El-P Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 PPV 71 The comeback of the X-division, with a good Chris Sabin vs X Nitro-style spotfu (including an insane summersault from the top rope to the ramp by Oulette, who’s nuts), a pretty decent Kid Kash vs Low-ki match (credit goes to Ki, as Kash really doesn’t impress) and Michael Shane joigning Shane Douglas’ new Franchise along with Tracy. His title defense against Sonjay Dutt was not too good and very heatless, with a useless swerve as Douglas was clapping for Dutt during the match, but the final picture looks good though. Plus, there’s something ironic about Shawn Micheal’s cousin taken under Douglas’ wing. I wonder if this will ever be mentionned. Hopefully not. Raven had a fun gauntlet match against Joe Legend then Kevin Northcutt ending in a schmooz when Abyss, now doing Don Callis dirty work for some reason (MIND CONTROL I would guess), jumped in. The Gathering help Raven and still push him to get them back. Damn, they act like sad lovers after a break-up. The tag titles changing hands in a six-men is always annoying, plus 3 Live Kru work best when Konnan isn’t involved, he just looks terrible especially when he has to bump and sell. So, mediocre match against Simon & Swinger with Gilberti. Not too fond of the Kru getting the belts either, they are just way too formulaic to have good matches. Way too much Jarrett promo time like it’s been the case three weeks in a row now. He really makes TNA is own little WWE and he’s playing Triple H. And he’s even worse on the mic. They are still talking about Hogan. He’s not coming, you know. The match against Dusty Rhodes was fast forward material. Funny how even with Russo gone, Jarrett is sinking the main event scene. 2003/11/26 Low-ki vs Kid Kash2003/11/26 Chris Sabin vs X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Wonder whatever happened to Alex Shane. His 2002 match with Paul London was a favorite of mine at the time, probably wouldn't hold up now though. Thought he had quite a bit of potential, literally seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 PPV 72 At this point, it’s hard to give credit to Jeff Jarrett to be even a *good* worker. AJ Styles had a much better match with Abyss. This title match was a typical Double J Special and probably their worst match together. Bland brawling outside with no intensity. Then switch to sleeperhold spot (?), then to guitar shots and ref bumps and run-ins by : Erik Watts, Red Shirts Security, The Gathering, Abyss, AMW, Jimmy Hart and Kid Kash. Two guitars wasted not to mention my precious time. Jarrett’s idea of a main event comes straight from 1998/99 WWF, and he’s a far, far cry from the guys who could do it back then, not to mention the run-ins galore are just predictable by now and don't produce any credible false finish. So yeah. Jarrett on top will definitely be a painfull road if he keeps his game at that level. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Chris Daniels vs Low-ki vs Kid Kash was another good triple threat match. Damn. Of course Daniels & Ki get most the credit for trying to make sense of of it, but Kash was perfectly servicable here, working on an injured foot to boot. Shane Douglas & Michael Shane vs Chris Sabin & Sonjay Dutt, good undercard match with Douglas looking quite decent working with the quicker guys, and his maneurisms go a long way to compensate the fact he’s way past his prime physically. He's way more compeling to watch than Jarrett for instance (but then again, who isn’t at this point ?). Tracy took an active part in their win, I already like this team a lot. Sabin looks better in a tag team setting too. The tag-team turmoil keeps on going on with Gilberti and Young having issues with Simon & Swinger. Young as the straightforward guy works very well with Gilberti crook personna. The triple threat match against AMW, with a few problems between the two heel teams, had a good little dynamic. Raven & Gathering vs Red Shirts & Abyss (who at times is pretty funny with his overexagerated « monster » body language) accomplished what it was supposed to, forwarding the Raven & Gathering angle (they don’t want to break up, ah… love...) and putting Raven against Abyss, which could be fun if they do a wild brawl. Jarrett is getting way too much mic time considering what a weak promo he is. Now he’s playing Hollywood Hogan with a « you’re either with me or against me » attitude. Roll eyes. BTW, Hogan is now out of the picture for good. Way to waste PPV time with all this build up for nothing. 2003/12/03 Chris Daniels vs Low-ki vs Kid Kash2003/12/03 Shane Douglas & Michael Shane vs Chris Sabin & Sonjay Dutt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 PPV 73 Jerry « Malice/the Wall » Tuite is dead. They were dropping like flies. Once you pass the awful WWE-like clusterfucky opening segment with useless promo by Jarrett and a bunch of people including the return of Roddy Piper and D-Lo Brown, it was quite the decent show. Erik Watts, after channeling DDP’s promo style by adding « ass » to every name (« Don Call-ass », how smart), is now calling Jarrett « Triple J ». Which is fitting, in more ways than one. More X-division goodness with Christopher Daniels vs Michaels Shane in a very good title defense. Daniels bleeds a gusher after hitting the stairs, almost looks hardway, and his selling is excellent, as are Tracy’s antics at ringside, interfering at the right times and looking good doing it. Gotta get rid of that stupid « pie in the sky » name for her bombs away spot though. Daniels almost pulls a Tommy Dreamer on her, but at the end she only showed ass as Shane took advantage of the situation, because he’s on Opportunist. That’s his gimmick, and Tenay like to say it over and over again. But really good stuff. Later on, Shane Douglas had a fun short TV match against Chris Sabin. Douglas at this point is like a mix between Mike Sharp, older Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyzsko. That’s praise, he looks better than he did when he first showed up. That new Franchise is working like a charm. On the Raven front, he manages to have a pretty good match against Abyss, whose cluelessness is comical at points. But he’s got enough mecanical ability to do stuff with him. Ends in a schmooz, but Raven’s babyface selling was nothing short of excellent here. He agrees to tag again with the Gathering, who had a decent match against the Red Shirts, Northcutt looking bad-ass beating on Punk. I like the slow-burn progression of the inevitable clash between Raven and his former guys. AMW vs 3 Live Kru was nothing special. BJ James just won’t put in the extra effort and Killings is a goofball flippy worker. The most interesting thing about the tag situation is the interaction between Gilberti, Young and Simon & Swinger, which at times is legit funny. Main event of AJ Styles & D-Lo vs Jeff Jarrett & Kid Kash was pretty good, Jarrett looking the worst of the four and D-Lo again looking strong in execution. They brushed away the animosity between him and AJ by having D-Lo say he always had respect. Piper costs Kash the match and Jarrett is pissed. Next week : Sting vs Jarrett. I guess that’s a star-power match to close the year. 2003/12/10 Christopher Daniels vs Michael Shane2003/12/10 Shane Douglas vs Chris Sabin2003/12/10 Raven vs Abyss2003/12/10 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs Jeff Jarrett & Kid Kash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Ultimate X 2 is on PPV 76. It is a very good match that mixed spot fu with character and psychology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Considering who's involved and how great they've been over the year (for two of them), I actually look forward to it. PPV 74 Last show of the year, finally. And why not open it with a drab, Nitro 2000 match between Sting and Jeff Jarrett, who’s totally stuck in the Attitude era, complete with backstage vignettes with invisible camera WWE-style. Kinda sad, really, like this match which was nothing. Sting gets over, despite being a part time player at best. Feel good moment for the fans I guess. The X-division has became the best part of the show again, thanks to Chris Daniels who has a very good match with Chris Sabin, still selling his head injury from the week before, having a focused offense and basically giving Sabin his best single match thus far. And to Low-ki, who has a good X-div title match himself against Michael Shane, who’s offense is a carbon copy of Shawn’s circa 93, for better (good base and bumper for the babyface) and worse (kinda dull). Tracy keeps of giving as a very good valet. Elix Skipper wants to put XXX back together. There could be worse ideas, although Daniels & Ki clearly don’t need it, unlike Skipper. Very good match too as Simon & Swinger vs AJ Styles & D-Lo delivered. The winner of the pinfall gets any title match he wants, but in the end it’s Swinger & Diamond who win, as the babyface get screwed by Jarrett. More on that later. AMW vs Gilberti & Young in a good little brawl, although it was not a smart idea to book this match, full of garbage spots including ladders and table, in the same show as Abyss & Redshirts vs Raven & Gathering in a cage + gimmicks too, which seemed kinda redondant then and had no heat despite the fine structure. And too many run-ins at the end, including Jarrett again, who just doesn’t want anyone to get a title shot against him after losing to Sting already. Two sick bumps by Legend, thrown off the cage, Flair style, and CM Punk putting Abyss through two tables with his great looking elbow (yeah, sarcasm). The Gathering wait until Raven is sure to get the victory (and a title shot) to screw him. They really come off as petty scorn lovers. And that ends the year on a major swerve. Well, not really, as it was well built with weeks of frustrations by the Gathering, so it was successful because you could see it slowly coming. Nice show to cap-off the year. Jarrett on top is living his WWE fantasy, but there is enough good stuff in the undercard now. 2003/12/19 Chris Daniels vs Chris Sabin2003/12/19 Low-ki vs Michael Shane 2003/12/19 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs Diamond & Swinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 There's a point where the best part of the show becomes ICP. If you partake in any mind-altering substances, please keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 These reviews are great and are making me want to dig out Chris Daniels' matches from this time as he's never been a guy I've been high on but if he's having good sub 10 minute tv matches here, thats my jam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Raven I’m a Raven fan. One reason I wanted to dive into early TNA was to watch his last « major company » stint. And I didn’t expect it to be that good, honestly. He’s easily the MVP of the promotion when you put everything together : star power, promos, angles and matches. Not that he had the best matches, although the AJ Styles one from 08/27 is the best single match of the year, but he was always consistent and his approach was very much one of a very smart veteran. I also love the way he made his character evolved into a total fiery babyface without losing his edge, cutting some of the best promos he ever did in the process. You can see that he had input in his angles because of the usual slow, logical slow build too, and he tried to keep himself the furthest away from Russo during the first few months. His babyface stuff from the Gauntlet match and the James Mitchell feud are tremendous. His stock his going way up to me thanks to this. 2003/02/12 Raven vs Sandman2003/02/19 Sandman & Steve Corino vs Raven & Low-ki 2003/03/05 Raven vs Sandman2003/03/12 Raven vs AJ Styles2003/03/19 AJ Styles vs Raven2003/04/16 D-Lo Brown vs Raven 2003/04/30 Raven vs Jeff Jarrett2003/07/30 Raven & Julio & Alexis vs Shane Douglas & Brian Lee & Slash2003/08/13 Raven vs Shane Douglas2003/08/20 Gauntlet Match2003/08/27 Raven vs AJ Styles2003/09/17 Raven vs Shane Douglas2003/09/24 Raven & CM Punk & Julio vs Shane Douglas & Slash & Sinn2003/10/22 Raven vs Slash2003/11/19 Raven & Sandman & Erik Watts vs Red Shirt Security2003/12/10 Raven vs Abyss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 AJ Styles He was the MVP of the promotion the previous year along with Jerry Lynn. And he is even better in 2003. The booking did him no favors though, as his first title chase and reign was totally screwed up by the booking. He had to job clean to Glen Gilberti, he had to tag with Russo, he had to work a bunch of Double J Specials, take a backsteat to the tease of Hogan showing up and to Sting doing appearances. Despite all of this, put anyone with AJ and he’s gonna get a good match without forcing any formule : old Larry Z., brawl with the Sandman, Glen Gilberti in a street fight, X-div awful worker Frankie Kazarian, worst monster ever Abyss. Doesn’t matter, Styles is gonna get something good out of everyone. Of course he’ll also have lots of good matches with D-Lo Brown, whom he feuded with for a while (again, no favor from the booking as D-Lo, as good as he looks, just isn’t a main event playa), and of course Lynn & Low-ki. He also showed he could be a terrific heel. Best overall in-ring performer of the year. 2003/01/29 Larry Zbyszko vs AJ Styles2003/02/19 AJ Styles vs Jeff Jarrett2003/02/26 AJ Styles vs Sandman2003/04/09 Glen Gilberti vs AJ Styles 2003/04/16 AJ Styles vs Glen Gilberti2003/04/30 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs Sonny Siaki & David Young2003/06/03 AJ Styles vs D-Lo Brown2003/06/11 Raven vs AJ Styles vs Jeff Jarrett2003/06/18 Jeff Jarrett & Sting vs AJ Styles & Sean Waltman2003/07/02 AJ Styles vs Frankie Kazarian2003/07/09 AJ Styles vs D-Lo Brown2003/07/23 AJ Styles vs D-Lo Brown2003/08/06 AJ Styles vs D-Lo Brown2003/08/13 AJ Styles vs Low-Ki2003/09/17 AJ Styles vs Jerry Lynn2003/10/22 Jeff Jarrett vs AJ Styles2003/11/19 AJ Styles vs Abyss2003/12/10 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs Jeff Jarrett & Kid Kash2003/12/19 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs Diamond & Swinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 XXX Low-ki, Christopher Daniels & Elix Skipper delivered more memorable matches together and in singles than any other combinations. Skipper was obviously protected in the tag team setting, as he’s still a spotty worker in single, but he’s still part of the legit MOTYC cage match against AMW. This whole feud was by far the best in the promotion in term of in-ring work. Low-ki was absent for a while, working in Japan, but his comeback in the X-division at the end of the year was a big part of the rescue job on a division that had been sunk by bad indy work in the previous months. And of course, the MVP of the team is Chris Daniels. Here’s a guy who doesn’t deserve one bit of the criticism he gets (being robotic, being « video-game »). He showed great character, heeling up or being more babyface-like at the end of the year (when facing full fledge heel Michael Shane), having the best matches with basically everyone he met (Shane, Low-ki, Sabin), putting on superb selling clinics (like in the « head-injury » match) and holding together three-way dances. Great looking offense, excellent selling, character, can apparently do some comedic stuff too and more than hold his own on the mic when giving the opportunity. What more do you want ? From a ratio of very good matches/opportunity, the Fallen Angel is the best wrestler in the company in 2003. 2003/01/22 AMW vs XXX (Skipper & Low-Ki)2003/02/05 XXX (Skipper & Low-ki) vs Slash & Brian Lee 2003/02/12 Steve Corino vs Low-Ki 2003/03/12 XXX (Daniels & Skipper) vs AMW 2003/04/09 XXX (Daniels & Skipper) vs Shark Boy & Jason Cross vs Jonny Storm & Chris Sabin vs Jerry Lynn & Amazing Red2003/04/23 XXX (Daniels & Skipper) vs AMW2003/05/03 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs XXX (Skipper & Low-Ki)2003/05/10 AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown vs XXX (Skipper & Daniels)2003/05/21 XXX (Skipper & Daniels) vs Justin Credible, Amazing Red & Slash2003/06/18 AMW vs XXX (Skipper & Daniels)2003/06/25 AMW vs XXX (Skipper & Daniels)2003/09/24 Jeff Jarrett vs Christopher Daniels2003/10/01 Chris Daniels vs D-Lo Brown2003/10/15 Christopher Daniels vs Micheal Shane2003/11/12 Christopher Daniels vs Low-ki2003/11/19 Christopher Daniels vs Sonjay Dutt vs X2003/11/26 Low-ki vs Kid Kash2003/12/03 Chris Daniels vs Low-ki vs Kid Kash2003/12/10 Christopher Daniels vs Michael Shane2003/12/19 Chris Daniels vs Chris Sabin2003/12/19 Low-ki vs Michael Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 AMW The little team that could. Between the XXX and Simon & Swinger feuds, they easily are the tag team of the year, and one of the most consistent act in the company. They do have the tendency to work too fast and burn through spots though, especially James Storm. Chris Harris looks like a star in the making (what happened ?), although he should not get too close to a mic yet. The Simon & Swinger feud was the best surprise of the year, as I didn’t expect such good chemistry with those guys, especially Swinger whom I never cared for before. Kinda glad Simon Diamond finally got his chance to shine, he was like the « next thing » in ECW in 2000 for a while. 2003/03/26 D-Lo Brown vs Chris Harris2003/05/21 AMW vs AJ Styles & D-Lo Brown2003/07/09 AMW vs Simon Diamond & Swinger2003/07/23 AMW vs Simon Diamond & Swinger2003/08/06 AMW vs Simon Diamond & Swinger2003/08/13 AMW & Dusty Rhodes vs Simon Diamond & Swinger & Glen Gilberti2003/08/20 AMW vs Simon Diamond & Swinger27/08/2003 AMW vs Simon Diamond & Swinger2003/11/05 AMW vs Sonny Siaki & Ekmo Fatu2003/11/12 Tag-team Gauntlet match Jerry Lynn Poor Jerry Lynn, the perennial « underdog » who was put in a stupid « Is he too old ?» angle before his departure. The working MVP of 2002 still looked very good in 2003, having some strong matches against the luchadors from Konnan and some of the up and coming stars of the X-div like Chris Daniels and Amazing Red. Showed again his versatility too by having a blood fleud with Justin Credible, often marred by poor booking but which still delivered a bunch of good brawls. Lynn never clicked that well with Micheal Shane though, maybe he wasn’t motivated working the angle. Still easily a top 5 workers in the company, only not used to his best this year. 2003/02/26 Jerry Lynn vs Juventud Guerrera2003/03/05 Jerry Lynn vs Super Crazy2003/04/02 Jerry Lynn vs Kid Kash2003/04/16 XXX (Skipper & Daniels) vs Jerry Lynn & Amazing Red2003/04/23 Amazing Red vs Jerry Lynn2003/04/30 Jerry Lynn vs Christopher Daniels2003/05/28 Chris Sabin & Chris Harris vs Jerry Lynn & Justin Credible2003/06/25 Jerry Lynn vs Justin Credible2003/07/02 Jerry Lynn vs Justin Credible2003/07/16 Jerry Lynn vs Justin Credible.2003/07/30 Jerry Lynn vs Elix Skipper2003/08/27 Jerry Lynn vs Michael Shane2003/10/01 Jerry Lynn vs Michael Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 X-division What was the highlight of 2002 went through a huge slump until the end of the year, especially when the division got built around indy spot monkeys like Chris Sabin (who’s got potential) and Frankie Kazarian (who looks like he went through RVD school of working, just awful). Nearly killed the division for me with awful contrived, awkward, bad video-game like matches. Thankfully Micheal Shane and his old-school Shawn Michael’s 93-like work took things a few notch down the ridiculousness scale, although the first Ultimate X was a glorious mess of absurdity. The beginning of the year wasn’t that much better with mediocre and sloppy Kid Kash holding the belt and feuding with Trinity, in what soon became the most apalling feud of the year. Über-underdog style worker Amazing Red was one of the only bright spots of the first half. Sonjay Dutt debuting toward the end shows good promises, but he needs directions. X (aka Carl Oulette in hotpants) was the big missed opportunity of the year, as he looked tremendous in his debut and matches, but he just didn’t last. 2003/02/05 Amazing Red vs Sonny Siaki 2003/03/05 Kid Kash vs Amazing Red 2003/03/19 Kid Kash vs Amazing Red vs Trinity 2003/04/30 Amazing Red vs Kid Kash2003/07/30 Chris Sabin vs Micheal Shane2003/08/20 Chris Sabin vs Frankie Kazarian vs Michael Shane2003/11/05 X-division Battle Royal2003/11/12 Chad Collyer vs Sonjay Dutt2003/11/26 Chris Sabin vs X Random good stuff Saturn & Bart Gunn having a very good stiff brawl, maybe Saturn’s best single match ever apart from the Raven one from WCW. Shane Douglas working all minimalistic and bashing crowds left and right ends up much better than I thought he would when he first showed up in poor physical shape (he puuuuukes !). The stupid and generic Red Shirt Security tag team having some pretty decent stuff thanks to big hoss Kevin Northcutts beating people up. CM Punk in a supporting role, already displaying tons of charisma (and dropping a sloppy elbow). Road Dog, K-Kwik & K-Dawg putting together a dream team of intro catchphrases, interracial gangbanging and gimmick-offensive moves and getting over. Erik Watts looking competent for the time of one match. Yeah. Random and fun. 2003/04/09 Perry Saturn vs Mike Barton2003/04/23 New Jack, Sandman & Saturn vs Brian Lee, Slash & Mike Awesome2003/05/21 CM Punk vs Kid Romeo vs Jason Cross vs Paul London2003/07/02 Shane Douglas vs CM Punk2003/08/20 Jeff Jarrett & Erik Watts vs Legend & Christopher Daniels2003/09/24 3 Live Kru vs Glen Gilberti & Simon Diamond & David Young2003/10/08 Red Shirt Security vs D-Lo Brown & Chris Vaughn.2003/12/03 Shane Douglas & Michael Shane vs Chris Sabin & Sonjay Dutt2003/12/10 Shane Douglas vs Chris Sabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Jeff Jarrett I can’t defend this guy’s work anymore. The Double J Special is the worst kind of main event this side of self-conscious epic. Manage to sink even AJ Styles, who had good matches against Abyss & Frankie Kazarian for fuck's sake. Looks soft as hell (Lance Storm looks like Kawada compared to him at this point), has the worst looking finisher ever but still employs it after years of sucking, including from the top rope (gasp), tries to mimick a tough guy style when he’s a chickenshit at hearts. Stumble onto his words on promo but still gets more promo time than anyone else because it’s his daddy's gift promotion (feel the patterns to come ?). Sorry Jeffrey, but this year in TNA has your stock go way way down. Announcing Yep, it’s bad. Tenay’s overacting and über serious face is often hilarious though. But I gotta say that Don West is improving somewhat, and he tends to make some remarks that actually make sense in a way you wouldn’t except it from a pro-wrestling announcer. Like he’s just a regular guy who just would point out stuff logically. He’s still way too excitable though, but I’d take this announcing over WWE’s current product killing drab. Managers & Valets When they finally gave Jim Mitchell something to say, he sounds super articulate and does a great job with with. Did a lot to help the big Raven feud, which carried TNA’s product in term of angles and heat for a long while. Glen Gilberti's work as a mouthpiece for SEX then as a working manager for Diamond & Swinger was one of the best surprise of the year. If you erase his rise to the N°1 contender and the two matches where he tried to be the worst Kurt Angle ever and of course the first few weeks of Russo shit (with Mike Sanders), Disco has been a really positive addition to the product. Trinity can do moonsaults. And a bunch of other moves. Just don’t put her in actual wrestling matches. The feud against Kid Kash was effective and she was good in it, until they decided to drag it for weeks and weeks and have the woman beater actually win it at the end, then turn Trinity heel for no reason. As a valet for Siaki & Ekmo or AJ Styles, she did good work too. Alexis Laree was the best female performer for the time she was there though. She was taking some incredible bumps to protect Raven & the Gathering and was used well in that Clockwork Orange House of Fun match in which she actually turned things over to the babyface comeback. No wonder WWE grabbed her. Finally, Tracy Brooks' alliance whith Shane Douglas & Michael Shane promises to be excellent, doing her best modern Sherri routine mixed with Francine’s sluttiness and willing to show ass (in every sense of the word). Redeemed her from the awful way she was used by Russo earlier in the year. Lollipop has been the most consistant worker of the year in TNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conker8 Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 As a Raven fan, did you see his feud against CM Punk during this time ? It was the feud that put Punk on my radar. That feud took place in ROH and FWA in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I know I probably should. Have seen the MLW part though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Don't until after you watch the TNA version. MLW presented a weaker version of the ROH greatness, and TNA botched it so bad that Punk quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_Fair Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Don't until after you watch the TNA version. MLW presented a weaker version of the ROH greatness, and TNA botched it so bad that Punk quit. That kind of sums up all three promotions in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Punk didn't quit. He got fired for getting in a fist fight with Teddy Hart at a local restaurant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 From the versions I heard, calling it a "fight" is being generous. I heard Punk just punched Teddy out. EDIT: Or not. I googled it just now, and some people claim Teddy Hart won the fight. WTF? How is Punk going to fight in UFC if he gets beaten up by Teddy Hart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 He's lost a lot of his sparring sessions with smokers. His UFC career will likely go as well as my adult film career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 From the versions I heard, calling it a "fight" is being generous. I heard Punk just punched Teddy out. EDIT: Or not. I googled it just now, and some people claim Teddy Hart won the fight. WTF? How is Punk going to fight in UFC if he gets beaten up by Teddy Hart? I didn't see the fight, but I drove up twenty minutes afterwards and heard it directly from everyone who did, wrestlers and fans and non-fan-bystanders alike. The short version is: they bumped into each other at a restaurant next door to the building, words were exchanged, they stepped outside, Teddy offered a handshake, Punk bitchslapped him, Teddy drilled him with a couple of punches and knocked him down, and then other wrestlers ran in and broke it up as Punk was trying and failing for a leg takedown while Teddy was trying to kick Punk's head right off his shoulders. Teddy is no joke in a shootfight, he's a lightning-quick muthafucka who knows every single trick that grandpa Stu could teach you to hurt someone with. As for Punk... well... that's probably why he's spending years training before his first fight, as opposed to someone like Lesnar who practically woke up one day and said "hmmm... I feel like almost-beating Frank Mir tomorrow". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutenberger Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I got a vague feeling this could soon be continued... And if I'm right, I'm SO looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Maybe later at some point, if I get the itch. But for now, I'm just gonna post some of my favourite stuff in the Match Discussion Archives. Focusing on the good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutenberger Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Ok. Good for you. You definitely deserve some good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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