shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 My pro wrestling HOF or worker or promoters who should be in every wrestling hOF in the world and are not to t my knowing in nay Promotors[ some were work but i know them more as promotor than workers and some should be in as both] Sam MuchnckSalvador lutterroth Roy Shire Ray Mendoza Atsushi Onita Rumi Kazama Jackie Sato Tomohiro Mastunaga Mayumi Ozaki Jim Cockett Sr Hisashi Shima Jim Barrnett Gory Guerrero Sayama Satoru [ he should be in mma HOF's as well for founding shooto] Shohei babaRikidozan Joe Blanchard Peter Maivia Great Kojika ------------------------ Workers [ no one who no one who debuted under 25 years ago ] Joe ActonKarl AbsTom Jenkins Martin burnsAbe Coleman Sorakichi Matsuda Frank Gotch Joe StacherBlack guzman Emilio CharlesGory Guerrero Ciclón VelozEl Santo The Llanes. brothers Diablo Velasco Raul Romero Billy Reilly Francis St. Clair-Gregory Jackie pallo Mick McManus Lou Thez Don Eagle Karloff Lagarde Don Leo Jonathan Rayo de JaliscoPat O'Connor Shin'ichi Mayeshiro Ricky Romero El Nazi Wilbur Snyder La Furia [ i would indct twice once here and once under his team name with one of the people he trained] Gene Kiniski Toshio YamaguchiIrma González Isao Yoshiwara Mario Milano Umenosuke Kiyomigawa Peter Maivia Rene Lasartesse Billy Red Lyons Joe Higuchi El Gladiador Jim BreaksMichiaki Yoshimura Ray Mendoza Toyonobori Johnny Weaver Billy Robinson Yukiko Tomoe Rafael Salamanca Emile Dupre Gene LeBell Miyuki Yanagi Humberto Garza Jacques Rougeau Sr Tibor SzakacsAdrian Street Yasuhiro Kojima Gene Anderson Yukio Suzuki Johnny Saint Masakatsu Tanaka Pat PattersonCiclón Veloz Jr Kintaro OkiDanny HodgeCaballero RojoEl Solitario Antonio InokiDr. Wagner Umanosuke UedaYvon Durelle Kanji Kitazawa Kantaro Hoshino Renato Torres Iwakichi Hirano Motoshi Okuma Saeta AztecaMr. Wrestling Great Kojika Pepe Casas AníbalKotetsu Yamamoto Tsuneharu " Thunder" Sugiyama Tony Salazar El Troyano Tiger Jeet Singh Zeus Isamu Teranishi Jumbo Miyamoto Gran Cochisse Akio "Devil" Murasaki Tomotsugu "Samson" Kutsuwada Shozo "Strong" Kobayashi Sueo"Mighty"Inoue Ole Anderson Aiko Kyo Animal Hamaguchi Bob Roop Daigoro Ogiyama Villano IVillano II Villano III Perro Aguayo Mr. Niebla Dos Caras Akio Sato Mariko Akagi Sergio el Hermoso Otto Wanz Tatsumi Fujinami Asesino Negro Kuniaki Kobayashi Mitsuo"Rocky" Hata El Canek Kengo Kimura Ryuma Go Sangre Chicana El Soberano Mach Fumiake Mile ZrnoEl Dinámico #1Dave Finlay Riki Choshu El Jalisco Shinobu Aso Masanobu FuchiDynamite Kid Black Terry Negro NavarroJackie Sato Mami KumanoEl Conde Negro Maki Ueda Yumi IkeshitaVictoria Fujimi Nancy Kumi Gen'ichiro Tenryu Mach Hayato Rey Misterio Mark"Rollerball"Rocc/Black TigerEl Supremo Bad News Allen La Fiera Lucy KayamaRimi "Jagur" Yokota Mimi Hagiwara Tomi Aoyama Gran Markus Jr. Joe Malenko HakuAyumi "jumbo" Hori Chris Adams Davey Boy Smith Ashura Hara Devil Masami Máscara SagradaMS-1 Fuerza Guerrera Rossy Moreno Stuka Nobuyoshi "Apollo"Sugawara Mocho Cota Steve Williams Shiro Koshinaka Pirata Morgan Monster Ripper Villano IV Chigusa Nagayo Crane YuuAndre Baker Brad Rheingans Angel AztecaKaoru "Dump" Matsumoto Emilio Charles Jr. Itsuki Yamazaki Lioness Asuka Norio HonagaYukari Omori Yoshiaki Yatsu Mitsuharu Misawa Nobuhiko Takada Shunji Takano Noriyo Tateno El Hijo del Santo Atsuo"Poison JULIE"Sawada Toshiaki KawadaKazuo Yamazaki Felino Damián 666Atlantis Dan Kroffat Bestia Salvaje Keiko"Bull" Nakano Mika KomatsuYumi Ogura MasakreWilliam Regal Robby Brookside Esther MorenoJushin Thunder Liger Masahiro Chono Keji Muto Kazue Nagahori Black Warrior Akira Nogami Kaoru Kage Drill Nakamae Akira Hokuto Arkángel de la Muerte Masakatsu FunakiYoshinari Ogawa Suzuka MinamiKyoko Inoue Mitsuko Nishiwaki Yumiko Hotta Yuko Miyato Yoji Anjo Universo Dos Mil Yasuko Ishiguro Aja Kong Black Tiger Nobuko"Bison"KimuraNoriyo"Combat"Toyoda Cutie Suzuki La Diabólica Doug Furnas Dynamite Kansai Tomoko"Eagle"Sawai Harley Saito Johnny Ace Kaoru Maeda Kensuke Sasaki Lady Apache Mayumi Ozaki Megumi Kudo Norman Smiley Owen Hart Rumi Kazama Xóchitl Hamada Virus Fantasma de la Quebrada Konnan [ also a s |Booker]Manami Toyota Mima Shimoda Toshiyo Yamada Ultimo Dragon Akira TaueGary Albright Kenta Kobashi Heavy Metal Koki Kitahara Takako Inoue Reggie Bennett Tsuyoshi Kikuchi Jado Gedo Kiyoshi Tamura Sakie Hasegawa Miwa Sato Eriko"Shark" Tsuchiya Tomoko Watanabe Yasha Kurenai Victor Zangiev Yoshika"Crusher"Maedomari Debbie Malenko Rie"Bad Nurse " Nakamura Drake Morimatsu Hikari Fukuoka Koji Kanemoto Mayumi Shimizu Command Bolshoi Dick Togo Cerebro Negro Chikako Shiratori Hiroyoshi TenzanMitsuya Nagai Osamu NishimuraRie Tamada Volk Han Zaza Grom TAKA Michinoku Andrei Kopilov Chaparrita ASARI Tomoko"Candy"Okutsu Dan Severn Cibernético Emi Koizumi Héctor Garza Kaz Hayashi MEN's Teio Manabu Nakanishi Yoshihiro TakayamaYuji NagataYuka ShiinaYuki Ishikawa Daisuke Ikeda Kazushi Sakuraba Shigeo Okumura Tariel Bitsadze Tamon Honda Michael Kovac Gran Naniwa Antifaz del NorteCarl Greco --------------------------------------will unptate once i year casue as is aid will not inuding people who debuted under 25 years ago its alos based on year of debut that will explain the the odd order to most ------------------------------ iv been meaning to post this a while but could not find a place ot post this os decided ot post my own topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Joe Acton Sorry, I really have nothing to add, but I did a quick search for him and I'm a big Catch Wrestling fan, but I honestly haven't even heard of this guy before. I don't even think there's footage of him available. Edit: Also you maybe trolling and I feel for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Joe Acton Sorry... explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 No Vince McMahon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 No Vince McMahon? i rate promotors who bulit from Nothing more like all the ones i listed did any comments on the wreslters section also take in to account i made my HOF out of people who are Most HOFs in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 No Vince McMahon? i rate promotors who bulit from Nothing more like all the ones i listed did any comments on the wreslters section also take in to account i made my HOF out of people who are Most HOFs in the world Plenty, but if you don't think Vince McMahon is worthy of being in a wrestling Hall of Fame then what's the point? Andre Baker FFS! Yeah, cause Hammerlock left such an indelible mark on the world of professional wrestling! I reckon Edwin might be right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair? You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies... Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair? You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies... Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)... this is based on people who i think should be in HOF's who are not im not trolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 No Vince McMahon? i rate promotors who bulit from Nothing more like all the ones i listed did any comments on the wreslters section also take in to account i made my HOF out of people who are Most HOFs in the world Plenty, but if you don't think Vince McMahon is worthy of being in a wrestling Hall of Fame then what's the point? Andre Baker FFS! Yeah, cause Hammerlock left such an indelible mark on the world of professional wrestling! I reckon Edwin might be right... baker was a trainer of many people who ar seen as top talent devvit for one and on my not trolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair? You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies... Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)... this is based on people who i think should be in HOF's who are not im not trolling OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being inducteed into a HOF of any type? Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies? Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders. I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter, it's pointless, you're trolling and I'm falling for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair? You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies... Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)... this is based on people who i think should be in HOF's who are not im not trolling OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being into a HOF of any type? Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies? Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders. I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter and it's pointless. he does more than alot of people hwo are in the WWE HOF ie helping find promotions that ran for 20 years that i longer than Post NWA WCW 1992-2001 and hes a hard long Carere too he main evete at a historic arena still to this day since in Japan one show a year is staduim show that ha sbeen mosylt true for the past 15 years wrestling has a mioanly been an arean sport and you canot call ddt as small promotion its the 3 rd or 4th biggest promotion in Japan and has made more money than TNA eve has but TNA has been called the 2nd biggest promotion in the world selling out Ryugoku un paperd legit sellout like DDT does mean DDT sell more tickets than all us promotion oputside of wwe or any event [ also i not the biggest DDT fan going] any other issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Finally, someone who realizes that Negro Casas was actually the least talented of the Casas brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 As it's already been stated, the WWE HOF is a joke in the opinion of many fans. What "historic arena" did Sawada headline? Korakuen Hall? DDT has monthly events there, not once a year... DDT was/is/has been a relatively small indy until recent years and he's not a headliner there now, nor has he been a headliner there in years. When he was headlining there was when they were at some of their lowest points. Also, he was pretty bad in the ring despite that... DDT is booming now and he has nothing to do with it. Also please list all of the must see Joe Acton matches that you have seen that we have to watch... And this is my last reply as you're obviously trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Shark Tsushiya was the drizzling shit. And really, I have a soft spot for Bad Nurse Nakamura, but no Megumi Kudo ? Come on, be real now... I guess you were an LLPW fan, but Yasha Kurenai ? Come on now. And damn, I haven't seen the name Yumi Ogura since, like, ever ! I seem to remember she was quite a good little worker. And those awful luchadoras like Xochilt Hamada & Esther Moreno, but no Ayako ? Yeah, no logic at all, this is random as fuck ! Bitsadze Tariel ? Like, one of the worst guy I've ever seen, anywhere in any context... Still, I'd have loved to have you during the GWE poll. At least it would have brought some variety. And Parv would have gone insane too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair? You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies... Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)... this is based on people who i think should be in HOF's who are not im not trolling OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being into a HOF of any type? Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies? Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders. I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter and it's pointless. he does more than alot of people hwo are in the WWE HOF ie helping find promotions that ran for 20 years that i longer than Post NWA WCW 1992-2001 and hes a hard long Carere too he main evete at a historic arena still to this day since in Japan one show a year is staduim show that ha sbeen mosylt true for the past 15 years wrestling has a mioanly been an arean sport and you canot call ddt as small promotion its the 3 rd or 4th biggest promotion in Japan and has made more money than TNA eve has but TNA has been called the 2nd biggest promotion in the world selling out Ryugoku un paperd legit sellout like DDT does mean DDT sell more tickets than all us promotion oputside of wwe or any event [ also i not the biggest DDT fan going] any other issues As it's already been stated, the WWE HOF is a joke in the opinion of many fans. What "historic arena" did he headline? Korakuen Hall? DDT has monthly events there, not once a year... DDT was/is/has been a relatively small indy until recent years and he's not a headliner there now, nor has he been a headliner there in years. When he was headlining there was when they were at some of their lowest points. Also, he was pretty bad in the ring despite that... DDT is booming now and he has nothing to do with it. DDT sell out the Ryogoku sumo hall once per year also as i said im not ddt fan or at lest of there any promotion for the mopst part i huge fan of TJP though he was one of the founders though and also on your acton comment, there are alot of people in BOTH PWHOF WON HOF who have very Limiated ot no footage of think ogany one list who debaue tv was thing or alike as purely historical picks like alot of hofs have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 You totally ignored my response, but OK... Also, Sawada has never been influential/headlined a DDT card that has sold out Sumo Hall... His involvement has been in throwaway matches no one pays to see on those cards. And namedropping TJP for no reason? Yeah, you're obviously trolling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Shark Tsushiya was the drizzling shit. And really, I have a soft spot for Bad Nurse Nakamura, but no Megumi Kudo ? Come on, be real now... I guess you were an LLPW fan, but Yasha Kurenai ? Come on now. And damn, I haven't seen the name Yumi Ogura since, like, ever ! I seem to remember she was quite a good little worker. And those awful luchadoras like Xochilt Hamada & Esther Moreno, but no Ayako ? Yeah, no logic at all, this is random as fuck ! Bitsadze Tariel ? Like, one of the worst guy I've ever seen, anywhere in any context... Still, I'd have loved to have you during the GWE poll. At least it would have brought some variety. And Parv would have gone insane too. no kudo was legit oversight from me i though i put her in and yes LLPW is very good i have my issue with GWE and yes i listen ot all the podcasts on the subject my issues come from how i Judge worker in compare to people like Parv and like i Judge based on realism technique execution and work rate above all hence why realistic strikers like traiel are highly regarded by me abd cuse of how i rate things i odnt see how people like lawlor are so highly rated by alot of people among others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 You totally ignored my response, but OK... Also, Sawada has never been influential/headlined a DDT card that has sold out Sumo Hall... His involvement has been in throwaway matches no one pays to see on those cards. And namedropping TJP for no reason? Yeah, you're obviously trolling... how did i ignore you any other issues that you have are welcomed and i answer all you issues in one post also responded previous comments about acton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 If someone offered me a 20 disc flair comp vs. 20 disc Poison Sawada comp I'd take the Sawada in a heartbeat. Japanese indy sleaze is underrated... plus, if you can make a career out of a poison gimmick, including getting turned into a statue, you are in every way a qualified pro wrestling genius. What did Michael Kovac do to earn your respect? Is it from his matches in BattlARTS? Also, what do you think of Hidetaka Aso? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 If someone offered me a 20 disc flair comp vs. 20 disc Poison Sawada comp I'd take the Sawada in a heartbeat. Japanese indy sleaze is underrated... plus, if you can make a career out of a poison gimmick, including getting turned into a statue, you are in every way a qualified pro wrestling genius. What did Michael Kovac do to earn your respect? Is it from his matches in BattlARTS? Also, what do you think of Hidetaka Aso? I was a big fan of the Japanese indys as I posted in the that other thread on here some while ago, but Sawada just seems like a random answer specially when guys like Tarzan Goto, Hayabusa, etc. would be more willing candidates than him. Did Hidetaka Aso ever do pro-wrestling? I'm not sure if he ever did. He's in the list of grapplers who never did pro-wrestling, but I think would've been fantastic had they chosen to like Rumina Sato, Hideo Tokoro and Masakazu Imanari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 aso would n be is in as a Trainer Much like Valasco and Reyes are and like sayama id put him in an mma HOF ot for hois founding of SAW Goto and Hayabusa will be added next year i update with once a year @ grizzlyedwinyour acton comments wil be answrd by this like say the WON HOF and eevn the PWHOF there are people in this hypothetical hof that very little ot no footage of there is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenjo Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 i Judge based on realism technique execution and work rate above all Yoshika"Crusher"Maedomari I actually would agree with Drill Nakamae though. How could you not love the name Drill? Zeus had the worst match of all time so is a natural pick. There's people on there I can't even imagine why anyone would like seriously or ironically. Yuka Shiina??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yoshika"Crusher"Maedomari I actually would agree with Drill Nakamae though. How could you not love the name Drill? Zeus had the worst match of all time so is a natural pick. There's people on there I can't even imagine why anyone would like seriously or ironically. Yuka Shiina??? i think she was good and crusher like all fmw women pushed womens wrestling forward that is irrespective of my views on Hardcore wrestling that show how unbiased this is and i know missing Kudo off was oversite on my part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Guys, this stuff is fun and interesting and there hasn't been an overwhelming amount of activity on the main forum lately, why in god's name would someone put that much work into a list just to troll. If it's trolling I say bravo, keep trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 "Tiger Jeet Singh" "i Judge based on realism technique execution and work rate above all" hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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