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  1. No, I don't think that is the big show announcement. The Chris Hero podcast is probably is just going to be a new exclusive addition to the AFS service. Conrad has a few holes in the schedule now. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, he has been adding a ton of exclusive content to Ad Free Shows over the past couple of months. Not all of it has been a success. We all heard what happened to Bruce Mitchell's podcast, and that Video Game podcast that @sek69 talked about has apparently been taken off the schedule due to lack of interest. How that podcast gets pulled but Mance Warner and Madusa's ridiculous podcasts stay on the schedule, I'll never know. No accounting for taste, I guess. Apparently people aren't really enjoying Gerald Brisco's podcast either. It seems to have disappeared from the schedule as well. I know Conrad is still planning on making the announcement of the new show soon. Everything has been delayed because Conrad's Mother, Father, Daughter, and Wife were all diagnosed with COVID in the last couple of weeks. The only person in Conrad's immediate family who didn't end up contracting it were himself and his other daughter. One of Conrad's co-workers also had it, and passed away last week. On top of that, on the new episode of Arn's podcast that was released today, Arn announced that he had COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago as well. He talked about his symptoms and he said it really kicked his ass...he was in bed for a week and could not eat or drink anything. He said he was so sick he was hallucinating. He talked about it and actually seemed pretty shaken up by the whole experience, understandably. I think Conrad is still planning on announcing the new "big" podcast soon. From some of the hints he has dropped, I think it is probably going to be Kurt Angle, although I really hope that is not the case. EDIT: Yeah, I checked my AFS feed and the Chris Hero show is going to be AFS exclusive...this isn't the show Conrad has been promising for months. I watched the preview clip for the Chris Hero show and it looks pretty good, actually.
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    WWE Network... It's Here

    The more I read about this deal, including on more mainstream entertainment sites...the more it sounds like International fans are going to basically get screwed. It sounds like they're basically transferring the existing content from the WWE Network onto Peacock, and shuttering their own platform. This sounds like a great deal if you live in the USA, because you end up paying less money and end up getting more content, because you get all the other stuff that is available on Peacock. If you can't get Peacock? Oh well, you're basically screwed. If I was actually still a subscriber to the Network right now, I'd be pissed. I know Vince and Company won't care...they get their billion dollars and don't have to actually pay to run their own streaming service anymore, so they probably won't care that the International fans are upset...but it sounds like it's going to be a mess for everybody who doesn't live in the USA.
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    Looking to start a project starting in 1980

    I'm in...and I would like to claim Maple Leaf Wrestling, please. I think a draft would be great. I actually remember a fair number of the names who worked the Toronto territory around that time, but if there is a list handy that would be even better. The thing about Maple Leaf Wrestling in the early 80's is that it was pretty awesome because it was after The Sheik was booking, but before Vince McMahon bought out the Tunney family, so Maple Leaf Wrestling was actually being run by Jim Crockett Promotions and had a bunch of talent from the Mid-Atlantic area...namely Ric Flair, Greg Valentine, etc.
  4. I think that was pretty much the way he normally looks? I've only seen him a couple of times in AEW though, and to be honest I wasn't paying all that much attention. I am 99% sure that was him, though. I do indeed think that. The reason is, if you look his face was a bit puffy and rounder looking, which is usually a dead giveaway that somebody is on steroids. Not to mention, this documentary supposedly took place within the space of one year, and I think he underwent a fairly dramatic physical transformation for such a short time period. Who knows, I could totally be wrong, but the first time I saw him in that (horrifying) spray tan scene, the first thought that came to my mind was "I bet he's taking steroids." Actually, that was my second thought. My first thought was "Dear Lord, please don't let that sock fall off his dick." In fairness, I am pretty sure this documentary actually came out prior to the allegations about Joey Ryan. I did see Bully Ray in the documentary, but it was a "blink and you'd miss it" deal. During the montage of Arquette wrestling on the indies, there is a very brief clip of Bully Ray putting him through a table, and then at the end when he is getting congratulated by all the other wrestlers in the Locker Room, I am pretty sure Bully Ray is one of the guys who gives Arquette a hug. I think you misunderstood me, or more likely I didn't make myself clear. I didn't mean the actual match with Nick Gage was the selling point of the documentary, I meant to say that the subsequent injury was kind of the selling point, and the whole reason for the title of the film. I don't know about you, but I didn't even know David Arquette had become a Pro Wrestler until he got his jugular vein punctured during that match...when that happened it was pretty big news. I remember seeing it a bunch of different places in the media, and not just on Pro Wrestling news sites. I remember I was sitting in the waiting room at the hospital and it came on the 24 Hour News feed on the TV there. I meant to say either the injury was a "work" intended to promote the documentary, or at the very least David Arquette and the filmmakers were able to exploit the injury to help promote the film and give it a whole lot more notoriety than it probably would have had otherwise. Fair point. Maybe I just didn't want to admit how most hardcore Pro Wrestling fans come across...because it sure wasn't pretty. I don't disagree with you all that much. It was very entertaining, and I would recommend it to others. I just thought parts of it were fishy...some parts more than others. But overall, I didn't dislike the movie. I have seen a ton of bad documentary films in my time, and this was a lot better than many of those. Like Eric Bischoff said in the interview, it was very professionally shot and edited. It looked good, and that's more than you can say for a lot of films like this.
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    WWE Network... It's Here

    I cancelled my WWE Network subscription quite a while ago, and I can't see myself ever signing up again, but I am curious about something. The Peacock streaming service is not available in Canada, so I assume that the WWE Network will remain "as is" for customers outside the United States? Or does it mean that once the Network moves to Peacock, WWE will pull it for everybody else and people who can't get Peacock are out of luck? Either way, it doesn't seem fair. It's not fair for American fans if all the International fans get to keep the traditional version of the Network and they don't, or if the Peacock version of the Network doesn't get to keep the same amount of content as the International version. But it's not fair for the International customers lose their version of the Network and then they can't subscribe to Peacock. I assume International customers will end up getting screwed. It took forever for Canadians to get the full version of the WWE Network after it launched in the USA. We got a severely limited version with barely any content...just the live network feed, for the longest time. I think it's a safe bet once this deal goes through, the International fans will get the shaft again. Good thing I stopped paying for it and I don't care anymore.
  6. So basically just because Good Brothers @C.S. and @MoS asked, I changed my mind and decided to give them what they asked for. Without further introduction... * * * * * Ad Free Shows Exclusive "One on One: A Conversation between Eric Bischoff and David Arquette" April 25, 2020 - Eric Bischoff welcomes us to Ad Free Shows and says we are in for a real treat. Eric introduces a man who he considers a personal friend, a man he has known for quite a while, who has been very successful in the entertainment business, who has once again decided to “dip his toes” into the world of Professional Wrestling and lived to regret it...Mr. David Arquette. - David Arquette says he is very happy to talk to Eric Bischoff. Arquette says he does not regret getting involved in Professional Wrestling, and he does not believe in regrets because you can’t change the past. - Eric says he loves that attitude and he has a similar philosophy, he has had the opportunity to experience things that other people have never had the chance to experience and he is grateful for all of it, the good, the bad and the ugly. - Eric Bischoff says that David Arquette has a new documentary coming out titled “You Can’t Kill David Arquette” and he wants to talk about that, but before they do that he would like to talk about Arquette’s family background and history in Show Business. Eric asks what it was like for David Arquette to grow up in a Show Business family? - David Arquette says it was “interesting...it made for a wild, crazy, dramatic, humorous, very larger than life upbringing.” Arquette says that people who work in Show Business tend to be very imaginative and over the top, and he is still like that himself, in the way he is raising his own kids. - Arquette says that his Great-Grandparents were Vaudevillians and worked in Show Business. - David Arquette’s Grandfather was actually “Charlie Weaver” of radio and early Television fame. Arquette says that his Grandfather had a very successful career as a star on NBC radio from the 1930’s right up until the advent of Television. Once TV made radio comedy pretty much obsolete, his Grandfather retired and opened a Civil War museum. - Arquette tells the story that one night in the late 1950’s, his Grandfather was watching The Tonight Show and the host Jack Paar did an imitation of Charlie Weaver and asked on the air “whatever happened to Charlie Weaver?” His Grandfather ended up calling The Tonight Show, and they had him on as a guest. As a result of that appearance on The Tonight Show, Arquette’s Grandfather ended up having a huge career comeback, where he became a regular guest on The Tonight Show and many of the other TV Talk Shows of the late 50’s and into the 60’s. Charlie Weaver was most famous for a comedy bit he did called “Got A Letter From Momma.” Charlie Weaver ended up becoming a permanent guest on the Game Show “Hollywood Squares.” - Eric says that he remembers seeing Charlie Weaver on TV when Eric was a kid growing up during the 1960’s. Arquette says that his Grandfather was definitely an inspiration to him, and he has a tattoo of his Grandfather. - David Arquette’s father Lewis Arquette was probably most famous for his role on the popular 70’s TV Show “The Waltons” but he worked his entire career aside from that as what Arquette describes as a “journeyman actor” doing bit parts in countless movies and TV shows. Arquette says it was a tough life sometimes growing up, if his Father was between roles there might not always be money. - Eric Bischoff talks about how he has always found it interesting that the general public assumes that if you’re famous, you must automatically be rich...but that is not the case. Just because people recognize you from a TV Show or Movie, that doesn’t mean that you’re wealthy. Eric says that he knows that many actors just like Arquette’s Father had to struggle when they were unable to find any work. - David Arquette says that his Dad would frequently have to take any job he could find, just to pay the bills. For example, he remembers his Dad doing a Safety Video for General Motors, that they would show to their employees to promote their Health and Safety program. Obviously, that is not the kind of job an actor would want to take for artistic reasons, but it was a job. - Eric says that in a way, the life of a journeyman actor is very similar to that of a journeyman Pro Wrestler or a “jobber.” - David Arquette agrees and says he has always found a lot of similarities between Actors and Pro Wrestlers. David says that the way actors have to hustle for work and travel around the country trying to get any small role just to make money to feed their family is exactly the same way many independent wrestlers work as well, and that both jobs are nowhere near as glamorous as they might appear. - Arquette tells a humorous story about when he was a kid. The Arquette family apparently had a rat in their house, and they managed to catch it alive. Arquette’s Father took the rat with him to an audition at Paramount Studios, and when he didn’t get the part he let the rat loose in the studio. - Arquette says that his Father was a Pro Wrestling fan, and introduced him to Pro Wrestling. In fact, Arquette’s father actually did the voice for the cartoon of Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka on the old “Hulk Hogan’s Rock and Wrestling” Saturday Morning Cartoon. - Eric says he couldn’t believe that when he first found out about it. - David Arquette jokes that it is “cultural appropriation” for his Dad, a middle aged white guy to have done the voice for a Fijian Pro Wrestler. - Eric says that maybe this means that Arquette is an honorary Samoan and now he can talk to The Rock about getting one of those Tribal Tattoos. - Eric asks which Pro Wrestlers or matches were the first to stick out in his mind. - David Arquette says that growing up in Southern California, they used to rerun the old black and white Pro Wrestling footage from the Los Angeles territory when they ran the Olympic Auditorium. Arquette says one of his earliest memories was seeing Gorgeous George, although it wasn’t live obviously. - Arquette says as far as the modern product when he was growing up, he has vivid memories of the WWF in the 80’s specifically the rivalry between The Macho Man and George “The Animal” Steele. Arquette says he actually went to a WWF House Show in the 80’s in LA and got to see Hulk Hogan teaming with Andre The Giant, which “blew his mind.” Arquette says being able to see Andre in person has stuck with him, forever. - Arquette says when he was growing up, his friends “grew out” of watching Pro Wrestling, but he never did. Arquette says that luckily, as he got older and kept watching he made new friends who were also interested in watching and going to shows with him. - Arquette also mentions that he was friends with Jason Hervey, which was also great because Jason was tied in with WCW and was able to get him backstage and introduce him to a lot of the wrestlers. - Arquette says after he did “Scream” his acting career really changed. Once you have done a role that successful, you no longer have to go to auditions, scripts will get sent to you and you will automatically be offered roles. Arquette says that after he did Scream, he was offered “Ready to Rumble.” - Arquette says that when he read the script for Ready to Rumble, he saw on the fourth page that The Macho Man was in the script. Arquette called Warner Brothers and said: “Is that the real Macho Man? He’s in the movie? I’ll do it!” - Arquette says that it was amazing to meet Randy Savage, and that he was a very kind man. - Arquette diverts for a minute, and says that one of the things that he always found interesting about Pro Wrestling is that you have to pay close attention, or you won’t understand what is going on...the stories are always changing. Arquette says that he would sometimes not be able to watch wrestling for a while because he’d be away on location shooting a movie, and when he tuned back in, all the storylines would have changed and different people would be working with each other. - Eric says that prior to doing Ready to Rumble, David Arquette was on a career high, due to Scream, Scream 2 and Scream 3, plus he had gotten good notices for his role in the Drew Barrymore film “Never Been Kissed.” Eric wondered if Arquette’s agents, lawyers or friends might have advised him against doing Ready to Rumble, due to Professional Wrestling not being a very respected subject matter for a film? - David Arquette says his friends and peers in the acting business advised him against doing Ready to Rumble, but he wanted to do it anyway, especially since Oliver Platt and Scott Caan had signed up. Arquette says that he and Scott Caan are friends and he wanted a chance to work with his friend. - Arquette diverts for a moment and talks about how Scott Caan is a close friend of his, but when Arquette asked him to appear in his “You Cannot Kill David Arquette” documentary, Caan declined. Scott Caan told David Arquette that it was nothing personal, but Caan just has a policy against appearing in documentaries. Arquette later appeared in a documentary about a famous Tattoo artist called “Mr. Cartoon” in Los Angeles, and discovered that Scott Caan was also in the same documentary...so apparently Scott Caan didn’t have a policy against appearing in documentaries, he just didn’t want to be in a film about Pro Wrestling again, but didn’t want to tell David Arquette that. - Eric says that he and Conrad Thompson had just done an episode of 83 Weeks during which they discussed David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, because it is the 18 year anniversary of the event. - David Arquette points out that the anniversary date of his World Title win is also his wife’s birthday, so he always remembers the date. - Eric Bischoff says that after Time Warner acquired WCW, the new favorite corporate buzzword in all the management meetings was “synergy.” Eric says that when he was President of WCW, right after the merger he kept getting all sorts of pressure to promote other Time Warner projects in WCW, and that Ready to Rumble was also part of the “synergy.” - Eric says he was actually supposed to be a producer on Ready to Rumble and had been slated to actually act in the film, in the role of “Titus Sinclair” but Eric was fired from WCW in September 1999, so the role went to Joe Pantoliano instead. Eric and David joke that Eric Bischoff missed his big shot to make it in Hollywood due to being unable to appear in Ready to Rumble. - David Arquette says that all joking aside, the whole point of his documentary is that it’s never too late. Arquette says the message he is trying to get out with the movie is that you can always chase your dreams, change your destiny and prove to other people that you can accomplish anything. - Eric Bischoff says that in all sincerity, he got teary-eyed watching the documentary at times because he knows how hard Arquette was trying to make his dream of being a respected Pro Wrestler happen. - David Arquette says he appreciates that, and that he appreciates Eric Bischoff’s friendship. Arquette briefly mentions some other projects they have worked on together outside of Pro Wrestling, including a 3-D animated short film. - Eric Bischoff says that after seeing the documentary, he feels he has seen David Arquette on a level he had never seen before. - David Arquette says that the documentary happened at a time in his life that he was going through a lot of problems, most notably his alcoholism and other addiction issues. Arquette is quick to point out that although he has conquered his addictions, he still smokes pot because “he needs to” and it takes him to “his chill place” and without it he just gets too crazy. (Sidenote: For the record, there is little doubt in my mind that David Arquette was quite high during this interview. He seemed to find pretty much everything funny and was prone to extended fits of giggling, and found things very funny that did not seem to be funny. SO ANNOYING.) - Eric Bischoff says one of the things he was also impressed with during the documentary was how open David Arquette was showing his struggles with addiction and Mental Health issues. Bischoff says that takes a lot of balls. - David Arquette says that in acting and in Pro Wrestling, you have to find what is real. Arquette says documentary films are only compelling if there are truly “cringe worthy” moments in them, so he had to show everything. - Arquette says getting so heavily involved in Pro Wrestling has definitely helped his acting abilities, because there is so much storytelling in Pro Wrestling...and a lot of communicating emotions to a crowd during a match, without saying anything. - Arquette says that he absolutely loves Pro Wrestling but he can’t do it anymore because it hurts him and of the toll it has taken on him physically. Arquette says he wants to stay involved in the Pro Wrestling business though, and would love to become a manager like Bobby “The Brain” Heenan. - David Arquette says he loves how heel managers take pratfalls, but he doesn’t want people to think they are botches that aren’t done deliberately. - Eric Bischoff jokes that if David Arquette transitions into becoming a manager, they can make a sequel to the documentary. - David Arquette says the pandemic has totally screwed up the distribution plans for the film, and that it will not be playing in a lot of theatres and will most likely be sold to streaming services. Arquette says they have not yet secured a distribution deal for Japan, and he hopes when they do he can go there, because he loves Japan and the country’s history when it comes to Professional Wrestling. Arquette says if he could wrestle in Japan, he would do a sequel to the documentary. - Eric Bischoff asks about the circumstances when David Arquette won the WCW World Title. Bischoff pointed out that due to the stipulations of the match, David had actually pinned Eric Bischoff himself to win the World Heavyweight Championship. - Bischoff says that after he was fired from WCW in September 1999, Vince Russo was hired and brought in. However, after a few months Turner Broadcasting was not happy with the job Russo was doing, so Eric Bischoff was hired back for the specific purpose of working with Vince Russo and communicating his creative plans back to the Turner organization. As such, any major angles Russo wanted to do at that time had to technically be approved by Eric Bischoff...so Bischoff says he has been taking shit from the fans and other Pro Wrestlers for years for approving the angle where David Arquette won the World Title. - Eric Bischoff says that for years he had assumed that Vince Russo came up with the idea for David Arquette to win the title, but he just recently found out that Tony Schiavone had been sitting in on creative meetings and he was the one who pitched the idea, and Russo went with it. Bischoff says that Vince Russo has been taking credit for the idea, but he has confirmed it was legitimately Tony’s idea. - Bischoff says the old saying is true: “Success has many Fathers but failure is an orphan” but if he is being honest he must admit that Russo did bring the idea to him for approval and Eric gave the angle his approval. Eric says that he honestly didn’t have a problem with the angle but if he had been involved in the creative, he probably would not have tried to portray David Arquette as a sympathetic babyface. Bischoff says he will defend the decision to put the World Title on Arquette but feels it would have been much more effective if it had been done with Arquette playing the sneaky cheating heel and really played up the most obviously annoying parts of the story...like that the win was a fluke and Arquette didn't "deserve" it. - Eric Bischoff says that it has always been his feeling that David Arquette took a lot of heat from hardcore Pro Wrestling fans for winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. - David Arquette says that he did. - Eric Bischoff says that hardcore Pro Wrestling fans can be very hard on the talent, and “they have memories like Elephants...and they don’t forgive anything.” - David Arquette agrees and says that the other thing is that some hardcore Pro Wrestling fans seem to take things very personal and can get very intense. - Arquette says he thinks maybe a lot of hardcore fans didn’t realize that he was also a lifelong Pro Wrestling fan, and maybe they resented him because they thought he was just some actor who came in and participated in the angle thinking the entire sport was a joke. - Arquette says he doesn’t think Pro Wrestling is a joke at all. Arquette says that he actually enjoys reading about Pro Wrestling and learning about the sport. Arquette says that he really enjoyed Eric Bischoff’s book and lists Jim Ross’s books as helping him learn about the backstage environment as well. - Arquette admits he was naive about how the fans would take his World Title win. Arquette says he thought the fans would like it, because he is a fan just like they are and he hoped the fans would almost see it as if one of their own won the World Title. - Arquette says when the idea was presented to him, he was very excited and thought it would be fun. - Arquette says he was also not prepared for the reaction he got backstage either. He admits that he never thought about how many of the other Pro Wrestlers had worked hard their entire careers and had never been given the same chance that David Arquette just walked in and was handed simply because he was famous. - Arquette tells a story about how he was backstage after winning the World Title, he walked up to Booker T and asked him casually: “Hey, how many times have you been World Champion?” and claims Booker just gave him a look and said: “None.” Arquette says that really hit him. - David Arquette says Vince Russo seemed totally oblivious to the idea that any of the Pro Wrestlers might have a problem with him winning the World Title. - Arquette says the reaction really hurt him and that: “this thing I loved was now hurting me.” - Arquette says the decision still haunts him to this day. He says he was recently reading the newspaper, and read an article saying that the International House of Pancakes was thinking of changing their name to the International House of Burgers, so IHOP would now be IHOB. Arquette says the newspaper article claimed: “IHOP changing their name would be the worst idea since David Arquette became World Heavyweight Champion” and it really shocked him how many people were upset about it, and how widespread the disdain was, and that is still going on all this time later. - David Arquette says over the past 18 years he has been the butt of a lot of jokes and he is used as the “low bar” when fans are talking about the worst things to ever happen in Pro Wrestling. -Arquette says the reaction backstage was so negative, and he was so tired of all the other talent thinking he was a “pussy” that he seriously considered picking a fight with Tank Abbott to prove he is a man. Arquette says the problem was, he got along great with Tank Abbott and he was really a nice guy so he didn’t want to pick a fight with him. - Eric asks how David Arquette came up with the idea for this documentary. - David Arquette says he is close friends with Dave Lagana, and it was actually Lagana who gave him the idea, years ago. Arquette says he has a writer friend named Ben Joseph, who is a writer for The Simpsons, and when Arquette told Joseph Lagana’s idea, Joseph really encouraged him to go for it. - Arquette talks about how he had a heart attack a few years ago, and how when he was rushed to the hospital and thought he was going to die, he thought about how he had tried to be a good person and he knew his family loved him. Arquette says he then started thinking about what other people would say about him if he died, and he said that believe it or not, he was there in the hospital having a heart attack and one of the thoughts which came to his mind was “I bet Pro Wrestling fans will be happy if I die...they really hate me.” Arquette says that is when he fully realized how much the whole situation really bothered him and he had really been holding onto the situation. - Arquette says he saw the episode of “Dark Side of the Ring” about the Brawl for All. Arquette says that he agrees the idea was stupid, but if he could have had a chance to participate in the that event, maybe Pro Wrestling fans would have respected him more for at least being tough. - Arquette says he needed serious surgery to correct his heart problem, and he had two stents inserted in his heart. He was also told that he needed to get into better physical condition, in order to avoid any further cardiac issues. - Eric Bischoff says he remembers a couple of years ago that David Arquette called him and told him about the idea for the documentary, and Bischoff agreed to be interviewed for the film. - Eric talks about a scene in the film where David gets into a scuffle with Brian Knobbs. Eric says he is friends with a writer named Scott Silver, who wrote the movies “Joker” and “8 Mile.” Eric claims after he saw the movie, his friend Scott Silver called him and asked if the incident between Arquette and Knobbs was staged, because it looked like it was. Eric says: “no...it was real.” - David Arquette says that there are a lot of scenes in the movie that look like that, but he guarantees they are real. - Eric Bischoff says the documentary takes the viewers on a journey and shows the different levels of the Pro Wrestling industry and shows the fans things they wouldn’t normally get to see. Eric says the scenes in Mexico are a good example of that. - David Arquette says that this documentary is his “love letter” to Pro Wrestling and Pro Wrestling fans. - Arquette says that the Pro Wrestling industry has changed in the time since he was World Champion, and that thanks to guys like Daniel Bryan, fans are more willing to accept smaller guys as legitimate Pro Wrestlers. - Arquette says that once he got in shape, he was confident that he had a build which was better than most novice Pro Wrestlers because he is a bit beefier. Arquette says he usually does his own stunts, so he thinks that helped him as well. Arquette says: “I’m more Pro Wrestler than you might think.” - Arquette talks about how he broke three ribs in Mexico, but then went on to work a bunch of independent shows in the United States, and his ribs still hurt. - Arquette says he actually did a few training sessions with Johnny Rodz and he got pretty hurt doing that. - Arquette says his favorite part of the whole process is getting to know all the other Pro Wrestlers in the business. - Arquette praises Eric Bischoff for his support with the documentary. - Arquette says that he hopes the documentary will reach a lot of people who have never watched Pro Wrestling and don’t know what it is all about. - Arquette says he was concerned about showing too much of what goes on behind the scenes, so he would always get permission from everybody backstage before filming. - Eric Bischoff says David Arquette underwent a pretty impressive physical transformation during the documentary and asked about how that was. - David Arquette says that he is used to undergoing big physical transformations for acting roles. Arquette says for example, he once had to play a prisoner in a concentration camp, so he had to lose a ton of weight so he would be all bony looking. - Arquette talks about the intensive training regimen he underwent, eliminating carbs from his diet, increasing his water intake and taking all sorts of MMA training all to lose weight, get in shape and help him with his Pro Wrestling. - Arquette says it’s like the training the actors in the Marvel movies have had to do for the Superhero Movies. - Eric Bischoff praises the actual look of the film, the music and the choreography. He says it was very professionally done and looked great. - Bischoff says he loved how the documentary came full circle and told a redemption story. - Bischoff asks which moment during the film did he feel the whole process was really worth it? - David Arquette talks about how a hardcore fan came up to him and told him that he didn’t have anything to prove anymore and that he shouldn’t be putting himself through all this, and Arquette says that was really nice because that is kind of what he wanted all along...acceptance from the fans. - Arquette says the main thing that made him feel good is that he was finally accepted by “the boys” in the Locker Room. Arquette compares being shunned in the Pro Wrestling Locker Room to being left out on the first day of school, and says that really bothered him more than he had even admitted to himself. Arquette says he always felt like an outcast in the Pro Wrestling Locker Room. - Arquette says he respects Pro Wrestling and he went through a lot for it. - Arquette says the main theme of the documentary is about “self worth” and that is what it ended up meaning to him. - Arquette says that when he was in WCW the first time, he hung out with Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan and Sting and he went drinking and partied with them, but now he realizes he was accepted only as a fellow celebrity. Arquette says this time is different, because he is accepted as being “one of the boys” and that is what he really wanted. - David Arquette jokes about how Ric Flair was nice enough to be in the documentary, but he Flair still said some things about him that weren’t so nice. - Eric Bischoff says he got teary-eyed when he watched the final training scene in Mexico with the Luchadores because of a special honor they paid him. (Bischoff says he won’t say what because he doesn’t want to spoil the scene.) - David Arquette puts over what a big deal Lucha Libre is in Mexico from a cultural standpoint. - Arquette says a little thing like fans patting him on the back and giving him high fives might seem like a small thing but it meant so much to him. - Arquette says it was so much hard work, it was hard physically and hard travel...but it was worth it. - Eric Bischoff says it’s especially hard when you get your jugular vein cut. - David Arquette says he didn’t realize how much “death matches” had evolved from just chairs and stuff, and now there are florescent light tubes. But he did it because he has a high tolerance for pain. - Arquette says the injury to his neck was his fault, because he didn’t do what was planned during the spot, he grabbed Nick Gage’s legs when he shouldn’t have, and turned when he was taking the bump so he landed wrong. Arquette says if he had stuck to the plan and done the spot the way it was intended, that never would have happened. - Arquette says he has no problem with Nick Gage, and he appreciates him. - Eric Bischoff asks how people can see the documentary. - David Arquette says he hopes it will be available on all platforms as of September 2020. - Eric Bischoff spends the next couple of minutes praising David Arquette as a person and praising the documentary, and then David Arquette returns the favor and spends a couple of minutes talking about how great Eric Bischoff is, how much he has done for his career and what a great friend he is. - Eric Bischoff ends the interview by strongly recommending everybody see “You Cannot Kill David Arquette.” ~End of Interview~ And now, because absolutely nobody asked... “You Cannot Kill David Arquette” WARNING: SPOILERS! After listening to the interview recapped above, I wanted to check out the documentary which was the main topic of the interview. I had seen a couple of people praising it online, so I wanted to see for myself. Upon looking into it, I discovered the documentary had been added to Netflix Canada a couple of weeks ago. (I have no idea if it is available in the United States, because Netflix Canada and the Netflix in the USA have totally separate film libraries.) “You Cannot Kill David Arquette” is a decent documentary. I can honestly say that the movie is fairly entertaining. It’s about 90 minutes long, and I was never bored. It held my interest. However, there are a couple of issues with the film, in my opinion. First and foremost, it seemed pretty obvious to me that this documentary has a bit of a credibility problem. There are quite a few scenes in this film that appear to be staged...and an argument can be made that the entire premise of the movie is structured in such a way to allow a prearranged narrative to be laid out. I know this sounds hilarious when discussing a documentary about Pro Wrestling, but there are some credibility issues with this movie. It’s presented as a supposedly legitimate documentary...and I don’t buy it. The premise is pretty simple. It is pretty much as described in the interview above with Eric Bischoff. David Arquette was at one point a successful actor with a promising career and some decent long term prospects. Through a combination of bad career choices, addiction problems and mental health challenges, he has fallen on hard times. They do the expected dive into Arquette’s family history with interesting interviews with his family members and lots of clips of his film career and different talk show appearances. We see him at home with his family. I have no issue with that set up, and it seems to be fairly accurate. What is sort of suggested (although not said outright) is that part of the reason Arquette has faded into obscurity is due to his fascination with Professional Wrestling. We see an interview with Arquette’s ex-wife Courtney Cox where she discuses how she was embarrassed by the way he behaved when he attended live Pro Wrestling events, and especially how he acted when he was involved in the storyline in WCW 18 years ago. Arquette talks about how Pro Wrestling fans got on his case for winning the World Title, and we see a bunch of clips of people trashing him on YouTube, and other interviews with people bemoaning the whole situation. Arquette admits he is an alcoholic and is struggling with depression and anxiety. The first fishy scene is when he goes into the hospital for an experimental treatment involving a ketamine injection to treat his depression. The whole scene seemed really staged to me, and I have doubts about any credible doctor who would allow such a treatment to be filmed. Not to mention, Arquette’s reaction to the treatment is quite honestly more than a little hammy, and not terribly convincing...but maybe that’s just my take. Now that he’s been treated for his anxiety and depression, Arquette decides to attend a Pro Wrestling fanfest. He claims this is the first time he has been invited to such an event, and he excitedly goes into his Storage Locker and pulls out an old Halloween costume or something, which appears to be some sort of Wizard’s cape or something. He then goes to visit a professional photographer, and has a stack of pictures taken which he will bring with him to the autograph signing. The whole photo shoot scene is also really over the top and downright goofy. Arquette claimed in the interview that he basically wants to be respected and taken seriously by the Pro Wrestling business...but in this scene (and others) he acts in a way that pretty much guarantees that he won’t be taken seriously by anybody. He basically prances around in his underwear and acts like a total jackass...which is fine, but it doesn’t seem to lend much credence to the whole “I want respect” argument he has been making. So we’re off to the autograph show, and it ends up being like a scene out of Spinal Tap, or maybe “The Wrestler.” Nobody wants to talk to David Arquette. Nobody wants his autograph. He poses for some pictures with the other Pro Wrestlers at the show, but basically the whole thing is a washout. Once again, it’s possible this scene is documented as it actually happened...but it seemed to me to be very staged. After the autograph signing, Arquette goes into a bar and tries to talk to some of the wrestlers who were there. He walks up to Brian Knobbs, who gets in Arquette’s face and a shoving match ensues. We are supposed to believe that Knobbs doesn’t like Arquette because he “doesn’t respect the business.” David Arquette is very upset at this reception, and leaves. Based on this incident, David Arquette decides he is going to train to become a Pro Wrestler. He is going to earn the respect of the fans and “the boys.” He informs his wife and kids. Arquette’s wife and his teenage daughter are not enthused about the idea. Once again, the whole autograph signing and shoving match in the bar come across to me as highly suspect. I’m not an idiot, I know practically all documentaries and reality shows involve a lot of manufactured scenarios or pre-planned situations, but to me this all seemed to be blatantly so. If you’re going to stage something, you need to do it in a convincing manner. I just didn’t buy this. So David Arquette meets up with a backyard wrestler and works a backyard show in front of literally nobody but the other backyard wrestlers. The ring breaks during the match, and comedy ensues of course. Not to mention, the cast of characters who are in attendance at this backyard show are basically a bunch of fat, out of shape and ridiculous looking oddballs, who take themselves totally seriously and are spouting every Pro Wrestling industry cliche you can imagine. It was during this scene that I fully understood...this documentary is not really intended for Pro Wrestling fans. This is for people who don’t watch Pro Wrestling. It is intended to make David Arquette a sympathetic character, and it plays portrays Pro Wrestlers and Pro Wrestling fans as fodder for comedy. Which is fine, but once again...it kind of flies in the face of Arquette’s whole “I want respect” credo. David Arquette starts training with some guy I have never seen or heard of before, and starts learning to do bumps in a “wrestling school” in a dilapidated barn. Once again, the trainer is super serious about this whole deal and gravely gives an interview explaining how serious this training is, and how he is really going to put Arquette through the paces. Neither the trainer or any of the other students look like they have ever seen the inside of a gym before, which I assume is intended to enforce the fact that Arquette is starting his journey on the proverbial bottom rung of the Pro Wrestling ladder. Next up, David Arquette heads to Mexico. He meets up with Diamond Dallas Page who of course happens to be doing DDP Yoga and wearing DDP Yoga gear and says he will help train...whereupon they start doing...surprise...DDP Yoga! DDP’s speech to David Arquette during this scene is also very contrived and hammy. After his training with DDP, Arquette hooks up with a trio of very chubby luchadores, and trains in what appears to either be a basement or maybe an abandoned warehouse. He wrestles in a trios match in front of maybe 50 fans, if that. He executes a couple of fairly basic moves, and is rewarded by being given his very own lucha mask, which he takes as a great honor. This is the scene Eric Bischoff referred to in the interview. There is a really weird scene where Arquette hangs out on a street corner in the middle of a busy intersection somewhere in Mexico. While the motorists are waiting for the lights to change, Arquette and his chubby lucha pals execute little staged lucha fights, in the middle of the street...and then beg for change. Of course, David Arquette doesn’t earn any money. David Arquette returns home, sets up a wrestling ring in his backyard and commits to his training. Arquette is seen training with Peter Avalon, and as time passes he clearly gets into better and better physical condition. He goes from being kind of doughy looking to being in pretty decent shape. Most notably, he starts working at “Championship Wrestling from Hollywood.” He works an angle with a guy from CWH whose name I forget. He starts giving interviews about his new career on shows like Wendy Williams and Ellen, and TMZ picks up on the story and airs a piece about him. Arquette’s career on the independent scene starts to pick up some steam. His wife and daughter come and watch him on Championship Wrestling from Hollywood, and his daughter supposedly enjoys herself. To me, these are the best scenes in the movie, because they come across as the least staged and fake parts. Arquette really does train with Peter Avalon. He really does get into much better shape, although I could have lived without the scenes of him trying to use spray tan with a sock hanging over his dick. That scene, like many others just comes across as obviously intended to get laughs...it doesn’t seem natural, it just seems like cheap and not really effective comedy. Throughout this whole journey, we see a couple of interviews with David Arquette’s wife. She talks about how she used to work for Entertainment Tonight, but now she has gotten into film producing. She gravely informs us she is very worried about her husband’s health and well being. She even implies that David becoming a Pro Wrestler might cost him their marriage. And then during the end credits...she is listed as a producer for the documentary...because if your husband is doing something which could end your marriage, the natural thing to do is produce it. Finally, we build up to a match between David Arquette and Nick Gage. The match goes fairly well, until Nick Gage introduces florescent light tubes into the proceedings. A spot gets botched, and glass gets driven into the neck of David Arquette, Despite the injury, Arquette bravely finishes the match, but then his friend Luke Perry rushes him to the hospital. This is pretty much the biggest scene in the movie. It made the news all over the world when it happened. We see a montage of media coverage of the incident, including an audio clip of Jim Cornette having the expected reaction. I am of two minds about this scene. It certainly looked real. Arquette has a large scar on the side of his neck now. The reason I have doubts about the whole thing is because the entire documentary up to this point has seemed to contrived and staged...and let’s be honest...the publicity generated by this incident was pretty much the whole selling point of the documentary. If this injury was actually legitimate, then all I’ll say is that it ended up being the best and most helpful life threatening injury in Pro Wrestling history. In the end, I’ll say this...I am willing to believe that something went wrong in the match between David Arquette and Nick Gage, but if it turns out that the whole thing was a work, I wouldn’t be one little bit surprised. After the injury, David Arquette falls back into depression and starts drinking again. He spends his time sitting alone in the dark, watching old Macho Man matches. He talks (not for the first time) about how beautiful Miss Elizabeth is, and how much she looks like his wife. They zoom in and focus on a picture of Elizabeth wearing a red dress. But his wife isn’t there...she has gone away for work. But now a chance for redemption arrives. It is the one year anniversary of the fanfest that started this whole journey, the place where nobody wanted to talk to David Arquette or get his autograph. The place where Brian Knobbs shoved him and told him he wasn’t one of the boys. Except this year...they want David Arquette to come back, and they want him to fight Ken Anderson. Anderson of course is willing to cut a scathing promo talking about how David Arquette doesn’t respect the business and doesn’t belong in Pro Wrestling, and blah blah blah. David Arquette starts training again and we see a montage worthy of one of the Rocky movies. He lifts weights, he runs, he spars. And then the day arrives...but wait! Here’s David Arquette’s wife, and she’s dressed just like Miss Elizabeth, in a red dress, no less! Arquette wrestles Ken Anderson in a heavily edited match, and we see him executing a bunch of fairly basic Pro Wrestling moves. And after the match, the crowd embraces him and cheers for him. And more importantly...Arquette heads back to the dressing room where he is accepted and hugged by “the boys” including Brian Knobbs. We’ve now come full circle. It’s all perfect. And like I said before...it comes off as totally unbelievable and contrived. I assume this documentary is intended to impress people who don’t really know anything about Pro Wrestling. Along the way, it feeds pretty much every negative cliche about Pro Wrestling and Pro Wrestling fans. The majority of the fans shown and interviewed in this documentary are fat, pathetic looking losers. One of them happily admits that aside from being a Pro Wrestling fan, he really doesn’t have a life. Granted...a lot of those cliches are cliches for a reason. Lord knows, I’ve been to a couple of Ring of Honor shows which pretty much confirm each and every one of those stereotypes. But my issue is that if this documentary really is intended to be David Arquette’s “love letter” to Pro Wrestling, then I have to wonder why he was so happy to lean into every negative stereotype about the sport, and it’s fans? Maybe he wanted revenge for all the shit die hard fans have given him over the years...who knows. Here’s the thing... Do I believe David Arquette’s career has hit the skids? Yes. Do I think he has a substance abuse problem and mental health issues? Yes. Do I believe David Arquette is a Pro Wrestling fan? Absolutely. Do I think David Arquette took a ton of shit from hardcore fans and even a lot of Pro Wrestlers because he won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship? And do I believe that upset him? Yes, and yes. After that...your mileage may vary. His willingness to train to be a Pro Wrestler, his journey from the backyard scene to Mexico to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood, to a Death Match with Nick Gage...that was all compelling on it’s own. I don’t think the story needed to be so obviously structured and laid out in advance with a contrived narrative. Of course, in the end I guess that’s fitting because at it’s base, that’s what Pro Wrestling itself is. If you read other reviews of this documentary, it seems like I am not the only person who thought a lot of the stuff that happened in this film was a little too perfect. But who cares, I guess. It’s Pro Wrestling, so if you approach watching this documentary as if you’re watching a Pro Wrestling match, you’ll probably enjoy it. You just have to be willing to suspend disbelief. It’s like any good Pro Wrestling match. Entertaining...as long as you don’t think about it too hard.
  7. Like everybody else here, when I first listened to the interview with Jim Herd, there were quite a few things that almost jumped out at me. I agree that the popular narrative has always been that Jim Herd was just some clueless putz that used to be the Vice President of Pizza Hut, that Ted Turner chose him to run WCW for some inexplicable reason. That idea has largely been pushed by Jim Cornette and Ric Flair, and to a degree by Jim Ross. On top of that, if you read "The Death of WCW" which for a lot of hardcore Pro Wrestling fans is kind of seen on the definitive word on the historically inept management of WCW...that book does not paint Jim Herd in a very flattering light at all. Clearly, Jim Herd was a lot more qualified to run WCW than most people ever knew. He had promoted shows for Vince Sr., and he was in charge of syndicating and promoting "Wrestling at the Chase." It turns out he was actually one of the guys who first sold Ted Turner on broadcasting Pro Wrestling, before Turner even ran The Superstation. So it makes sense Turner would hire him. On top of that, he was an experienced executive who could be expected to function well within the corporate environment at Turner Broadcasting. So basically, I think the traditional narrative that Jim Herd was "not qualified" to run WCW is bullshit. Secondly, I agree that Herd probably gets blamed for a lot of crap that in hindsight was clearly either not his fault, or was outside his scope of influence. It wasn't his decision to tone down the product or get rid of violence (although he clearly agreed with the decision) and it wasn't his idea to try and cater the product more to kids (although once again, he was obviously all for the idea.) It wasn't his decision to force out Dusty Rhodes and Jim Crockett, and basically alienate a lot of the older fans of JCP. And it sounds like a good many of the stupid things that happened while Herd was in charge may not have been his idea. Like Robocop, or even El Gigante possibly. Jim Herd obviously did a lot of things right when he ran WCW, stuff he probably doesn't get credit for. As much as I love old school "studio wrestling" it was probably a smart idea to move out of the Techwood Studios and into arenas when they taped Television. It was a good idea to introduce better sets, lighting and pyrotechnics. Herd does deserve credit for signing Ricky Steamboat and helping present the Flair/Steamboat Trilogy and Flair/Funk feud in 89. Jim Herd was one of the first guys I've ever heard of who actually did Market Research for Pro Wrestling, which from a business standpoint is smart. Having said all that...I still think Herd deserves to take a lot of shit for some of the decisions he made when he ran WCW. Herd promoted shows for Vince McMahon Sr., and he promoted shows for Sam Muchnick. He promoted them, but he never booked them. He wasn't a booker and he clearly was not a very creative person when it came to Pro Wrestling. Jim Herd had no business getting actively involved in the creative process in WCW. And it's pretty much unanimous from anybody who was ever on the WCW Booking Committee, Jim Herd was always interfering in the booking of WCW when he was in charge. He was hired to oversee the creative process, and I don't even blame him for wanting to get away from the "one booker" system and implement a Booking Committee. I don't have an issue with the Committee having to run all their storylines and angles past Herd, especially after what happened with Dusty and the spike. But I don't think Ted Turner or Jack Petrik insisted that Jim Herd get actively involved in the creative process, I think he took that upon himself. Jim Ross has said as much. I think history would probably look a lot more kindly on Jim Herd if he would have just left the booking to the Booking Committee. The Candyman was Jim Herd's idea. The Ding Dongs were Jim Herd's idea. And you saw yourself in this interview...he pitched the idea of "The Zodiac Man" and he still sounded quite proud of the idea when he talked about it, almost 30 years later. There's no way around it...these were mindbogglingly stupid ideas. People still mock Herd for The Ding Dongs, and rightfully so. I know he wanted to appeal to little kids, and I know with The Candyman and The Ding Dongs the whole idea was to sell merchandise...but come on. I will give Herd a pass on the whole "Spartacus" thing. I don't believe he ever seriously wanted Ric Flair to become Spartacus. I think people on the Booking Committee were worried that he did really want to do that, after they saw some of Herd's other genius ideas...but I think that was probably just as a joke that got out, but was repeated as a fact. I think @sek69 is right, I think by this point Ric Flair was so paranoid that he believed every rumor. I'm even willing to believe that Flair might have thought Luger was making equal or more money than he was, when it wasn't the case. I'll give Herd that much. Having worked with Sam Muchnick, Jim Herd clearly saw and enjoyed good solid Pro Wrestling matches and he said that several times during the interview with Conrad...that he wanted good, competitive matches. He wanted good, competitive matches...but he didn't see anything in The Midnight Express, who for my money are one of the greatest Tag Teams not just in WCW history, but of all time. He saw Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson as "midcard" talent at best. I totally get Jim Herd not liking Jim Cornette. But there is another side to that story. At one point, Herd kept telling Cornette that one of the main reasons he wasn't doing more with The Midnight Express is because he thought their act was old and needed freshening up. Herd said as much during this interview. And Cornette knew that Herd hated him, and he was worried that Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton were basically being punished because Herd hated him. Cornette didn't want his friends suffering because of his own big mouth. Jim Herd wanted Cornette on the Booking Committee, and as a Color Commentator. He actually apparently offered Cornette more money to do those things than he had offered him as a talent. So Cornette actually backed down. Cornette met with the Booking Committee, and Jim Herd. Cornette agreed that they would run an injury angle, and he would retire from managing. Then, the plan was to reform the Four Horsemen as a unit with Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton. Herd would get what he wanted...no more Cornette on TV and a new role for The Midnight Express, and The Midnight Express would get a new contract and more money, plus be involved in a key role, obviously. Everybody agreed. And then at the last minute, for no stated reason...Herd changed his mind and killed the deal. Then let's look at what Jim Herd did to Arn Anderson. Arn and Tully wanted out of their WWF contract because the travel was insane and they felt Vince McMahon wasn't living up to what he had promised them financially. (Arn and Tully both discussed this recently when Tully was a guest on Arn's podcast.) Tully reached out to Jim Herd and made the deal for Arn and Tully to return to WCW for a decent salary...but the key selling point was much less travel. Arn had a young son at the time, and he wanted to be able to spend more time with his family. So they gave their notice, and then Tully flunked the drug test. I don't have a problem with Jack Petrik pulling Tully Blanchard's contract due to the drug test failure. Jim Ross, Arn Anderson, Jim Cornette, Ric Flair and Tully himself have all claimed that Tully went to Herd and offered to go to rehab or do whatever he had to do in order to earn the spot back, and it was Herd who said no. If he was doing that at Jack Petrik's order, we'll never know. But Herd's decision to dramatically cut Arn Anderson's contract by almost two-thirds and tell him that without Tully Blanchard he wasn't worth as much...that's just plain old bullshit. Arn Anderson has gone on record saying that if he had known that was going to happen, he never would have left the WWF. Arn has said that everybody in the WWF was extremely positive with him when he finished out his WWF dates teaming with Haku instead of Tully, and there were apparently some inferences made to him that if he wanted to stay and keep teaming with Haku, that would have worked out. But Arn left because he had a deal with Jim Herd, and Herd welched on the deal. The guy had a family to take care of, and Jim Herd basically fucked him on the deal...and then told him that if it was a problem he should go and ask Vince McMahon for his job back. During the interview with Conrad, even after all this time...Herd went to great lengths to try and dance around the fact that he had financial discretion when it came to contracts. Herd had a mandate from Turner via Petrik to keep expenses under control, sure...but Jim Herd had full discretion when it came to the amount talents would be paid. He didn't have to do that to Arn Anderson, he just did it because he could. It's possible he did it just to screw with Ric Flair. Bottom line is, Jim Herd is a guy who claims he was interested in promoting good Pro Wrestling matches, but he didn't see the value in The Midnight Express and Arn and Tully...so basically fuck that guy. And that's not even getting into his relationship with Ric Flair. Most hardcore fans agree that 1989 was the best year of Flair's career. Herd was right there for that, but he still seemed to enjoy fucking with Flair for no real reason I can see. And I'm sorry...I just don't buy the whole "Flair didn't want to lose" story from Herd. Flair has said repeatedly that he didn't want to lose to Luger, but he had no issue putting Sting over. Herd tried to paint Flair in this interview as one of those guys who wouldn't do jobs, and I don't think history bears that out. You can say what you want about Ric Flair, but he never seemed to have a problem losing to a lot of different guys, on a lot of different occasions. I think Flair just didn't trust Jim Herd being involved with booking, and based on the evidence...can you blame him? Trust me, after I listened to this interview a couple of times I ended up feeling sorry for the sad, feeble old man who doesn't have any friends after all those years in Pro Wrestling. And I do feel bad that guys like Cornette and Flair (and a lot of other people) have basically had a field day bashing the guy for the past 30 years and blaming all the ills of WCW solely on him. But even Herd admitted during this interview that he was a loudmouth, and there is plenty of evidence that he was a bit of a stubborn asshole when he ran WCW. He may not have been as big of an asshole as we've been led to believe, and he might not have been responsible for all the asshole decisions we've been told he was...but he was still an asshole.
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  9. No, Ad Free Shows has never posted audio versions of any of the podcast Live Shows. I think you're probably right, I would assume Bruce might have possibly said a few things during those shows back in the early days of Something To Wrestle which he most likely wouldn't like repeated at this point. You could tell during the first year or two of that show he thought there was little chance of his ever going back to work for Vince, so he was a little bit more likely to say things somewhat negative or critical of WWE, although not much. The whole idea of the hosts getting drunk and saying something controversial ended up being a "work" anyhow, as it turns out. I guess during the shows, Bruce would always be supposedly chugging Miller Lite, with the whole supposed appeal that he might just slip up say something controversial...which you could only see if you bought a ticket to a Live Show. So a couple of years ago around Wrestlemania, he ended up having Eric Bischoff as a guest at one of his STW Live Shows. Eric is a pretty legendary drinker, so he started matching Bruce, beer for beer. Every time Bruce opened a beer, Eric would chug one. Only problem is, Bruce wasn't really drinking...he was just pretending for the sake of the crowd. Bischoff only found that out after drinking a ton of beer, when he kicked over all of Bruce's supposed "empty" cans under the table, and found out they were still full. The whole "Bruce might get drunk and say something he shouldn't" was pretty much just a gimmick to get people to come to the Live Shows. The funniest part was that right after the Live Show, Bruce, Eric and JBL had to go and film an episode of Table for 3 for the WWE Network and if you watch that episode...Eric is visibly drunk because he thought he was keeping up with Bruce...but nope! Carnies gonna Carny, I guess. To his credit, Conrad has pretty freely admitted all this on his "Ask Conrad Anything" podcast. All those times you could hear Bruce popping open a can during an episode of STW, and saying "It's Miller Time" Conrad has since admitted that Bruce was actually drinking Coke Zero. I think Prichard still drinks, but nowhere near as much as he pretended he does...especially after his two heart attacks. Alcohol and heart medication do not mix well, I know this from personal experience. Ad Free Shows consistently posts audio versions of the Live Shows and Panels from all the various Starrcast conventions, but they've never posted any other "live" content. They have been going back through the back catalogue of Conrad's podcasts and are uploading them with the ads cut out, which is good. Plus, they are uploading all of JR and Bruce's original podcasts, as well as both Ric Flair shows. They are even going to be adding JR's old Radio Show from Altanta back in the 90's, apparently.
  10. No, he didn't. To be honest, I'm not sure he would have been able to remember. Conrad kind of had to lead him through the timeline of the interview. Herd could remember big details of particular incidents but I got the general impression that he wasn't totally clear on dates and stuff like that. No, Conrad talked about this on an episode of "Ask Conrad Anything." Conrad said that after the taped portion of the interview was over, Herd signed some memorabilia for him, and as he did that Conrad confessed to Herd that Ric Flair was his wife's Father. Conrad said that Herd was surprised, but he didn't seem upset about it at all. The other thing Conrad talked about was how he was impressed about how highly Jim Herd spoke of Jim Ross during the interview. Based on that, Conrad actually called JR on the phone while he was sitting there with Jim Herd, and he put JR on the phone to talk to Herd. Conrad said that Herd was thrilled to talk to Jim Ross again after all these years and it was actually a touching scene to witness. You have to keep in mind that although JR has taken his fair share of shots at Jim Herd over the years, he has never been anywhere near as mean spirited as people like Ric Flair or Jim Cornette. JR has talked at length on his podcast about his relationship with Herd. JR claims that he was the only person on the entire WCW Booking Team who actually lived in Atlanta, as did Jim Herd. Consequently, when the work week was over, the other members of the Booking Committee would leave Atlanta and fly home, leaving just JR and Jim Herd in the offices. JR has even said that he took a fair bit of shit from his coworkers about being friendly with Herd, but JR admits that he liked Herd as a person, especially when you got him away from the office and dealing with business. JR says that he and Herd went out to dinner quite a few times, and I believe they may have done a bit of drinking together as well. The only two things that Conrad really pressed him on was when you could tell Herd was trying to avoid discussing the details about why he cut Flair's contract, and also why he backed out of the deal he had with Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Other than that, the interview felt like more of a friendly conversation than anything. I have to give Conrad a lot of credit for how he handled that interview. You could tell that he was walking a fine line, because he wanted to get Herd's version of a lot of the more controversial things that came up while he ran WCW, like the Flair contract dispute, Tully Blanchard's firing, Jim Cornette, El Gigante, Robocop, etc...but he didn't want to be an asshole about it. Like I said, at this point Jim Herd kind of comes across as a kindly old man, hardly the blowhard he has been made out to be over the years. And I don't doubt that Herd was a bit of a loudmouth when he ran WCW...he admitted as much in this interview. But at this point, he just seems like a somewhat sad old man, telling stories.
  11. After listening to the interview, I don't have much doubt that Herd legitimately didn't know who was interviewing Flair. Firstly, Conrad is just assuming that it was the interview Flair did with Austin, it's possible Flair could have been doing some other TV interview with somebody who was bald. Plus, when Herd talked about seeing the interview with Flair you could tell he was trying to remember the name of the person who was doing the interview, but he just couldn't come up with the name at that moment. I don't know about in St. Louis, but here in Toronto they have shown "The Broken Skull Sessions" on our cable Sports Network. I know WWE is letting some of the Sports Networks in North America show some of their previously Network exclusive stuff, since the Sports Networks are starved for original content due to the pandemic, and it works to WWE's advantage since it is basically a free preview for them of the WWE Network. Herd didn't actually say he watches wrestling whenever it's on TV. He said that he'll watch wrestling if it's on TV, but I think it's more like he'll watch it when he's channel surfing but he was pretty clear that he doesn't actively follow the product. I got the impression that he still feels kind of betrayed by the entire business, even after all these years. Bottom line is, the dude is 88 years old. My Dad is 81, and he can tell me word for word about a conversation he had with one of his teachers when he was in High School, but then he'll tell me the same thing that happened today, three times in the same conversation. Memory is a weird thing. It didn't come across in the recap, but Conrad did a hell of a job keeping Herd on topic and kind of leading him through the interview. Whenever Herd started to meander off topic, Conrad would kind of steer him back in the right direction.
  12. I agree. You know one other thing that has made me scratch my head? What the HELL was Dusty Rhodes thinking when he booked that angle where The Road Warriors drove the spike into his eye? He had supposedly been specifically told to NOT do anything like that, and it seems like he almost went out of his way to defy Ted Turner's orders, right after Turner had rescued the company from closing down when JCP basically went broke. I have heard JR talk about that, and he has never really been able to shed any light on why Dusty would have done that, when he pretty much had to know it was going to result in a major backlash. I even had the RF Video Shoot Interview with The Road Warriors on VHS, and even they said they thought it was a stupid idea and was basically pointless.
  13. Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it. I hope @Dooley, @MoS, @ButchReedMark, @Matt D, @clintthecrippler and @PeteF3 enjoyed it as well, since they all voted for it. Hope the interview lived up to everybody's expectations. So there is some news on the "Conversations with Conrad" front. Conrad has announced that his next interview has been lined up for next month, and the guest will be none other than Jim Crockett. I assume everybody will be interested in reading a recap of that interview once it is released on Ad Free Shows? As far as my next recap, I am kind of leaning toward "The Plane Ride From Hell" episode with Jim Ross. A couple of people expressed interest in that one. So I think I will tackle that next, unless anybody has any other requests before that?
  14. Ad Free Shows Exclusive “Conversations with Conrad” With former WCW Executive Vice President Jim Herd: Part 2 - The Conclusion November 10, 2020 - Conrad says that it has been reported that in the July of 1991, Ric Flair and Jim Herd were involved in a contract dispute. Conrad says Ric Flair claims that Jim Herd not only refused to pay Flair what he had been earning on his previous contract, but Herd wanted to cut Flair’s existing contract. - Jim Herd becomes a little evasive at this point. Herd says: “You know...those things deteriorate. Things happen, or couldn’t happen. So he ends up with Vince. Vince sees an opening...so he does it.” - Conrad says that the posters for The Great American Bash had already been printed, and the Main Event had been advertised as Flair vs. Luger for the World Heavyweight Championship. Conrad says the story has always been that Ric Flair was told to drop the title to Lex Luger but he refused and stopped working. - Conrad asks Jim Herd directly: What was the reason for the “divorce” between Ric Flair and WCW? Conrad asks Jim Herd if it is true that Herd asked Ric Flair to take a pay cut, or did Herd just refuse to pay Flair more on his new contract? - Jim Herd says: “I didn’t want to pay Flair the same amount I had been paying. I was getting pressure to save money because money wasn’t coming in.” - Conrad asks if Jim Herd thinks Ric Flair was justified wanting to keep making the same amount he had been making...$750,000 a year, considering the fact that Lex Luger was making $600,000 a year and Sting was making even more than that. - Jim Herd gets a little defensive at this point and says: “Lex Luger never made more than $240,000 a year. Never! So the difference between Ric Flair’s contract and Lex Luger’s contract was huge.” - Herd says you can try and keep everybody happy so they will all work together and fulfill Ted Turner’s vision, but you have to remember that Ted Turner was the one making the rules, and he had to follow them. Herd says the wrestlers in WCW never understood that. Herd says Ric Flair wouldn’t accept Ted Turner’s financial offer. - Conrad asks how much these contract negotiations were complicated by Ric Flair’s attorney Dennis Guthrie. - Herd gets a little snarky again. “I never liked him from the day I first saw him coming through the door.” Herd says that Guthrie tried to act like he was in control of the negotiations from the beginning but Herd told him “The guy backing me (Turner) is the one in control, because he’s got the cold, hard, cash.” - Conrad asks if Jim Herd regrets how this situation ended up. - Jim Herd says: “Yeah, I do. I always thought Ric and I were friends...but actually it turned out that Ric didn’t even like me that much.” (Sidenote: I have to admit, the way Jim Herd made the above statement was really kind of sad. Recapping just the words really doesn’t convey the emotion in Herd’s voice, he sounded quite wistful about the relationship between himself and Ric Flair. I never thought I’d ever end up feeling sorry for Jim Herd, but the way he answered that question, I absolutely did.) - Herd says that as “the man in the middle” between Ted Turner/Jack Petrick and Ric Flair, he ended up taking the brunt of all the criticism. - Conrad says that Jim Herd has always been criticized for trying to get the World Championship off Ric Flair and onto somebody else, but Conrad asks if that is a fair criticism, since Herd had been given the mandate to make as much money as possible and WCW wasn’t drawing money at that time? - Jim Herd says WCW was losing money at first, but when they started to cut house shows and just focused on being a TV product, they started to make money. Herd says the production costs and overhead for running house shows was huge and they weren’t drawing the fans to justify it. Herd says that by reducing the production costs they started to save quite a bit of money. - Conrad asks if the return of Dusty Rhodes to WCW was one of the reasons Ric Flair wanted to leave? - Jim Herd says he doesn’t think so. Herd says that Dusty was initially supposed to come back as a performer but he ended up on the Booking Committee. Herd says that Dusty had lost a lot of energy and was not the same man when he came back from the WWF, and reiterates that all Dusty seemed to care about was pushing his son Dustin, and that he presented no threat to Ric Flair. - Conrad says that it was reported that on July 8, 1991 there was one final meeting between Ric Flair and his lawyer Dennis Guthrie with Jim Herd and Jack Petrik at the Ritz-Carlton in Atlanta, where one last pitch was made to try and salvage the relationship between Ric Flair and WCW. - Jim Herd confirms that is true. - Conrad asks if it is true that at this meeting, Herd acquiesced to Ric Flair’s salary demands and offered him the contract for $750,000 but only for one year, and with a Non-Disclosure Agreement. - Jim Herd says that is true. - Conrad asks why this contract wasn’t accepted, since it was for the amount Ric Flair had originally asked for? - Herd says that by this point, Flair’s ego wouldn’t allow him to accept the contract. Herd says Flair wanted to be the top guy, and a guarantee that he would make the top money and he wouldn’t let anybody else be the top guy. - Conrad says Dave Meltzer claimed the only reason that WCW made the offer is because the Turner organization realized that they had no legal standing to release Ric Flair before his existing contract had expired? Conrad asks, what was the real reason for this meeting...was it because Jim Herd wanted to resolve the dispute, or because Turner’s legal team forced him to? - Jim Herd says: “I guess it was a little of both.” Herd says the lawyers were worried that Ric Flair would sue them for breaching his existing contract. Herd says the Turner lawyers were also worried about the legal question of who actually owned the World Heavyweight Championship. - Conrad asks about the controversy surrounding the ownership of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. - Herd says that as far as he was concerned, the Turner organization and WCW owned the title belt, but Flair felt because he was the Champion, it was in his possession so he felt he owned it. - Jim Herd says that he always calls Professional Wrestling: “The World’s Greatest Lie.” Herd says Flair never actually really “won” the belt so of course he had no actual claim to it. Herd implies that some of the Turner lawyers seemed to think Flair actually won it “fair and square.” Herd says that the whole concept of Professional Wrestling being predetermined and Championship Titles not being fairly contested was “hard for lawyers to digest.” - Conrad talks about The Great American Bash 1991, that the fans were chanting “We Want Flair” and there were anti-Dusty signs in the crowd and even a sign that said “We’ve Herd Enough.” - Conrad asks about the decision to put the World Heavyweight Championship on Lex Luger. - Jim Herd says it was difficult dealing with Lex Luger. Herd says Luger had a wife who was built like Lex was, and Luger’s wife did all the negotiating on Lex’s behalf. Herd says “I always seemed to end up negotiating with her, instead of him.” Herd says that he honestly never considered Lex Luger to be an integral part of WCW because “Lex wasn’t the greatest wrestler in the world, by any stretch of the imagination.” - Conrad says that after the fallout from Ric Flair’s departure from WCW and the Great American Bash 91, it was reported that Jim Herd stopped speaking to reporters like Dave Meltzer, Wade Keller and Steve Beverly? - Jim Herd says he was tired of reading what Dave Meltzer and other writers reported about WCW. Herd says “those guys were dreamers.” Herd says that it didn’t matter what he told reporters, they would always print what the wrestlers told them, or things they just “dreamed up.” - Herd says that he had given interviews and cooperated with the “dirt sheet” writers in the past but they never printed the truth. Herd says the reporters would never report about the reasons why Herd did what he did. - Herd says that even though he was part of “The World’s Greatest Lie” he started to get tired of all the lies that were being told inside the Pro Wrestling business. Herd says the reports were just not fair. - Conrad asks what is was like for Jim Herd when he saw the NWA World Heavyweight Championship show up on WWF television. - Jim Herd says: “it was like a slap to the side of my head.” - Herd says that around this time, he started to get really tired of dealing with all the lies and the confrontations and he said to himself: “Hey, I should go back and make pizzas.” - Herd says that by that time, “the writing was on the wall” and Ted Turner wasn’t happy with the product. - Herd reiterates that the even bigger problem for him was that the entire Turner organization seemed to hate Pro Wrestling and wanted nothing to do with it. - Herd says by this time, Jack Petrik had started to work for Turner Home Entertainment and was putting all the responsibilities for anything involving Pro Wrestling on Jim Herd...but Herd wasn’t getting any support. - Conrad asks if it is true that around this time, did Jim Herd receive a delivery of a giant wreath of dead flowers to his office? - Herd sighs and says: “Oh yeah...Cornette.” - Conrad says that around this time Jim Cornette had quit WCW because he wasn’t happy with creative and he wasn’t happy with how his boys (The Midnight Express) were being used. - Jim Herd says he liked Paul E. Dangerously, but not Jim Cornette. Jim Herd says Paul was different from Jim Cornette. Herd says Paul is smart, and he is funny whereas Cornette was mean spirited and blasphemous...and that is why Paul is still successful in the Pro Wrestling business and Cornette is not. - Herd says: “When it comes to Jim Cornette, his mouth is what made him and it eventually destroyed him.” Herd says he was tired of all the vitriol from Cornette. - Herd says: “Look...Cornette had two small guys. And you know, and everybody knows that two small guys when they wrestle bigger wrestlers, even if they’re good...they have a tougher time drawing fans than the large guys.” - Herd says Jim Cornette always negotiated on behalf of his guys and he always wanted more money because Cornette had to split the money three ways. Herd says that there was a lot of give and take in the negotiations with Cornette and The Midnight Express but finally he put his foot down and said they couldn’t have more money. - Herd admits that he tried to break up The Midnight Express and Jim Cornette and give them another manager, and have Jim Cornette manage different talent or do different things. - Conrad asks what he thought of Jim Cornette having the dead wreath delivered to his office. - Herd says he thought it was funny, that the wreath was dead and all burned up and charred. Herd says he took it down to Jim Ross’s office to show him. - Jim Herd says that Jim Cornette is another example of the old school type wrestlers who wouldn’t accept that WCW was getting away from violent content. Herd says Cornette and The Midnight Express had no issues with using a razor blade to gouge their foreheads and bleed...he was “another one of those violent types and we wanted to get rid of those.” - Conrad asks about a reporter named Steve Beverly and his newsletter “Mat Watch.” Conrad says that at one point, Jim Herd had a good relationship with Steve Beverly and used to talk to him all the time, but around this time is it true that Jim Herd got into trouble for making some controversial statements to Steve Beverly? - Specifically, Herd is alleged to have said about Ric Flair: “You’re talking about a guy who has never told the truth his whole life. He wanted to go...so we helped him.” - Conrad asks if it is true that Jim Herd got in trouble with Jack Petrik for that interview and that afterwards did Herd blame Steve Beverly? - Herd says: “Probably. I’ve got a big mouth.” - Jim Herd says that by this point, his relationship with Jack Petrik really started to deteriorate and Petrik tried to distance himself from WCW and Jim Herd. Herd says he and Jack Petrik were both getting tired of having meetings and neither one of them would get the answers they wanted. - Conrad says that it was reported that in January of 1992, Jim Herd had a meeting with Jack Petrik and complained he wasn’t getting enough support from the Turner organization in running WCW. Specifically, Herd reportedly felt Dusty Rhodes was politically manoeuvring behind Herd’s back. The reports claim that Herd demanded Dusty Rhodes be fired, but Jack Petrik refused and instead offered Herd another position with Turner Home Entertainment...and Herd refused and resigned. - Jim Herd says the meeting happened, but second part of the statement is untrue...Jack Petrik never offered him another position within the Turner organization. - Conrad asks if it is true that Jim Herd had harsh words for Dusty Rhodes, Magnum TA, and Jim Ross when he left WCW? - Herd says that it is true, and that he resented the WCW Booking Committee for giving him no support when he had to deal with Jack Petrik and the Turner organization. - Jim Herd says that in the end: “I was happy to get out of there.” - Herd says that he loved working for Sam Muchnick and he liked working for Vince McMahon Sr. Herd says that having worked with some of the all time greats in St. Louis, that was different from working for the Turner organization. Herd says there was a different trust factor between the management and the wrestlers in those days. - Conrad says that he doesn’t think Jim Herd gets enough credit for the good things he did accomplish in WCW, like presenting the Steamboat/Flair trilogy and the Flair/Funk and Flair/Sting matches. Conrad says despite that, many fans and reporters like to mock Jim Herd and his time in WCW. - Herd says he thought he had a good run, but when you work in a business that is based on lies and fabrications, you can’t expect to see the truth in print. Herd says that when you go into the Pro Wrestling business you have to accept all the lies and accept the fact that it will not last forever. - Jim Herd says Ted Turner will always be one of his heroes because he was a visionary. - Conrad asks what is Jim Herd’s biggest accomplishment in Pro Wrestling? - Jim Herd says that his biggest accomplishment was working with the great Sam Muchnick and helping promote shows in St. Louis. Herd says that he is proud that Pro Wrestling was so hot, they could sell out the Kiel Auditorium, 10,000 seats on the same night that the St. Louis Cardinals were playing. Herd says he remembers even the newspapers would marvel at the fact that the Cardinals would draw 20,000 fans on a Friday night, but Sam Muchnick would still sell out the Kiel. Herd says that’s how hot Pro Wrestling was in St. Louis. - Herd says one of his favorite stories was when Gene Kiniski was the World Heavyweight Champion in St. Louis. Herd says Kiniski had a terrible reputation for showing up late for shows. Herd says Muchnick had finally had enough of Kiniski’s tardiness and told him that the next time he showed up late, he would be given a steep fine and lose part of his payday for being so unprofessional. Herd claims that for the next show at the Kiel, Kiniski actually left his house on time and was on his way to the arena when he was pulled over by the cops and detained. Herd says Gene Kiniski was freaking out because he was going to get fined, but later he found out that the cops were friends of Sam Muchnick and Muchnick had arranged to have him pulled over and detained. Herd says Muchnick did it as a joke and to teach Kiniski how it felt to be stressed out about the show happening on time. Herd says Kiniski was never late after that. - Conrad says he forgot to ask about Jim Barnett, and if Barnett was valuable as an advisor to Jim Herd when he ran WCW? - Herd says Barnett wouldn’t think before he said things sometimes, but that he did listen to Jim Barnett. - Conrad asks if there was every anything Jim Herd wanted to do in WCW that he couldn’t accomplish. - Jim Herd says he always wished that he could have done a better job drawing kids to WCW. Herd says that is why he wanted to sign Randy Savage so badly, because The Macho Man was such a colorful character that kids loved him, and they could have got all sorts of great toy advertisements and things like that. Herd says he really thinks signing Randy Savage would have been a game changer and he has always regretted they couldn’t get the deal done. - Conrad asks why Ricky Steamboat was in WCW so briefly. Conrad says that there have been rumors that Ricky’s wife Bonnie negotiated on his behalf and that would get in that way of Ricky’s career. Conrad asks if that is true. - Jim Herd says no, he doesn’t think so. Herd says he remembers going to Steamboat’s home in North Carolina when Steamboat made the decision to leave WCW. Herd says Steamboat being at home with his family was always his main priority and Herd respected that. Herd says that after being on the road all the time in the WWF, Steamboat wanted a much lighter schedule. Herd says he thought Steamboat might have wanted out of the business altogether. - Conrad asks who the best booker Jim Herd ever worked with? - Herd says Kevin Sullivan is one of the most creative people he ever worked with. Herd says the only problem with Sullivan was that “he was also a cutter” and that he liked to book violent angles and stories and just couldn’t understand that Ted Turner wouldn’t allow that. Herd says Sullivan’s career in WCW was diminished by his refusal to accept Turner’s insistence that violence be toned down or eliminated. - Jim Herd reiterates that when he was hired, Ted Turner told him there was to be no violence, and no blood. “He didn’t even give me a grace period, he wanted that stopped immediately.” Herd says the failure by a lot of “old school” talents to understand or accept how serious Ted Turner was about that, really ended up hurting their careers. - Conrad asks about the famous incident with Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Conrad says that Blanchard and Anderson left the WWF and were poised to return to WCW with big contracts, when it was announced that Blanchard had failed a drug test. As a result, Blanchard’s contract offer was pulled and Anderson’s was severely reduced. - Jim Herd says he remembers going to Jack Petrik and informing him that Blanchard had failed the drug test, and that Jack Petrik made the decision to pull Blanchard’s contract. Herd says he can’t remember if Petrik consulted with Ted Turner before making that decision, but Jack Petrik “wouldn’t abide by that.” - Conrad asks if that was the right decision to make? - Herd says “We’ll never know. But they were great technical wrestlers and a great Tag Team.” - Conrad says that Tully Blanchard was considered one of the great performers in the business, but after he failed the drug test and then WCW pulled their contract offer, he ended up being finished in the business – although he is back now. - Conrad says a lot of people blame Jim Herd for ending the career of Tully Blanchard. - Jim Herd replies: “Yeah...that’s true. That’s what they say.” - Conrad asks if he thinks it’s true...did he end Tully Blanchard’s career? - Herd says that he got rid of Tully but Tully also got rid of himself, so maybe they got rid of each other. Herd says that some wrestlers think they are smart, but they only look at things from the point of view of being a wrestler, not how the office would look at it and refuse to look at things any other way. - Herd says that some guys in wrestling were good guys. Herd says that Kevin Sullivan is a perfect example, he always used to work behind the scenes trying to help others improve. Herd says he knows he is talking in circles but he hopes Conrad gets what he is trying to say. Herd basically implies that Tully Blanchard was not one of those good guys, and his career ended up being over, because he was not a good guy. - Conrad says: “Speaking of good...you know who was not good? El Gigante.” - Jim Herd says the he remembers that Jorge Gonzales had been an Olympic basketball player from Argentina, so as soon as he signed with WCW, Herd sent him to train with Hiro Matsuda. Herd says that Gonzales really didn’t pick any skills up and if you can’t learn from Hiro Matsuda, you can’t learn from anybody. Herd says that the real problem was that his heart was never in it, he really just wanted to play basketball. Herd says: “George was a really nice guy, but he just didn’t have it. Some people thought he would be the next Andre The Giant, but you just don’t replace Andre The Giant.” - Conrad says he has always wondered if it was actually Jim Herd’s idea to sign El Gigante or was Gonzales forced on Herd by the Turner organization? - Herd says he is willing to admit, he thought the idea would work. Herd says “Geez, the guy was 7 foot 3! I though Matusda would turn him into a wrestler...but we just gave up on it. If your heart isn’t in it, then your head isn’t in it.” - Conrad says the reason he asked is because he was wondering why Jim Herd would be willing to offer a guy like El Gigante a contract while cutting Arn Anderson’s contract at pretty much the same time? Conrad asks if Jim Herd thought El Gigante was more valuable than Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson. - Jim Herd gets a little salty at that question. “Do you want to know the truth? In my opinion, I considered Arn and Tully midcard guys that could support a good show, but I gave no further thought to them. I’m sure Tully would like to hit me over the head for saying that.” - Conrad goes back to the issue of Tully being “a good guy” and asks if he thought Tully failing a cocaine test was a sign that he didn’t have good character. - Herd says “I don’t know. You hear stories about people from everywhere.” - Conrad says he has to ask about Robocop. - Jim Herd groans while Conrad is asking the question and says: “He might have looked good on Television but he didn’t do much good for our outfit.” Herd says the guy in the Robocop outfit was a really nice guy, but the whole thing wasn’t his idea. - Herd says the whole Robocop idea came out of Turner corporate and there were a lot of ideas like that. Herd says the longer he was in WCW, the more guys started to come out of Turner Broadcasting who had no idea about Pro Wrestling but started trying to give him ideas of how to promote different things within Turner on WCW TV. - Conrad asks if that was frustrating. - Herd says it was, that Turner Broadcasting would do things like expect him to have Robocop or the cast of Leave it to Beaver on WCW TV, but when he needed their help “it was like an unwritten rule...we don’t want anything to do with wrestling.” - Conrad says that Eric Bischoff has complained that the Turner organization got “creative” with their accounting and frequently assigned their corporate losses to WCW, while at the same time diverting WCW’s advertising revenue to Turner Television...which gave an inaccurate picture of how much money WCW actually made or lost. Conrad says that a good example of that is that when he researched Jim Herd’s tenure in WCW, he discovered that it was reported that WCW lost six million dollars in 1991...but all their Pay Per View revenue ended up being credited to Turner Home Entertainment, not WCW. - Herd says he doesn’t know anything about that because those kinds of accounting decisions were made above his head. - Jim Herd says that if you go back and look at the overall Turner Sports Package, it always sold better when Pro Wrestling was included than it would if the other sports were included but not Pro Wrestling. Herd says that if you look at the advertising revenue generated when he was in charge of WCW, “the numbers don’t lie.” - Jim Herd says the other thing that doesn’t lie is the television ratings that WCW drew while he was in charge. Although they couldn’t draw big house show numbers, their ratings for The Clash of Champions on TBS were always very good. - Herd says one of the biggest problems WCW had while he was in charge is that they never had a Hulk Hogan. Herd says Hogan was not a good wrestler, but he was a household name and he was an attraction and people would always come out to see him in person...but WCW never had a talent like that who everybody was desperate to see live and in person. - Conrad asks why Jack Petrik picked Jim Herd to run WCW? - Herd says it was because of his experience working with Sam Muchnick and that he knew more about Pro Wrestling than Jack Petrik did, and Petrik knew it. - Conrad says a lot of people think Jim Herd was just some Executive with Pizza Hut who got put in charge of WCW, and that people don’t realize that Herd has a background in TV production and Pro Wrestling. - Herd says he also worked in TV production with the St. Louis Blues and produced over 300 NHL Hockey games as well. Herd says it’s harder to produce live sports than it is Pro Wrestling, because there is no script and you don’t know what is going to happen. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd had the chance to do it all again, would he still go to work for WCW? - Jim Herd says “Oh yes. I’d jump at it.” - Conrad asks if he has one regret about running WCW? - Jim Herd says he wishes he could have worked directly with Ted Turner instead of having to go through Jack Petrik, and that his working relationship with Jack Petrik caused a lot of the problems he had in WCW...but “hindsight is always 20/20.” - Herd says another problem he had in WCW is that he was kind of set up to fail, right from the start. Herd says that when he took over in 1989, Jim Crockett was still in charge of the Pro Wrestling operations in WCW and obviously didn’t want any interference from Jim Herd...but that is what Jim Herd was hired to do. As a result, Crockett didn’t like Herd and probably the talent that were loyal to Crockett didn’t like him either, but Herd had been specifically hired to oversee WCW and Jim Crockett, so he was put on a “collision course” right off the bat. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd still follows Professional Wrestling. - Herd says no, he doesn’t follow it unless he happens to see it on TV or something about it in the newspaper. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd still has any friends from the Pro Wrestling business. - Herd says no, he never really made any lasting friendships in the Pro Wrestling business except for Sam Muchnick, and Muchnick taught him that you can’t really be friends with the talent. - Herd says even he had made any friends they’d probably all be dead by now, just like he will be within the next couple of years, because he’s 88 years old. - Herd says he brought a bunch of memorabilia to give to Conrad, because he has nobody else to give it to, and he’ll be dead soon. - Conrad says he hopes that is not the case. - Conrad asks what Jim Herd thought of Professional Wrestling making it back onto Network Television after all these years, with Smackdown being on Fox. - Herd says he can’t believe it, but he is happy for WWE. Herd says it shows how brilliant Vince McMahon is. Herd says he remembers when Vince got the WWF on Network TV back in the 80’s and how that really changed the game. Herd says that Vince McMahon had vision and really got things done. Herd says he can’t find any fault with anything “Vince Junior” ever did. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd ever actually met or spoke with Vince McMahon Jr? - Jim Herd says he never met him and never spoke with him, but his father was a good friend at the time. - Conrad asks if his opinion of Ric Flair has changed? - Jim Herd says it is a non-starter now, they have no relationship but he was happy to see him on TV the other day, looking well. - Conrad says that interview was probably with Steve Austin. Conrad says coincidentally, Steve Austin got his first National Televison exposure from Jim Herd, as did Mark Calloway who went on to become the Undertaker, and Mick Foley who went on to become Mankind. Conrad says that maybe Jim Herd doesn’t get enough credit for the talent that came into WCW when he was in charge. - Jim Herd says he wishes Ric Flair well, and is glad that Ric is still alive and that he’s still alive too. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd saw the recent documentary about Michael Jordan. - Herd says he has not seen it. - Conrad says that at the end of the documentary, Michael Jordan sits down and watches videos of what his peers and other people have said about him over the years. - Conrad asks if Jim Herd would be interested in doing a project where he sat down with Conrad, and Conrad showed him interviews with all the things various people have said about Jim Herd over the years, and give Herd a chance to respond. - Jim Herd bursts out laughing and says: “Not really! I don’t want to see that! I know what they’re going to say. Whatever they think...they think. All that rolls off me like water off a duck’s back. I couldn’t care less. No thanks! I don’t need it!” Herd seems to find this idea quite funny and is still laughing about it as Conrad wraps up the interview. - Conrad thanks Jim Herd for giving the interview and the two of them are both laughing now, as the interview concludes. ~End of Interview~
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