Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Distraught by the results of December to Dismember, ECW Representative Paul Heyman appeared to be distant and depressed this afternoon at the North Charleston Coliseum hours before an ECW live event. This condition was further exasperated by Mr. McMahon, who decided to send Heyman home. The WWE Chairman cited slumping television ratings and a disgruntled talent roster as causes for Mr. Heyman’s dismissal. Check back to ECW.com for updates on the status on Paul Heyman and ECW. I will be shocked if this isn't a worked shoot and it's their venting of their feelings towards Heyman. In fact, I fully expect Heyman to be sent home for real very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'm taking this as a shoot. My question at this point isn't why they keep sending him home. It's why they keep asking him back. And also why he keeps accepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 They keep asking him back because they panic and they try anything when that happens. He keeps coming back because he can't stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 PWInsider is saying Heyman really has been let go and this is the worked version of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 In a bizarre way, I want him to go to TNA so he can be locked in a boiler room with a bottle of whiskey, Jim Cornette and Vince Russo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I think PWInsider are being worked or the wrestlers are buying into it being a shoot, because there is no way WWE would release Heyman and let him go on his merry way to TNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Was Heyman even under contract though? Wasn't there a time when he wasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I think he signed something long term late last year after signing a series of short term deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 More from Mike Johnson: Paul Heyman was sent home from today's Monday Night Raw/ECW taping in North Carolina following a meeting with Vince McMahon. We are still working on the story, but the word going around is that Heyman has been removed from the WWE's ECW creative team and looks to be entirely done with WWE at this point and time, although he's not (yet) been released from his contractual obligations. According to one source, Heyman had a meeting with Vince McMahon and was then escorted from the venue. There is a meeting ongoing currently with ECW talents about Heyman's departure. World Wrestling Entertainment posted an article on their website, noting that Heyman was sent home (but not released), citing, "The WWE Chairman cited slumping television ratings and a disgruntled talent roster as causes for Mr. Heyman’s dismissal." PWInsider.com will have more on the story shortly, but at this point and time, tomorrow's episode of ECW on SciFi looks to be the first produced without the input of Paul Heyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 It keeps coming: As Mike reported a few minutes ago, Paul Heyman is gone from WWE. From talking to a number of people in company, the impression I received was that Vince McMahon was irate about how awful the PPV was last night and wanted to pin the blame on Heyman for it. Anyone who knows anything about Heyman's booking, as I have for years now, have a pretty good idea that the show was much more McMahon than Heyman. But according to people I spoke with, Heyman got pinned with the blame for it with the theory being that "he is caught in the past and doesn't understand the new vision of ECW". You know, the vision that ends PPVs a half hour early and makes the fans boo what WWE creative books for them. The problems started yesterday at the ECW PPV when everyone realized that the show really stunk. Heyman was said to be unhappy with the way that the show was booked (big shock right) and sources backstage told me that he voiced that concern both before the show and after it. People at TV told me today that it was obvious that there were issues between Vince McMahon and Heyman because of the how the show played out on pay TV, with everyone knowing it was a disaster. Problems carried over from last night and led to the incidents that happened today. A number of sources told me that there was a meeting today around two o'clock with Heyman, Vince McMahon and Stephanie McMahon-Levesque at the building. Heyman came out the meeting and seemed like his normal self, with no one I talked to having any idea that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, Heyman gathered his things and left the building to go home. The word going around from everyone I talked to is that this is not a storyline in any way and he is legitimately done with the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 From Wade Keller: Paul Heyman was sent home from today's scheduled ECW TV taping and has been officially "dismissed" from WWE by Vince McMahon. This is not an angle. Heyman is already on a plane on his way home. Heyman had a meeting today that included Vince McMahon in which he apparently expressed disappointment with the product. The product that aired on PPV was different than that which was originally booked by Heyman and submitted to McMahon. There were last second changes in the show that frustrated Heyman. More to come... It's either real or a very convincing work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well, when the only two people ECW fans give a shit about are the first two eliminated in the main event, and they're forced to sit there for ten minutes watching four people they could give fuck all about, and you blame the guy who said "If you do that the crowd's going to shit on it", I wouldn't have waited to be fired. I'd have gone home voluntarily and collected my paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you go home voluntarily, you don't collect your paycheck... but I agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The fact that Meltzer has yet to come out and say this is legit makes me wonder if this is all an elaborate work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I agree. PWInsider is a propaganda website for Paul Heyman most of the time, and Keller has a tendency to re-word stories that other people break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Nah, Meltzer's probably just leaving all the juicy details for this week's Observer. Really what would the point be of it being an elaborate work? It just further destroys the roster's morale and pisses off the few remaining ECW loyalists, at a time when they can ill afford to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Seems like an odd work though, considering the wwe.com preview for tonight's ECW already had Paul Heyman exercising the Big Show's rematch clause. Why imply heyman's part of the story if this is all an angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The thought occurs to me. Heyman's promo before the EC where he said "Even when I'm gone, ECW will live on." Makes me think one of two things. Either A) it's a work or Heyman decided to tell Vince exactly what he thought, expecting to get fired over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Nah, Meltzer's probably just leaving all the juicy details for this week's Observer. The reality is he's probably waiting to hear more before saying it's one thing or the other. Unlike Keller or Scherer, Meltzer tends to wait until he's heard more of the story before making any statements rather than rushing out rumor or hurriedly gathered word-of-mouth in an attempt to be the first to break the story. The thought occurs to me. Heyman's promo before the EC where he said "Even when I'm gone, ECW will live on." Makes me think one of two things. Either A) it's a work or B ) Heyman decided to tell Vince exactly what he thought, expecting to get fired over it. It's probably B to an extent. Heyman had to know, and had to have known for a while, that his number is up. He might not have decided to tell Vince exactly what he thought, but he probably knew he was going home very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Wade Keller is saying it was Vince's call to only promote two matches ahead of time so as to focus the hype on those matches. However, Bryan Alvarez is saying that EVERYTHING on D2D, as well as the decision to promote just the two matches, is down to Heyman and he's been in complete spin mode since Sunday night. I can see both McMahon and Heyman deciding to only promote two matches, but it make ZERO sense for Heyman to intentionally write a PPV as wretched as December to Dismember. The only way that makes sense is if he knew he was being sent home and decided to write a shitty PPV because he felt he had nothing to lose. Even then it's stupid, but otherwise why intentionally write a PPV that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Nah, Meltzer's probably just leaving all the juicy details for this week's Observer. The reality is he's probably waiting to hear more before saying it's one thing or the other. Unlike Keller or Scherer, Meltzer tends to wait until he's heard more of the story before making any statements rather than rushing out rumor or hurriedly gathered word-of-mouth in an attempt to be the first to break the story. I'm sure Meltzer didn't know for sure whether it was a work or a shoot when the story broke, but I'm sure he knows better by now and he still hasn't updated his original story, which does lead credence to my belief that he's holding stuff back for the newsletter. Speaking of Keller and Scherer, the last time people were laughing about them reporting that a story was a shoot too quickly was over the backstage fight between Booker and Batista, and that time they were right and Meltzer was wrong when he strongly suggested it was just an elaborate angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Nah, Meltzer's probably just leaving all the juicy details for this week's Observer. The reality is he's probably waiting to hear more before saying it's one thing or the other. Unlike Keller or Scherer, Meltzer tends to wait until he's heard more of the story before making any statements rather than rushing out rumor or hurriedly gathered word-of-mouth in an attempt to be the first to break the story. I'm sure Meltzer didn't know for sure whether it was a work or a shoot when the story broke, but I'm sure he knows better by now and he still hasn't updated his original story, which does lead credence to my belief that he's holding stuff back for the newsletter. Speaking of Keller and Scherer, the last time people were laughing about them reporting that a story was a shoot too quickly was over the backstage fight between Booker and Batista and that time they were right and Meltzer was wrong when he strongly suggested it was just an elaborate angle. Let's wait for his next daily update to see what he says. The difference between Keller and Scherer and Meltzer is that the first two will state something as a fact even if they're don't know or aren't sure it really is a fact. Meltzer rarely paints himself into such a corner and will make it clear he's speculating and doesn't know for sure either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 --Obviously the Paul Heyman situation is something that is going to require a major feature, but there is a lot that is out on the story that isn't correct. The story is not a work in the sense that Heyman was sent home, and the WWE web site reactions actually read like honest reactions. Everything reads on the web site as if it's storyline, and tonight with the Heyman promos, for those who are convinced it is, you'll have more ammunition. Except it's not. It was inevitable, for the same reasons it was inevitable that Heyman's previous runs in creative ended. There are two different ideas of what the business is, and the idea of the guy who owns the company will always win out at the end. Same old story then but with a WWE.com twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Meltz's update read like Dave feeling like he needed to address the situation without really knowing 100% what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTQ Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Meltz's update read like Dave feeling like he needed to address the situation without really knowing 100% what is going on. I doubt anybody knows even 50% of what is going on. You've got every possible reaction flying around, with some people claiming it's a work, some claiming it's all real, and some saying it's a bit of both. It probably is a bit of both, but the specifics are a mess because everyone involved is busy spinning their own version of the truth, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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