joeg Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 2 things first- first cost money- medical bills, bail, court costs, lawyer fees, etc. Did Bill Watts cover this as a business expense or did he just have his wrestlers go fight guys and leave his employees out to dry after encouraging them to break the law? It doesn't make sense from financial prespective. Second as I've stated if your gimmick is a pussy, why would you be getting into bar fights if you aren't the fighting type. If your character is a classy good guy, why would you be getting into bar fights? So it doesn't make sense to me from a kayfabe point of view either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 On the Buddy Landell Memorial episode of Exile on Badstreet, it was mentioned that Watts preferred his chicken-shit heels to be guys who *chose* not to fight, but could if they wanted to--he felt that being a coward strictly by choice drew more heat. About the only true wimpy heel he pushed hard was Cornette, who would understandably be excused from these rules. (As an off-topic question, does Cornette drink much at all? I've heard Cornette tell 9 million stories over the years and I recall precisely zero of them containing any sentence to the effect of, "I was hammered, and then...") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 AFAIK Cornette doesn't drink alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Here is something I've always thought... If a wrestler is a chickenshit heel, wouldn't you want him to try to talk his way out of any bar fight, so that he looks like chickenshit even at the bar? And if they wrestler is a white meat babyface, don't you want that guy carry himself in public with some class and be above getting into bar fights? Just some thought. If a chickenshit heel whopped your ass in a bar fight, and then you saw him on TV the next week getting *HIS* ass kicked by a babyface, then you'll know exactly how tough that babyface must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmo Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 To be fair Watts mentioned in his shoot with Cornette that he was the only guy on the roster who be fined if he won a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 ...UNLESS he used the tennis racket, I would hope. Or a rag with ether on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Protecting the business was more important. "Look at this fake rassler, I could kick his ass" was pretty common back in the day (still happens today, too), so the best way to keep kayfabe about it was to have the wrestler do whatever it took to win the fight. There are a few MMA fighters, especially lighter weights (Eddie Alvarez comes to mind) that have said that they rarely ever go to bars anymore because people want to challenge them when they find out that they are a fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Protecting the business was more important. "Look at this fake rassler, I could kick his ass" was pretty common back in the day (still happens today, too), so the best way to keep kayfabe about it was to have the wrestler do whatever it took to win the fight. There are a few MMA fighters, especially lighter weights (Eddie Alvarez comes to mind) that have said that they rarely ever go to bars anymore because people want to challenge them when they find out that they are a fighter. On the list of horrifically bad ideas where does picking a fight with an MMA fighter rank? My cousin and his friends were bouncers in Columbus Ohio for a while, and after dishing out many a beating they decided that they would go to the Team Hammer House gym to see how they matched up with MMA fighters. My cousin's friend(who they all agree is the best fighter of the bunch), who is basically the last dude you'd ever want to fight in a bar, ended up rolling with Wes Sims(Sims is best known for going crazy and stomping Frank Mir in a UFC fight. Stomping on an opponents head is illegal in UFC). My cousin's friend was a pretty decent high school wrestler, and would brag that he had never been put on his back. He said that Sims basically took him down and held him there, and there was nothing he could do. My cousin and his friends, who were essentially professional bar fighters, had no success whatsoever against the MMA guys. MMA is probably the only professional sport where you can just walk into a gym off the street and practice with a professional. The Hammer House dudes were apparently really cool about them just walking in their gym and working out with them. They basically just walked in one day and told them they wanted to see how they matched up with professionals. They said after they rolled with the guys, they gave them some pointers about how to counter the techniques they used against them and invited them back any time they wanted. If you want to see how you match up against professionals, go to the gym and do it in a controlled environment, you'll get beat within an inch of your life in a bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 The Haku story as I understand it was not that he picked a fight with someone. Every story we know about Haku is that he's the nicest guy in the world unless you fuck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 An MMA fight and a bar fight are two different things. One has rules, the other doesn't. A trained fighter will still likely win a bar fight, but I've also met local MMA fighters that have been dropped in bar fights and tough guy types that barely lasted 10 seconds in a controlled environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragemaster Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 delete please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragemaster Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 The Haku story as I understand it was not that he picked a fight with someone. Every story we know about Haku is that he's the nicest guy in the world unless you fuck with him. In the power of pain shoot interview, Barbarian says Haku just took a dislike to the guy and bit his nose off. In other interviews it was because the guy asked "if you are with those fake wrestlers" and that's why he did it. What ever the reason, it seems like an overreaction to a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 An MMA fight and a bar fight are two different things. One has rules, the other doesn't. A trained fighter will still likely win a bar fight, but I've also met local MMA fighters that have been dropped in bar fights and tough guy types that barely lasted 10 seconds in a controlled environment. Local MMA fighter means about as much as local independent wrestler as far as skill goes. As someone who has done some training, I could probably get signed up for a fight next weekend if I asked around. That doesn't mean that I'd win every bar fight. That isn't the same thing as we're talking about here. Fighting a legit professional fighter in a bar is a terrible idea. Fighting a dude who signed up to fight in a barn a couple weekends ago is essentially the same thing as picking a fight with the average dude at the bar. My response was based on a guy like Eddie Alvarez saying he doesn't go to bars, because people want to test his skills. Fighting a guy like Eddie Alvarez in a bar is a horrible idea, he spends more time training to fight than you spend training to do anything. He's going to beat 95% of the population of the world into a bloody pulp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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