AEW Dynamite - October 28, 2020

[El-P]

(EDIT : bigger fish to fry than to expose a goof on a pro-wrestling board. Lockdown + people getting beheaded/getting theirs throats slit by religious zealots seemingly every week now = me not in the mood anymore)

[rovert]

So you can't back up your baseless rambling then?

[El-P]

50 minutes ago, rovert said:

So you can't back up your baseless rambling then?

Yes, but I don't give a flying fuck anymore now that I just seen that three people got their throat slit by yet another islamist terrorist this morning. A beheaded teacher the other week, now this, and probably more to come, sorry if I don't feel in the mood anymore to play around with you on the board.

But since you mention it, saying that "People in the Middle East go wild on a bare ankle because porn is banned" is dumb as fuck. They use VPN. But whatever, I *really* don't care about any of this at this point. Things are really too depressing IRL to be bothered by this. Have fun.

[rovert]

So nothing that actually disputes what I said then.

Big fan of the main event last night. But the show overall felt very taped between the crowd noise and they predictability the match outcomes.

 

[El-P]

24 minutes ago, rovert said:

So nothing that actually disputes what I said then.

How can you be so dense on purpose ?

Your post about "people in the Middle-East going wild on a bare ankle because porn is banned" is both dumb as fuck, because they use VPN to counter the bans (I should know, I Iived in one of those countries and learned what a VPN was over there) and really patronizing and borderline racist, really. That was basically the jist of my edited post. But since you apparently can't let go and have to try and put yourself over at every turn, there you go.

I can see why you got banned from multiple boards before, including this one a few years ago.

[rovert]

The fact they need a VPN proves my point. 

Please stay on topic also.

[El-P]

5 minutes ago, rovert said:

The fact they need a VPN proves my point. 

Actually, it does the opposite. Because they don't need to watch anything other than porn if they want to watch porn. So yeah, you are dense on purpose.

5 minutes ago, rovert said:

Please stay on topic also.

Yeah, you wouldn't want me to expose you making a borderline racist remark.

[rovert]

Please stop. 

A lot of innocuous Women's Wrestling have 10s of millions of views as they are displaying bare flesh. I don't know how that is "borderline racist" or controversial. Lots of indie promoters are overt in saying so. It has covered the venue hire and more when Youtube's monetisation was really lucrative for Pro Wrestling 4-5 years ago. 

[El-P]

7 minutes ago, rovert said:

I don't know how that is racist or controversial.

"And in various parts of the World (Middle East) Porn is banned so they go wild Pro Wrestling or a bare ankle."

The bolded part is at best super patronizing and condescending, at worst borderline racist. If you don't understand why or pretend to don't understand why, I can do nothing for you.

[El-P]

And yeah, I will stop now, not because you ask me to (because you're not a mod, you're a formerly banned member on this board) but because real life today is amazingly shitty and there's much bigger issues than your bullshit.

Back to AEW talk, people.

[rovert]

7 minutes ago, El-P said:

And yeah, I will stop now, not because you ask me to (because you're not a mod, you're a formerly banned member on this board) but because real life today is amazingly shitty and there's much bigger issues than your bullshit.

Back to AEW talk, people.

I was banned as I said Balor before he joined WWE that he was really respected in Pro Wrestling (which was and still is true) and as an especially cranky Good Helmet got mad as he didn't like him.

Please stop fighting and flipping out over minor and actually true things. Ask any indie promoter where the views from Women's and especially Intergender Wrestling come from, why and what gets written in the comments section.

[El-P]

10 minutes ago, rovert said:

I was banned as I said Balor before he joined WWE that he was really respected in Pro Wrestling (which was and still is true) and as an especially cranky Good Helmet got mad as he didn't like him.

No, you were banned because you were bashing and insulting people from the board on Twitter. Hell, there's still a thread somewhere about this whole debacle. Incredible that five years later you still try to twist shit up and slip in a "Hey, look at me I was RIGHT ! I'm so connected !" promo.   Well at least now you actually get me to laugh, so that's a positive I guess.

[NintendoLogic]

Anyway...

I checked out Page/Wardlow. There were a couple of times when Wardlow looked awkward getting into position for the planned spot, but it was a good piece of business overall. I also got a kick out of when Wardlow threw Page into the corner and Aubrey Edwards had to scramble to get out of the way. I don't think I've ever seen a shoot ref bump before.

[rovert]

11 minutes ago, El-P said:

No, you were banned because you were bashing and insulting people from the board on Twitter. Hell, there's still a thread somewhere about this whole debacle. Incredible that five years later you still try to twist shit up and slip in a "Hey, look at me I was RIGHT ! I'm so connected !" promo.   Well at least now you actually get me to laugh, so that's a positive I guess.

That was used to justify the ban as the mods didn't want to reverse Good Helmet's flippant decision and go against him. Again please move on, stop fighting and post on topic. You've derailed the thread for a page now.

9 minutes ago, NintendoLogic said:

Anyway...

I checked out Page/Wardlow. There were a couple of times when Wardlow looked awkward getting into position for the planned spot, but it was a good piece of business overall. I also got a kick out of when Wardlow threw Page into the corner and Aubrey Edwards had to scramble to get out of the way. I don't think I've ever seen a shoot ref bump before.

What happens when you only wrestle 14 times a year in largely short matches, unfortunately. Surprised how well TV wrestlers have held up, in general, this year. AEW had planned to run house shows by now. I think 2-3 shows every second weekend.

[El-P]

15 minutes ago, rovert said:

That was used to justify the ban as the mods didn't want to reverse Good Helmet's flippant decision and go against him.

Holy shit you're so delusional.

15 minutes ago, rovert said:

Again please move on, stop fighting and post on topic. You've derailed the thread for a page now.

Actually :

42 minutes ago, El-P said:

And yeah, I will stop now, not because you ask me to (because you're not a mod, you're a formerly banned member on this board) but because real life today is amazingly shitty and there's much bigger issues than your bullshit.

Back to AEW talk, people.

And yet you *still* kept on with the bullshit. So there. Exposed. Again.

Back to AEW people.

[GSR]

I thought El-P had put rovert on ignore?

Draw a line under it, this is tedious and boring for everyone else (and probably both of you too).

[Laz]

Holy shit, Leyla is signed to AEW now? Good on her. She impressed me a ton from her early days in CZW, and I admittedly haven't watched a whole lot of her work. 

[Stiva]

I’ll echo what others have said about the Bucks and their insistence on thinking they’re more intelligent than they are getting in the way of things again. I will say that it’s more bearable than their attempts to be funny but if a match ever needed a simple build, it’s The Bucks vs FTR. If this thing had a crowd, nobody would know who to get behind.

Dug the two tournament matches again, even if Kenny Omega’s facial expressions are somehow even worse as a heel. Wardlow still isn’t the polished article but he and Page put together a nice little match that kept both strong. 

Nyla/Shida again on PPV is the very definition of panic booking to get the women on the card. They’re really struggling for the lack of a second show, even if they are starting to run angles on Dark and reference them on TV. 

Moxley/Kingston is doing it for me though. Two good talkers talking at each other, a personal feud referencing personal histories leading to a bloody PPV main event. Full Gear looks like a solid show, top to bottom but I wish Cody vs Darby had more than one week of build behind it, especially since it feels like Darby has to win to transition to the feud with Starks for the title 

[El-P]

1 hour ago, Stiva said:

Nyla/Shida again on PPV is the very definition of panic booking to get the women on the card. They’re really struggling for the lack of a second show, even if they are starting to run angles on Dark and reference them on TV. 

To me it's not a matter of a lack of time at all. It's a matter of lack of good booking, and hell, sometimes a lack of just plain booking. Look at what IMPACT does with its women roster. Granted, it's overall much stronger in both talent and characters, but still. The women are basically equal as men as far as importance on the show. Taya, Purrazzo, Jordynne Grace, Rosemary, Kylie (when she was there), Su Yung and now Dashwood (they struggled with her, but they found the right gimmick now with the influencer) are top characters on the show and they are featured every week in matches/angles/vignettes. They take someone from the indies in Kimber Lee and in a matter of a few weeks, she's integrated into the storylines. Same for Tasha Steelz. They always are in the mix both in midcard level and at the top of the card.

AEW, well. Shida is the champ but you can go weeks without her doing anything. No angles to speak of. Nyla is the N°1 challenger, gets a manager (who BTW brings nothing at all to the table, she actualy detracts from Nyla's to me because she reeks of mid-00's WWE, which is the last thing I want to think about when I watch AEW. Wanna manager ? Use Veda Scott !) and then spends two months in the crowd alongside Dark enhancement talents. Why is she getting a title shit on PPV now when Baker has been killing girls every week and looks really good doing it (I don't quite understand how she looks better in the ring coming back from injury, but good for her) ?  Speaking Dark, there are plenty of women you can use there, Kylinn King for once (they seemed to give Red Velvet some attention, good, but keep it up now), just throws them on Dynamite, give them characters and small angles. Instead, the featured talent seem to go through a revolving door : Penelope Ford was getting hot (pun intended) and then she's basically back in the background of Miro & Sabian. Allie is even worse, that girl should be in the mix at the top or at the very least in a big-ass angle, she's a great character who can work both bitch heel or cool babyface. She went from being the Bunny (which is cool but let her WORK too) to the QT angle which was going well and evolved into the Nightmare Sisters which got confusing as Brandi kinda took the heel role, now she's back to being the Bunny which basically gets her in the background again. Then you have the Big Swole push, who gave us the worst feud in AEW thus far. So yeah, basically, the booking of the women is simply not very good and kinda comes off like an afterthough. Thunder Rosa showing up was so cool, get her BACK (she's so wasted in nothing-happening-NWA land). Let Ivelisse punch some bitch in the face. I dunno, push Serena Deeb as a grumpy veteran and give her a run. When is Shanna back already ?

So yeah, after one year of Dynamite,  there's no twisting around the fact AEW has not done a very good job booking their women division thus far. On the positive side, it can only improve as the talent will also gain experience (Penelope & Baker have improved quite a bit during the year on every level).