Wrestlers Who Dislike One Another

[BigBadMick]

Arn and Sid shook hands in a mid-1999 Nitro. I think that was to signify them putting it behind them.

 

Sid also expressed regret over it in an RF shoot sometime prior to that.

[Strand Peanut]

Misawa - Kawada

 

Could just be as simple as Misawa saw K as his junior, and he should know his place. K thought differently ? Their shared history is quite long is it not ? I'd doubt it was just one thing..

 

Whatever it was, it only added to their positions as classic foils for one another.

[artDDP]

Was there any actual evidence that Savage and Hogan made amends before Randy's death? I can't imagine everyone taking Hulk's word for it considering his prism of reality. Maybe Lanny said something and I missed it.

 

Lanny said on this week's Wade Keller audio interview that Savage wound up taking his mom to the hospital at the same time Hulk was there. When Savage found out Hulk was there he found him and they hugged.

[jackwebb]

He said that Hogan had told people in TNA about him and Savage laying their problems to rest before Savage even died.

 

I watched the Warrior video years ago. My memory of it was Warrior saying Savage invited Hogan to a BBQ and Hogan thought that going to a BBQ was beneath him and turned him down. Either way though it at least shows that this wasn't some story Hogan came up with out of the blue. I don't really consider it my business though and hate even giving it that much thought. Hogan and Savage were clearly close at one point. My Uncles didn't get along when one died. If they living one has to pretend that things were smoothed over to make things easier on him now so be it. Not a big deal.

[Seej]

Technically not wrestlers, but Jim Cornette and Vince Russo is the first one that came to mind. It's so bad that, for a time, Jim wouldn't deal with Kayfabe Commentaries because they did some projects with Russo.

[Memphis Mark]

Randy Savage and Bill Dundee. During the Jarrett / Poffo promotional war , Bill Dundee had the logo " Macho Man " on the back on his tights. Randy Savage took it as a insult. Savage and his crew confronted Dundee in the parking lot of a Nashville gym. Legend has it that Dundee tried to pull a gun , so broken his jaw with an alleged sucker punch.

 

 

When the Poffo family worked for Jarrett , Dundee was booking for Watts. I do not think Dundee and the Poffos were ever on A Jarrett card together . I could be wrong , but I think Dundee was in Mid- South for the entire Poffo Memphis run.

[Memphis Mark]

Robert Fuller and Jerry Lawler were not best friends. Fuller was raised in the Welch family that ruled wrestling in South. Robert and Ron Fuller were trained by Buddy Fuller . They were trained as shooters / hookers from an early ages. The Fuller Brothers and their cousins were bought up in the old ways of the Welch family.

 

Jerry Lawler came into the business without having to go thur all the years of training. Lawler did not have the shoot background of the Welch's , so Robert Fuller did not respect Jerry . Lawler and Fuller were working a big program , when Robert told Lawler that he could kick his ass anytime he want and Lawler could do nothing about. Lawler was concened that Fuller would shoot on him and had Jarrett end the money making program . There were hard feeling . I got most of this info from listening to Fuller's shoot interview

 

I guess matters were made worse when Jarrett kicked Buddy Fuller out of the Memphis offfice. Robert Fuller was the Memphis booker in 79 and Jarrett fired him as well. Jarrett and Lawler ended up with Memphis , Louisville and Nashville. While the next generation got Welch's/ Fuller's / Golden's were left with the lesser Knoxville and the old Field's Gulf coast territory .

 

Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden did work in Memphis again until 1988 , after Ron Fuller solded the Welch promotion to David Woods..

[KrisZ]

Yeah but in 1988, Lawler was touring AWA champ and not in Memphis all the time

[goc]

Yeah but in 1988, Lawler was touring AWA champ and not in Memphis all the time

I'm pretty sure that their times in Memphis were also when Jerry Jarrett was doing the booking and they weren't in on any of Lawler's stints.

 

I am glad they ended up going back though because the thing with Robert Fuller interviewing Nick Gulas about how Jerry Jarrett stole the promotion from him is one of my favorite Memphis things ever.

[UKWildcat]

Randy Savage and Bill Dundee. During the Jarrett / Poffo promotional war , Bill Dundee had the logo " Macho Man " on the back on his tights. Randy Savage took it as a insult. Savage and his crew confronted Dundee in the parking lot of a Nashville gym. Legend has it that Dundee tried to pull a gun , so broken his jaw with an alleged sucker punch.

 

 

Not sure you can call anything a sucker punch once a gun is pulled.

[UKWildcat]

Robert Fuller and Jerry Lawler were not best friends. Fuller was raised in the Welch family that ruled wrestling in South. Robert and Ron Fuller were trained by Buddy Fuller . They were trained as shooters / hookers from an early ages. The Fuller Brothers and their cousins were bought up in the old ways of the Welch family.

 

Jerry Lawler came into the business without having to go thur all the years of training. Lawler did not have the shoot background of the Welch's , so Robert Fuller did not respect Jerry . Lawler and Fuller were working a big program , when Robert told Lawler that he could kick his ass anytime he want and Lawler could do nothing about. Lawler was concened that Fuller would shoot on him and had Jarrett end the money making program . There were hard feeling . I got most of this info from listening to Fuller's shoot interview

 

I guess matters were made worse when Jarrett kicked Buddy Fuller out of the Memphis offfice. Robert Fuller was the Memphis booker in 79 and Jarrett fired him as well. Jarrett and Lawler ended up with Memphis , Louisville and Nashville. While the next generation got Welch's/ Fuller's / Golden's were left with the lesser Knoxville and the old Field's Gulf coast territory .

 

Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden did work in Memphis again until 1988 , after Ron Fuller solded the Welch promotion to David Woods..

From Tim Dils interview with Jerry Jarrett on kayfabe memories

 

Dills: Since we're talking some about Buddy Fuller, he became your partner after the split. Buddy had a long career working behind the scenes in Georgia and Florida after retiring from the ring. How involved was Buddy in working with you those first few years and what led to Buddy selling his part of the company? I have heard about the Welch family training wrestlers through the years around Dyersburg, did help train some guys when he came back?

 

Jarrett: As stated, Buddy was never involved in the promotion of the Tennessee territory. For a time, Buddy owned a farm in west Tennessee and during that time, he opened a wrestling school. I brought Buddy into the business as a political move and because his father was in great part responsible for me getting started in the business. Buddy asked if I could secure television in Ohio because he wanted to get active again in the business. I got television in Cincinnati, Dayton, and a couple of small markets in Ohio. I put the Memphis TV on in the towns and booked the first couple of tours with this talent. Buddy and Louis Tillet moved to Ohio. The plan was for them to begin with some of the Tennessee talent and develop a crew and begin producing their own television shows. The split was fifty-fifty in Ohio between Buddy and I.

 

On the first night of the first tour, Bill Dundee called me and alerted me that things were 'beginning to smell funny' already. Dundee said Fuller came to the dressing room and told the talent that he had found a back door to the building open and hundreds of fans were coming in the door. Bill said the place was very near a sell-out. Various stories came in during the remainder of the tour, much like the first night, but with different twist. One spin was that the talent was told that most of the crowd was 'paper' because they wanted to have a big crowd on the first night. There is an old saying that goes, 'if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is probably a duck.' Well, this tour was walking like a duck and quacking loudly. I called all the buildings and because I had set the buildings up in the first place, asked that copies of box offices reports be sent to me. When Buddy showed up in Hendersonville with a check and reports that failed to match the reports from the buildings, he realized his hand had been called. I advised him that he and Louis could have Ohio and I'd run the Tennessee area. I already had a contract drawn in anticipation of his report. He signed the contract and that was the end of our partnership.

 

Years later, Buddy called and asked if the IRS had contacted me. I said no. Buddy advised that they would be calling and that he had told him that he had no assets and asked if I would do the same. I said no. I explained that while I had few fears, the one I did have was messing with the IRS. I told him that unless he forgave the remainder of the contract, I would have to report it. Buddy was then faced with being caught lying to the IRS or forgiving the balance of the contract. Buddy forgave the contract. After Buddy's death, his wife and Ron Fuller, Buddy's son, found the contract and got an attorney and sued for the balance of the contract. With Buddy dead and the issues of involving the IRS, and the fact that Buddy had left small children with little means of support, my attorneys advised that winning the lawsuit could be as costly as the settlement. I settled with Buddy's widow.

[Memphis Mark]

 

Randy Savage and Bill Dundee. During the Jarrett / Poffo promotional war , Bill Dundee had the logo " Macho Man " on the back on his tights. Randy Savage took it as a insult. Savage and his crew confronted Dundee in the parking lot of a Nashville gym. Legend has it that Dundee tried to pull a gun , so broken his jaw with an alleged sucker punch.

 

 

Not sure you can call anything a sucker punch once a gun is pulled.

 

Why Not ? They said Dundee was pulling a gun and Savage punched him on his blind spot. That is called a sucker punch in Memphis. Maybe they call it something else in Kentucky. The story was that Dundee was surrounded by Savage , Angelo , Rip Rogers and George Weingeroff . The legend is that Dundee was going for a gun and Savage punched Dundee on his blind side and broke Dundee jaw . Dundee never saw the punch coming. I was not there , I am only repeating the story . Rip Rogers , and Dundee know the real story .

 

Anyway , I think it say to say Dundee and Savage disliked on another.

[goc]

Dundee didn't really change his tune after Savage died either based off the podcast with Terry Simms (Garvin)

[Memphis Mark]

 

Robert Fuller and Jerry Lawler were not best friends. Fuller was raised in the Welch family that ruled wrestling in South. Robert and Ron Fuller were trained by Buddy Fuller . They were trained as shooters / hookers from an early ages. The Fuller Brothers and their cousins were bought up in the old ways of the Welch family.

 

Jerry Lawler came into the business without having to go thur all the years of training. Lawler did not have the shoot background of the Welch's , so Robert Fuller did not respect Jerry . Lawler and Fuller were working a big program , when Robert told Lawler that he could kick his ass anytime he want and Lawler could do nothing about. Lawler was concened that Fuller would shoot on him and had Jarrett end the money making program . There were hard feeling . I got most of this info from listening to Fuller's shoot interview

 

I guess matters were made worse when Jarrett kicked Buddy Fuller out of the Memphis offfice. Robert Fuller was the Memphis booker in 79 and Jarrett fired him as well. Jarrett and Lawler ended up with Memphis , Louisville and Nashville. While the next generation got Welch's/ Fuller's / Golden's were left with the lesser Knoxville and the old Field's Gulf coast territory .

 

Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden did work in Memphis again until 1988 , after Ron Fuller solded the Welch promotion to David Woods..

From Tim Dils interview with Jerry Jarrett on kayfabe memories

 

Dills: Since we're talking some about Buddy Fuller, he became your partner after the split. Buddy had a long career working behind the scenes in Georgia and Florida after retiring from the ring. How involved was Buddy in working with you those first few years and what led to Buddy selling his part of the company? I have heard about the Welch family training wrestlers through the years around Dyersburg, did help train some guys when he came back?

 

Jarrett: As stated, Buddy was never involved in the promotion of the Tennessee territory. For a time, Buddy owned a farm in west Tennessee and during that time, he opened a wrestling school. I brought Buddy into the business as a political move and because his father was in great part responsible for me getting started in the business. Buddy asked if I could secure television in Ohio because he wanted to get active again in the business. I got television in Cincinnati, Dayton, and a couple of small markets in Ohio. I put the Memphis TV on in the towns and booked the first couple of tours with this talent. Buddy and Louis Tillet moved to Ohio. The plan was for them to begin with some of the Tennessee talent and develop a crew and begin producing their own television shows. The split was fifty-fifty in Ohio between Buddy and I.

 

On the first night of the first tour, Bill Dundee called me and alerted me that things were 'beginning to smell funny' already. Dundee said Fuller came to the dressing room and told the talent that he had found a back door to the building open and hundreds of fans were coming in the door. Bill said the place was very near a sell-out. Various stories came in during the remainder of the tour, much like the first night, but with different twist. One spin was that the talent was told that most of the crowd was 'paper' because they wanted to have a big crowd on the first night. There is an old saying that goes, 'if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is probably a duck.' Well, this tour was walking like a duck and quacking loudly. I called all the buildings and because I had set the buildings up in the first place, asked that copies of box offices reports be sent to me. When Buddy showed up in Hendersonville with a check and reports that failed to match the reports from the buildings, he realized his hand had been called. I advised him that he and Louis could have Ohio and I'd run the Tennessee area. I already had a contract drawn in anticipation of his report. He signed the contract and that was the end of our partnership.

 

Years later, Buddy called and asked if the IRS had contacted me. I said no. Buddy advised that they would be calling and that he had told him that he had no assets and asked if I would do the same. I said no. I explained that while I had few fears, the one I did have was messing with the IRS. I told him that unless he forgave the remainder of the contract, I would have to report it. Buddy was then faced with being caught lying to the IRS or forgiving the balance of the contract. Buddy forgave the contract. After Buddy's death, his wife and Ron Fuller, Buddy's son, found the contract and got an attorney and sued for the balance of the contract. With Buddy dead and the issues of involving the IRS, and the fact that Buddy had left small children with little means of support, my attorneys advised that winning the lawsuit could be as costly as the settlement. I settled with Buddy's widow.

 

 

This is in Jarrett 's s autobiography . This is Jarrett story . Buddy Fuller is not here to tell his of the story . I am sure that Jarrett story has some elements of truth . However Jarrett has having to pay Buddy Fuller every month for supporting him in the war with Gulas. I am sure that Jarrett wanted Buddy out of the way and this was the way to do it.

 

 

Robert Fuller and Jerry Lawler were not best friends. Fuller was raised in the Welch family that ruled wrestling in South. Robert and Ron Fuller were trained by Buddy Fuller . They were trained as shooters / hookers from an early ages. The Fuller Brothers and their cousins were bought up in the old ways of the Welch family.

 

Jerry Lawler came into the business without having to go thur all the years of training. Lawler did not have the shoot background of the Welch's , so Robert Fuller did not respect Jerry . Lawler and Fuller were working a big program , when Robert told Lawler that he could kick his ass anytime he want and Lawler could do nothing about. Lawler was concened that Fuller would shoot on him and had Jarrett end the money making program . There were hard feeling . I got most of this info from listening to Fuller's shoot interview

 

I guess matters were made worse when Jarrett kicked Buddy Fuller out of the Memphis offfice. Robert Fuller was the Memphis booker in 79 and Jarrett fired him as well. Jarrett and Lawler ended up with Memphis , Louisville and Nashville. While the next generation got Welch's/ Fuller's / Golden's were left with the lesser Knoxville and the old Field's Gulf coast territory .

 

Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden did work in Memphis again until 1988 , after Ron Fuller solded the Welch promotion to David Woods..

From Tim Dils interview with Jerry Jarrett on kayfabe memories

 

Dills: Since we're talking some about Buddy Fuller, he became your partner after the split. Buddy had a long career working behind the scenes in Georgia and Florida after retiring from the ring. How involved was Buddy in working with you those first few years and what led to Buddy selling his part of the company? I have heard about the Welch family training wrestlers through the years around Dyersburg, did help train some guys when he came back?

 

Jarrett: As stated, Buddy was never involved in the promotion of the Tennessee territory. For a time, Buddy owned a farm in west Tennessee and during that time, he opened a wrestling school. I brought Buddy into the business as a political move and because his father was in great part responsible for me getting started in the business. Buddy asked if I could secure television in Ohio because he wanted to get active again in the business. I got television in Cincinnati, Dayton, and a couple of small markets in Ohio. I put the Memphis TV on in the towns and booked the first couple of tours with this talent. Buddy and Louis Tillet moved to Ohio. The plan was for them to begin with some of the Tennessee talent and develop a crew and begin producing their own television shows. The split was fifty-fifty in Ohio between Buddy and I.

 

On the first night of the first tour, Bill Dundee called me and alerted me that things were 'beginning to smell funny' already. Dundee said Fuller came to the dressing room and told the talent that he had found a back door to the building open and hundreds of fans were coming in the door. Bill said the place was very near a sell-out. Various stories came in during the remainder of the tour, much like the first night, but with different twist. One spin was that the talent was told that most of the crowd was 'paper' because they wanted to have a big crowd on the first night. There is an old saying that goes, 'if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is probably a duck.' Well, this tour was walking like a duck and quacking loudly. I called all the buildings and because I had set the buildings up in the first place, asked that copies of box offices reports be sent to me. When Buddy showed up in Hendersonville with a check and reports that failed to match the reports from the buildings, he realized his hand had been called. I advised him that he and Louis could have Ohio and I'd run the Tennessee area. I already had a contract drawn in anticipation of his report. He signed the contract and that was the end of our partnership.

 

Years later, Buddy called and asked if the IRS had contacted me. I said no. Buddy advised that they would be calling and that he had told him that he had no assets and asked if I would do the same. I said no. I explained that while I had few fears, the one I did have was messing with the IRS. I told him that unless he forgave the remainder of the contract, I would have to report it. Buddy was then faced with being caught lying to the IRS or forgiving the balance of the contract. Buddy forgave the contract. After Buddy's death, his wife and Ron Fuller, Buddy's son, found the contract and got an attorney and sued for the balance of the contract. With Buddy dead and the issues of involving the IRS, and the fact that Buddy had left small children with little means of support, my attorneys advised that winning the lawsuit could be as costly as the settlement. I settled with Buddy's widow.

 

Everybody knows Jarrett's story , it is in book . Jarrett is going to spin everything to make him look good . However it Jarrett story and there are two sides to every story . I am sure a lot of the story is true but Buddy Fuller is not here to tell his side of things.

 

It is a fact that Buddy supported Jarrett in his war with Gulas. Jarrett had to pay Buddy a fee for really doing nothing. The Ohio deal provided Jarrett with a way to dump Fuller and not get heat with the NWA. I don't believe that Jarrett would have not settled out of court with Ron Fuller if the Fuller 's did not have a case . Ron Fuller is a smart businessman , he would not have taken legal action if there was no case.

 

This is the same Jarrett that promised to make Lawler a equal partner if the King jumped from Gulas to his new company. Years went by and Jarrett did not fulifill his promise . Lawler and Lance Russell were set to run against Jarrett . Jarrett said he simply forgot about his promise to Lawler. So in order to keep Lawler , Jarrett finally gave Lawler his 50%. Does anyone really believe he just forgot about the deal he made with Lawler ?

 

Jarrett cared about making money for Jarrett . There is nothing wrong with that goal . The bottom line is that Jarrett 's side of the story is merely his point of view and not the whole story ..

[UKWildcat]

And after hearing Danny Davis talk about Buddy and his scam...not sure if I believe him either.

[UKWildcat]

 

 

Randy Savage and Bill Dundee. During the Jarrett / Poffo promotional war , Bill Dundee had the logo " Macho Man " on the back on his tights. Randy Savage took it as a insult. Savage and his crew confronted Dundee in the parking lot of a Nashville gym. Legend has it that Dundee tried to pull a gun , so broken his jaw with an alleged sucker punch.

 

Not sure you can call anything a sucker punch once a gun is pulled.

Why Not ? They said Dundee was pulling a gun and Savage punched him on his blind spot. That is called a sucker punch in Memphis. Maybe they call it something else in Kentucky. The story was that Dundee was surrounded by Savage , Angelo , Rip Rogers and George Weingeroff . The legend is that Dundee was going for a gun and Savage punched Dundee on his blind side and broke Dundee jaw . Dundee never saw the punch coming. I was not there , I am only repeating the story . Rip Rogers , and Dundee know the real story .

 

Anyway , I think it say to say Dundee and Savage disliked on another.

If someone is going for a gun on you, I'm sure you'd do what you could. And I call a "sucker punch" a punch when no one is expecting it. Dundee was going for a gun, so he's to expect Savage to retaliate.

 

And I'm taking sides on either, because I like both, but...

[Johnny Sorrow]

Now this is the kind of back and forth I can enjoy here . 😃TN vs KY about shit that's actually interesting.😄

[UKWildcat]

Now this is the kind of back and forth I can enjoy here . TN vs KY about shit that's actually interesting.

Haha, no hate here. I just love anything Memphis rasslin.

[Matt Farmer]

In regards to heat between Mitsuharu Misawa and Toshiaki Kawada I've heard that it started while the two were rivals in High School or dating back to High School. Then when the two were young boys Kawada felt that Misawa (who was a year ahead of Kawada) did not receive the same punishment as some of the other young boys.

 

There was the one famous fight between the two that left both of their faces battered and bruised. This was the fight that pissed off Baba.

[pantherwagner]

I don't know if that is still the case but Negro Casas and Dandy were on pretty bad terms for ages. It took years for the ex-Promo Azteca guys to be invited back to CMLL, even Silver King (whose brother at one point was the biggest star in the company) but Dandy never got the call. Dandy vs Casas was a fondly remembered early and mid 90s feud that has never been rekindled even on the indy scene. Maybe KrisZ would know but I don't think they have been in the same ring together for almost two decades.

[KrisZ]

I'd say they haven't worked against each other since 1997-98

[Matt Farmer]

They worked each other for Cesar Johnson when his promotion was hot in Nuevo Laredo. Would have been in June of 2001, he worked a 3 way with LA Park in which Dandy lost his hair.

 

I just happened to be looking at this promotion earlier today and remember this result.

[ohtani's jacket]

The last record Cubs has of Casas and Dandy working together is in 2007. They worked against other a bit in IWRG. Apparently, they had a title match at an IWRG taping in 2003.

[sek69]

So every so often, Bret Hart or Triple H will take a little shot at one another ("4/10", "Bret was too serious", etc). It's clear that they don't really like one another, but neither will bluntly come out and say it. On the other hand, Triple H has always been really complementary of Owen Hart, he seems to rate the late Hart above his more popular brother and regards him as one of the greatest wrestlers he's ever worked with.

 

Inspired by this, what other examples of wrestlers who dislike each other can you think of, any interesting stories behind the mutual hatred?

 

 

I don't want to discount what may very well be the guy's actual feelings, but didn't HHH torpedo the big post-Montreal push Owen was supposed to get by telling HBK he shouldn't lose to a guy like that? Just seems disingenuous to put a guy over that strong after he passes away when you didn't think he was on your (or your buddy's) level when he was alive.

[El-P]

 

So every so often, Bret Hart or Triple H will take a little shot at one another ("4/10", "Bret was too serious", etc). It's clear that they don't really like one another, but neither will bluntly come out and say it. On the other hand, Triple H has always been really complementary of Owen Hart, he seems to rate the late Hart above his more popular brother and regards him as one of the greatest wrestlers he's ever worked with.

 

Inspired by this, what other examples of wrestlers who dislike each other can you think of, any interesting stories behind the mutual hatred?

 

 

I don't want to discount what may very well be the guy's actual feelings, but didn't HHH torpedo the big post-Montreal push Owen was supposed to get by telling HBK he shouldn't lose to a guy like that? Just seems disingenuous to put a guy over that strong after he passes away when you didn't think he was on your (or your buddy's) level when he was alive.

 

 

HHH never did a job for Owen in the Euro feud they had either...