shoe Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 This is for the Universal title. This has a real big time feel to it. They have a hot crowd. My favorite part of the match was really the opening 10 minutes or so. Colon just destroys the arm. I mean this was textbook working the arm . My arm was hurting watching it. Flair sells it really well during the work, but drops it during his heat segment. It's your typical Flair segment so it's pretty darn good. He starts working over the neck to hurt his breathing. He starts mixing in chops with leg work, knee drops to the Figure 4. Eventually, we start working to the finish. This was well done. Their were a couple of hiccups in this, but overall this was an excellent match. 4 1/4*
AstroBoy Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 I loved this so much and had it up around 4 3/4*. Loved the control segments from both Colon and specifically from Flair. Toward the end it just built and built and sprinkled in enough surprises and nearfalls to really enrich the stretch run.
shoe Posted August 8, 2016 Author Posted August 8, 2016 I can see where you're coming from. The arm work was so good, that it hurt the match for me a bit since in the end it was done to fill time and it didn't have consequences.
Migs Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 I loved this too, but I'm with shoe - some of the selling was a little off. Still, the atmosphere was amazing and the energy was terrific. ****1/4
Matt D Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Not posting my longform reviews to everything but I will on this one: I have a bit of a hard time going back to longer Flair matches after watching Bockwinkel. Therefore, I may not be completely fair with this. There are a few things I want to talk about and they don't do the whole of the match justice, so let me try to get to focus on the big picture first. This was incredibly heated. I think Colon looked excellent in it. His early armwork was varied and aggressive. The fans responded perfectly to him pumping the arm in various hammerlocks and holds. Ritualistic, repetitive, crowd interaction is so huge and doing that (or the repeated pumphandle you see more in Portland) is an easy way to engage them. Was some of his spots with Flair as smooth as you'd get from other opponents? No, but they always recovered well. Nothing seemed flubbed. Flair, especially would be quick to throw in an extra punch on something like the late Sleeper attempt when he didn't quite get around him. It made everything seem grittier and better for the setting. You could tell they made multiple audibles on the finish, but that just made everything more chaotic and emotional. As always, it's frustrating to watch 82 Flair and see the things he dropped from his act later on. Here, the two snake eyes style hotshots were just great and helped to cement a long-in-coming transition into heat. It was also a hugely appropriate use of the King of the Mountain to destroy Colon's momentum. Obviously, in this setting, he wasn't going to take very much of the match, so it was important they came up with a way to definitively let him take over, at least for a little while, to build towards a comeback and finish. Unsurprisingly, my biggest issue with the match was the arm work. It wasn't that Flair didn't sell it between holds as well as someone like Bockwinkel would have. It wasn't JUST that, at least. You can't criticize someone for something no one does. People do sell early matwork better, though, especially when going in and out of it. Once or twice Flair would give a little bit of lip service to it, and that was nice, but it wasn't hardly enough. In this match, it was a problem because it took up so much time, sure, but it was a bigger problem because it created a massive inconsistency. Flair spent ten minutes barely selling an arm as Colon went every which way on it. Then, after one elbow drop to the leg, he spent the rest of the match, more or less, selling his leg. Was that a more important part of the match? Sure, but the inconsistency between the two was frustrating. It took me out of the match because the leg selling didn't feel at all earned in comparison to the ten minutes of offense on the arm we'd just seen that Flair didn't really feel like selling. Two working theories: The first is that Flair simply cares more about selling the leg because that builds into his own offense. He has every interest in making even a few seconds of a figure four reversal matter more because that's his move. It also allows him to do things more visually and take bumps, like the top rope one more believably. That'd interest him more as well. The second is simply that Flair cares far more about the back half of a match than the first. His selling (and by selling, I mean the broader sense of reacting to things) was perfect during the comeback, highlighted by the sunset flip attempt by Colon and his massive desperation in trying to reach the ropes to prevent it or even in Colon starting to punch back and Flair pressing his body against him in the corner to try to stop it. Both attempts were futile but they made the moment seem like so much more. That's valid, but it's not necessarily mutually exclusive. It's the difference between a match that has clear, unrelated act breaks, and one that builds from beginning to end. This was far more the former than the latter. This was still a very good match. I just think it could have been better.
tcg91 Posted September 18, 2024 Posted September 18, 2024 Man, this was so good. It felt like a big deal, with a proper presentation and a red hot crowd. Kudos to them for going 30+ minutes and making (almost) every sequence count. Colon's armwork during the first 10 minutes was remarkable; Flair sold it really well and, contrarily to the David match from a few days before, only stopped remembering about it a lot of minutes after it started. The Flair legwork and use of the figure four ruled, Colon had all the fans behind him when he reversed the hold. His desperation in the slugfest had a great pop, leading to a great and clean finish. This was a few details (and some selling) away from being an absolute classic ***3/4
Superstar Sleeze Posted Tuesday at 10:51 AM Posted Tuesday at 10:51 AM WWC Universal Champion Carlos Colon vs Ric Flair - WWC 10/16/82 Ric Flair is the NWA World Heavyweight Champion but they make it clear that Flair is challenging for Colon’s Universal Title as Colon is billed as “Campeon” and Flair, “Retador”. However I still didn’t expect a clean finish. Excellent Flair title defense! I was really interested to see how Colon fit within the Flair Formula and just how how Colon would work Championship style match. I wish we had more of this style from Colon. Amateur riding to start from Flair but Colon escapes. Colon grabs a hammerlock and basically doesnt let go for 10 minutes. Typically great Flair in how he makes Colon fight through his offense to earn the arm work. Flair tries the chops but Colon wrenches him down with the wristlock. Flair tries to turn it into a track meet but Colin stays disciplined laser focused on the arm. Here comes the Flair roughhousing the knee lifts, the elbows but Colon won’t give up. It takes a well timed Headbutt to the midsection or was it lower Ahhhhh the beauty of pro wrestling to get Colon off his game. Classic Flair rough housing and crowding but he isn’t in there with just any Jamoke this is fiery Carlitos Colon and two fire fights that break out in the corner are just money reminiscent of Garvin and Wahoo! Flair powders! Hell Yeah! Flair is able to go to his old stand by and throw Colon out of the Ring twice to take over. One thing that is unexpected is how much bigger Flair is than Colon. Colon disappears behind Flair at times and we forget how big Flair really is. Hoists Colon up for two snake eyes which was cool. Gutwrench, butterfly, delayed vertical suplexes. Flair’s punches in the corner are so underrated. He crashes down on the knee. When Flair is feeling it, there’s nothing better. Electric. Figure-4. Colon reverses it! Colon Press Slam! Colon FIGURE-4! Dueling Figure-4s. Flair eye rake! Back Suplex! Great organic transition into the piledriver and smashing Colon’s head into the exposed part of the turnbuckle and the post busting him open. Excellent! Flair’s elbows and those rapid fire punches to the open wound on the head are amazing! He has such an underrated punch. He looks unhinged. This is an all time great Flair heat segment. Colon gets a couple babyface hope spots the sunset flip and the crossbody. Flair freaks out and throws him back outside and wants to smash Carlitos head into more steel but ends him tasting steel! I bite on the double Countout here hard. Flair is reeling. MULE KICK BALLSHOT! Ultimate act of desperation. Nobody does it better. You felt like everything was slipping away from Flair and out of desperation he takes the low road! SLEEPER! Colon falls forward! FIRE FIGHT BREAKS OUT! COLON KNOCKDOWNS FLAIR! ROUNDOFF~! PUERTO RICO IS ROCKING! FLAIR FLIP! The crowd believes! Flair double leg…feet on the ropes. Flair argues with the ref. O’Connor Roll 1-2-No! Flair hip toes! BLOCKED! BACKSLIDE 1-2-3! PUERTO RICO AND ME IN BED JUST LOST MY SHIT This had two things going for it that most Flair matches dont the first and biggest they could give us a BIG CLEAN BABYFACE VICTORY In front of the Hometown Crowd because this was for Colon’s title and not Flair’s. Being the 80s I did NOT think we would get one even though it was possible because of it being for Universal Title. That was sick. The other thing is we have very few Flair matches where he is so much bigger than his opponent and those matches are special. He can really manhandle and sink his teeth into a heat segment. I am a massive Flair fan and this is one of his best heat segments of all time. Colon brings that Garvin/Wahoo dimension and kickass stand and bang fire fights. Dueling Figure-4s were great. This should be heralded as one of the all time great Championship Style matches! **** 1/2
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