Loss Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 MORE ON BENOIT LEAVING THE WWE, POSSIBLE TRIP TO JAPAN By: Bob Ryder 12/14/2005 7:33:12 PM Chris Benoit's future with the WWE will come to an end this weekend at Armageddon where he is expected to lose against Booker T and exit the WWE. Benoit's contract is due to expire on December 30th and it's believed he'll go work in Japan for some dates. Man, the last thing WWE can afford right now is to lose more talent, especially guys with experience that are somewhat established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Dude, this ties into everything else that has been talked about here.... The Fed's schedule, the toll on the body, Eddie's death, the abandonment of SD!. IF Benoit is indeed leaving (let's consider the source) then the Fed ahs no one but themselves to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is what I don't understand about the E. Vince is a genius. Don't let that sentence fool you, he is. However, he's brilliant only on his terms. I can't see why he's allowing wrestlers to bail and leave, especially semi-important ones. I notice that he's only allowing mid and upper midcard guys to leave (let's not fool ourselves, Benoit hasn't been main event in a long time). I can only believe that he is preparing for the next wave of superstars, or he's purposely sabotaging himself to get competition going again. I'm guessing it's both. If you look back, it's been almost ten years since WCW practically stole everyone from WWF. Those guys are pushing late 30s/early 40's, so maybe it's time to unleash a new batch of guys? I don't know exactly, but it's frustrating to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is what I don't understand about the E. Vince is a genius. Don't let that sentence fool you, he is. However, he's brilliant only on his terms. You lost me here. How exactly is Vince a genius??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 You didn't hear? He led WWF to two big booms! Yeah I don't get it either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheShawshankRudotion Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 How does Ryder scoop Meltzer on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mac Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 It's not even on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 When Meltzer reports it, I'll believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is what I don't understand about the E. Vince is a genius. Don't let that sentence fool you, he is. However, he's brilliant only on his terms. You lost me here. How exactly is Vince a genius??? Took wrestling from regional to mainstream, made new stars out of nobodies before, hired people below him who could do the thinking for him, overtook WCW by using said nobodies, took WWF to highest viewing audience ever with all other promotions combined. He may have been acting like a dumbfuck the last 4 or 5 years, but that doesn't mean he can't get out of it. For whatever reason (even if it's just his ego), he's not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 The sad thing is that guys like Benoit, Jericho, etc are really the last generation of guys who paid dues in Japan, Mexico and North American territories before getting a shot on a big stage. They learned a lot about working a crowd and parlayed things that they learned everywhere into the style that they used as stars. That type of guy, the world-travelled wrestler, is a pretty dead concept now, and there just aren't really many places anymore for wrestlers to work and learn their craft, nor are there any wrestlers who have really mastered more than one style that are big enough in size for WWE to push. The days of great wrestling have been teasing being over for years now, but it looks like they're finally coming to a close. It's spotfests that get called MOTYCs now, and WWE is now losing Benoit, Guerrero and Jericho, all in the span of about four months. Yes, there are (very few) talented guys left, but most of them don't have anyone to work with at their level. And we can't look at the other side of the coin and say that a new crop of stars will come along that's really charismatic and knows how to work outside the ring either, since their promos are all so heavily scripted by TV writers and they're not encouraged to wing it and speak from the heart. Basically, fuck the huge number of top guys we had in wrestling just 5-6 years ago for not convincingly putting anyone over as they entered the twilight of their careers, for not mentoring the guys working their way up the ladder, and for killing wrestling companies. There were almost too many headliners between WWF and WCW in 1999-2000. How did we get where we are now, and so quickly at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Nah, a lot of reports has Vince being disinterested in his product. (addressing savagerulz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is what I don't understand about the E. Vince is a genius. Don't let that sentence fool you, he is. However, he's brilliant only on his terms. You lost me here. How exactly is Vince a genius??? Took wrestling from regional to mainstream, made new stars out of nobodies before, hired people below him who could do the thinking for him, overtook WCW by using said nobodies, took WWF to highest viewing audience ever with all other promotions combined. He may have been acting like a dumbfuck the last 4 or 5 years, but that doesn't mean he can't get out of it. For whatever reason (even if it's just his ego), he's not doing it. Also killed the U.S. wrestling scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 So does the XWF, mounting deaths in wrestling, killing the Invasion potential, failure to listen to the fans in the arenas, giving creative over to his unproven and ultimate failure of a daughter, holding back on pushes for guys who have potential, pushing green rookies too fast and giving the green light to some of the worst skits ever seen in the industry make him a genius also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 It is true that Vince McMahon has had more bad years as a promoter than he has good ones. By a pretty considerable margin. And no, you couldn't say that about every promoter ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 At DVDVR, they are saying that this isn't at 1Bob and may just be a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I thought Benoit's contract wasn't up till March... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheShawshankRudotion Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 For every good idea Vince has, there are countless bad ones. The "genius" here is that when something actually, amazingly, magically, ends up working he can market it, push it, and promote it, better than just about anyone. Or at least, he was able to. Now, it seems, he's having problems telling the difference between something that is working from something that that isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I blame that on HHH. That's when I think he lost the ability to look at his talent objectively, when his top star became his son-in-law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I think it started before HHH. Ever since the trial it seems like he's been more and more separated from the real world and his product by an ever growing parade of ass kissers and yes men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 What trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 The steroid trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I don't think that argument holds weight since he stumbled into the most successful period in wrestling history after the fact. I think it happened during the peak of his power and surrounds the XFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheShawshankRudotion Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I blame Steph. When it's all said and done, putting her as the head of creative will be one of the moves that hurt the company a great deal, I have no doubt about that. I also blame the XFL. And Vince not being a genius sorta hurts it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I agree with everything Rudo said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 The slide started before Steph took over though. Fully Loaded 2000 was when things started going wrong in the fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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