williams? I remember his ECW title loss at start of 97 beinghis first US pinfall in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'm guessing that loss happened so Brody could get the Red River Jack masked gimmick going as that happened in or around that time frame. Did he drop any falls in All Japan in 87-88? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Brody had a pinfall loss to Jumbo in '88, but that was after the Abby match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 funny one to me from around that same time is WWF jim duggan. i swear that guy never got pinned clean, at least on TV. though you do have some non-clean ones like the WM4 dibiase match and the savage one, and i don't know about house show results. bad news brown was also way more protected than you would expect, though i would imagine he had plenty of house show jobs to hogan & savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Half the WWF roster in the late 80's was protected. Clean jobs unless you were wrestling Hogan or Warrior were super rare. There's a whole tier of guys (Savage, Piper, Dusty, Rude, Perfect, Jake, Dibiase, Duggan, Bravo, Bad News, Bossman) who rarely jobbed clean except to those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy hats Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yeah, was watching a random SNME (May 1989) a few weeks ago and Duggan beat IC champ Rick Rude by countout and thought that was a bit WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 i just find duggan & bad news (& bravo, good call there) more interesting examples since they were clearly lower on the totem pole than the rest of those guys, yet still got similar protection duggan was kinda like koko in that his gimmick could keep him over, but unlike koko he needed to look strong for his gimmick to work. i think that was the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 At the point Bravo and Bad News came in, it might have been more a case of Vince promising limited or no pinfall losses just to get them there and prevent them from going to WCW or anyone else they were looking to bury. The roster was big enough in the WWF at the time to have them float around the mid-card without losing via pin much, if at all. Duggan was stupidly over from the get-go as I remember, which definitely helped in his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'd argue that Bravo -- theoretically -- was treated as an upper midcarder, especially during the Earthquake run in 1990. He slipped down the card in 91-2. I think he was protected to maintain his drawing power in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRobb123 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I think from 87 - 90, Duggan was rightfully treated like a absolute tip-top of the upper mid card guy. He acted as the Hogan understudy, including main eventing MSG against Andre. Then he got a feud with Savage in the summer of 1989. Frankly, he would have made more sense main eventing Summerslam that year teaming with Hogan. If he'd carried Hogan's bags like Beefcake did, maybe he would've. I'd put Roberts, and eventually Bossman, in the same stratosphere. Bravo… the still 10-year-old in me from 1990 just doesn't see him as a big deal. Him being a top heel to feud with Hogan/Warrior felt weird, and kind of messed with my belief in kayfabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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