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See, that's not a Martial Arts fight. That's two morons with no style taking turns hitting each other in the head. Anybody could do that. All that proved is that either it was worked (which with PRIDE is always a possibility...especially if a Japanese Fan Favorite is involved) or that both of them have really thick skulls and are hard to knock out. That was basically like early UFC...two untrained people with no technique clobbering each other. If you're going to talk about a probably worked PRIDE slugfest involving Frye, at least go with his match against Shamrock at PRIDE 19. At least that one had some leglocks and whatnot, instead of non-stop blows to the head. If you want a real MMA fight...with skill and technique, see Carlos Newton vs. Sakuraba from PRIDE 3 (6/24/1998) for an example.

I found his series with Sabin in TNA to be pretty damn cool. Other than that, I found him to be rather blah.

Nicely done, Sek. I actually laughed out loud at that one.

I was a hardcore TNA mark for quite some time. When they got the IMPACT slot on FSN, I stopped ordering the weekly PPV's, because I wasn't interested in paying ten bucks a week to hear ads for a show I couldn't see. (My satellite provider doesn't carry FSN.) Now that they're coming to Spike, I decided to give them another shot. Here's my 2.5 cents on the show... Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt & Shark Boy vs. Simon Diamond, Elix Skipper & David Young Holy CRAP. When I last saw David Young, he was doing some losing streak gimmick, and he had a big pot belly. He has apparently started the Triple H workout program (insert needle in your ass 3 to 5 times a week...repeat) and he is some buffed up. Also, when I was watching, Skipper was getting a push, and that seems to have died. Also, Simon Diamond was called "Irish" Pat Kenney. Things have changed. I admit that the Shark Boy gimmick makes me laugh, so I liked this match. It was a quick, inoffensive opener. Nothing spectacular, but too short to be bad. Sabin pins Skipper for the win, and afterward Simon Diamond and Skipper get into a heated argument. Alex Shelley vs. Shocker This was my first exposure to either guy, and I was impressed. Shocker seems to be pretty damn good on the mat, especially with inventive submissions. These guys are apparently 1-1 against each other...Shocker beat Shelley at the last PPV, but Shelley beat Shocker in the Super X Cup Tournament. This was a solid match, good mat wrestling, nice back and forth action. This match alone was better than anything I saw on the GAB. Shelley wins. Abyss with James Mitchell vs. Lance Hoyt James Mitchell is GOLD on the mic...GOLD I tell you. He's perfect to be teamed with Abyss. Hoyt is CRAZY over with these people. Last time I saw him, his name was Dallas and he was teamed with Kid Kash. This started off as your standard big man match...and then kicked it up a notch for the last few minutes, right when I assumed it was over! A very good match which surprised me considering the participants. Abyss goes over but needs two Black Hole Slams to do it. He looks great, he's dropped some weight and got some new ring attire. This match had about three HOLY SHIT spots in the closing moments, most notably a Van Terminatior from Hoyt! These guys in TNA are really using the smaller 6 Sided Ring to their advantage. Kip James & Monty Brown vs. Konnan & Ron "The Truth" Killings This was the worst match of the night, but at least it had the whole "who will the Road Dogg side with... 3LK or Billy Gunn" angle going in. They did a great job of reviewing the whole angle before the match for those of us who hadn't seen it. Gunn looked motivated here believe it or not, and was actually very funny playing the over the top heel. Monty Brown looked bored. Killings looked good, and Konan (new spelling I see) looked injured. 3LK wins with help from the D-O-double-G. Meh. I've seen worse. Christopher Daniels vs. Austin Aries Apparently Aries won some fan poll online to get this match. He was pretty good, nothing spectacular, but not the usual independant spot-fu I've come to expect from a lot of these generic indy guys. Man, Daniels is good. His facial expressions and ability to play to the crowd is just out there. The fans were into this match HUGE with dueling chants. Daniels wins. Solid match. Sean Waltman vs. Jerry Lynn Once again, TNA does a great job of hyping this match and telling everybody the history between both guys...including clips of them fighting in Global 13 years ago. Lynn is very popular with TNA fans, known as "The Pioneer Of The X Division." This is his return match after a year's absence due to a shoulder injury. I went into this match expecting to hate it. I can't stand Waltman, and Lynn is hit and miss for me. I have to say, this match won me over big time. This was a very, very good match and considering it had Sean Freaking Waltman involved...man that's saying something. Lynn wins, and Waltman attacks him after the match, inspiring Mike Tenay to do his best Jim Ross imitation as he freaks out. I can't believe I'm saying this...but Waltman looked good. I'd like to see these guys fight again. Now I understand why their feud is talked about...they have chemistry believe it or not. This match had a couple of HOLY SHIT moments, the best being a spot when Jerry Lynn suplexed Waltman to the outside! Team Canada vs. The Naturals and AMW This match was okay...and had a couple of serious spots in it, including one where Eric Young did a face plant to the outside, from the top rope. Serious HOLY SHIT territory. I find eight man tags are usually pretty cluttered, and this was no exception...but it wasn't bad or anything. Just too much going on and no real chance to tell a story. Team Canada wins which leads to arguments between AMW and The Naturals. Okay...these guys were feuding months ago when I stopped watching TNA...seriously. And I still don't like AMW. They play very whiny faces, and they're pretty boys which doesn't endear them to the male fans. AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe Not to sound like a broken record...but TNA did a great job updating us on both the entire Super X Cup Tournament, but also the momentum of Samoa Joe since his arrival in TNA. I'm big fans of both guys, so I was looking forward to this. Christopher Daniels was on commentary, and he was GOLD. Man, this guy is awesome, and I'm glad he's finally getting the chance to shine as the X Division Champion. When I was watching before, he wasn't getting any microphone time. He is now, and it's paying off huge. I think TNA might finally be the place for his talents to shine. This was the match of the night, hands down. The crowd was actually chanting "This Is Awesome" during this match. Styles brought his "A Game" which for him is really saying something, and Joe looked motivated and hit all his moves perfectly. They are really using Joe to his best potential in my opinion. This was going very well, until it was marred by a run in from Daniels, as he attempted to lay out both guys, and it backfired. I agree that the run in ruined the flow of the match, but from a booking standpoint, it made sense. Styles is pretty much the franchise in TNA (sorry Jarrett) and they didn't want him to lose without some wonkiness. Joe was pushed to his limits, and came out on top. Man, this was a helluva match. Raven & Sabu vs. Jeff Jarrett & Rhino This match had the added drama of the stipulation that if Jarrett pinned Raven, he got the World Title Match at the next PPV, but if Raven pinned Jarrett, Double J wouldn't get any title shots for a YEAR. Obviously, this increased the tension nicely, since there were a lot of people who would love to see that. Just like in the X Division Matches and Abyss vs. Hoyt, the smaller ring was made for Sabu. He got in all of his trademark spots, and didn't botch any that I recall. Raven looks good. He's dropped some weight and make a great champion...and HOLY CRAP is Rhino ever BUFFED UP. Nice spot where Raven slices Jarrett open with a pizza cutter. This was a clusterfuck but in a good way, where it was a sloppy old school brawl all over the place. It reminded me of The Funks vs. The Sheik and Abdullah back in the day...no strategy, no wrestling but it sure kept your interest. Oh yeah, Jeff Hardy is back. He did a run in and hit his Swanton on Abyss who ran in to attack Raven. I guess the Hardy/Raven feud is still on. Rhino gores Raven through a table, and gets the pin...so HE gets the shot at the next PPV! Double J is NOT happy! Closing Thoughts This was an excellent show. The Waltman/Lynn and Styles/Joe matches were both very good matches, and aside from the 3LK stuff, there wasn't a really bad match on the card. Hoyt/Abyss was way better than it had any right to be, and Shocker/Shelley and Daniels/Aries were both solid matches. You know what I liked about this show? It was a clear alternative to the WWE. It didn't look like a WWE show. Universal Studios is an interesting looking venue, unlike a generic arena, and I don't care what people say about the 6 sided ring...that and the X Division where guys are actually allowed to use their signature spots makes it DIFFERENT. The Spike Deal was announced, and all night Jarrett was going around backstage claiming that the released WWE guys were going to be coming in and stealing all the jobs from the TNA guys now that TNA has TV deal. He made a not so veiled reference to the Dudleys coming in as well, when he told AMW that some new tag teams would be coming in...some good, some not so good...and some DUDS. I can't help but wonder if they're planning some sort of stable of the former WWE guys vs. the TNA guys or something? Man, Tenay is so much better than JR now it's not even funny. It's not even that Tenay has gotten better...it's that JR has got worse. Don West still needs to take a chill pill, but I have to admit I enjoy his enthusiasm for the product, because it comes across as REAL and sincere. You can tell that this guy really loves TNA, he's not just a shill like Schiavone back in the day. It cracks me up to see him jumping up in excitement during matches, it really does. This was not the best PPV I've ever seen or anything, but I've seen every WWE Pay Per View since WM21, and in my opinion, this was better than any of them. These guys looked very motivated, and there seemed to be a real air of excitement about the October 1st Spike TV debut. Maybe it was because I got to see Cruiserweight Style wrestling without any restrictions placed on the workers (there was a serious amount of HOLY SHIT spots on this show) or maybe it was because there was a lot of wrestling and no retarded angles about child custody, or diva searches...but I really liked this show.

I saw the show, and it was damn good, way better than any WWE PPV I've seen lately. I might do a brief review later if I have time.

I meant to mention, that is an excellent point, Charles. I honestly think that in terms of Bret's regaining his popularity with American fans, and even with Canadian fans, Vince did Bret a HUGE favor. Make no mistake about it...WCW was NOT popular up here...not even close...ever. When both were running on TSN, even when RAW was getting killed in the ratings down there, it was beating Nitro in Canada. (Granted...Nitro had a shit time slot...but still.) If Bret had simply jobbed, or handed over the title to whoever, and then gone to WCW, he would have had to deal with a huge backlash from many die hard WWF fans who hated WCW. Keep in mind, many of the fans who filled the Silverdome for WMIII were from the province of Ontario. We're very close to Detroit, when you look at it. Also, don't forget the previous record holder, "The Big Event" in 1986, where Hogan fought Orndorff for the first time after the heel turn. That was in Toronto, and it drew like 62,000 fans. Canadians love them their WWF/E.

The whole difference between a Celebrity and Hero point is interesting. I agree that there is, and should be a huge difference. That would be an good topic for discussion elsewhere. I don't mean to speak ill of Bret Hart, either. He seemed to be a very kind and patient man at the Wrestling With Shadows premeire. He has also done an almost incalcuable amount of charity work in Canada. The entire Hart family are indeed legends in the town of Calgary. I don't want to take away from that. I know why Bret was so popular. The thing is with Bret, is that he was never really playing a character. He yelled in his promos, but other than that, what you saw was what you got with him, in or out of character. He was pretty much a straight up wrestler...that's his real name and everything. So, people tended to take him more seriously than somebody could take The Rock, The Undertaker, or Hulk Hogan, because Hart seemed to have an everyman type of personality, whereas those other names come across as larger than life. I am willing to bet that if Bret had jobbed clean to Michaels that night, the fans would have freaked. Canadian fans hate Shawn Michaels, and they hate Earl Hebner. (Amusingly enough...they seem to have forgiven Vince for the most part.) Shawn stuck the Canadian flag up his nose, and humped it on television. He's also said some very unflattering things about the Hart family, (especially Stu) and Canada in general. So if Bret had dropped that strap in Montreal that night...there would have been some serious anger. However...I honestly don't think there would have been a fuss if he had dropped it the following night in Ottawa to somebody else, say The Undertaker or whoever. I know for a fact...because he said it right in front of me...Bret's first choice was to walk down to the ring, and hand the belt over. I honestly think if he had done that, he would have got a ton of "you sold out" heat...Canada or no Canada. The bottom line is this...Bret Hart is probably the most popular Canadian Wrestler in history (I suppose some argument could be made about Whipper Billy Watson back in his day) but at the end of the day, while most Canadian Wrestling fans I know admire him...they don't consider him a "hero." They're proud that he represented Canada with class, and dignity, which is next to impossible to have in the world of Pro Wrestling. When I think of Canadian Heroes, I think of Dr. Frederick Banting who discovered insulin and it's effect on diabetics. I think of Dr. Roberta Bondar. I know that many Canadians admire and respect our veterans from World War II. I don't think it's any big secret that many Canadians have resented the U.S.A. for waiting so long to get involved in WWII, and the fact that it looked like the only reason they did was due to Pearl Harbor. I know it is a point of pride for many Canadians that our country went to fight the Nazi menace much earlier than our friends to the South. If you asked most Canadians who they thought our greatest hero was, I'm betting they would say Terry Fox. Terry Fox is a household name in Canada, and is considered a National Hero for good reason. As I said...and I wasn't kidding...many Canadians feel that Paul Henderson is one of our greatest heroes due to his immortal performance in the 1972 Summit Series. Most Canadians live, breathe, eat, and sleep hockey...and that series and that goal were pretty much the apex of National Pride in Canada. For more info about this, and a summary of what it meant to Canada, CLICK HERE. That should explain how important that moment was to Canada, and why today it is still felt to be one of the defining moments in Canadian History, 33 years later. So a Pro Wrestler who refused to job to Shawn Michaels, while a popular and sympathetic figure is hardly considered a hero. Anybody who says that really doesn't understand the way Bret Hart is viewed by Canadians. He's loved, but in the end, he's just a guy in spandex pretending to beat people up, and even the biggest marks realize that deep down.

Uhhh...maybe Marty and any other Canadians who might post here can back me up...but Bret Hart is HARDLY considered a National Hero. He's probably the most popular Canadian Wrestler in history, and out west he's very famous. I'd say in Calgary, or even in Alberta he might be a household name...but he's not a national hero. You guys need to understand that Canada and the U.S.A. are totally different in terms of national identity. Canada is very regional. This explains our electoral results. Different regions elect different parties. So somebody who is popular or known in Western Canada might get a "who?" from somebody out on the East Coast. If you walked up to somebody in Toronto and said who is Bret Hart, they'd probably think you said "Brett Hull" wrong. If you said "Paul Henderson" practically everybody would know who he was. Being popular with wrestling fans, and being a National Hero are two totally different things. If Canada has any national heroes, they're probably hockey players. Interesting thread/discussion by the way.

I attended the World Premiere of Wrestling with Shadows in Toronto. Bret was there, for a QnA. He stated that he was not willing to drop the title in Canada, and that he wanted to wait until the next week. He also said he would not have dropped the title to Michaels at all. He would have been willing to drop the belt to the Undertaker or pretty much "anybody else" but what he said he really wanted to do was just hand the title over. Also, trust me on this one...Bret is as popular as ever in Canada...maybe even MORE than he was before due to Montreal.

With the "creative" process the way it is right now in the WWE...how could anybody be OVERLY critical?

The plane that crashed was coming in from France, so I doubt he was on that one...but who knows. Maybe he came from France, to Toronto and then went to WWE headquarters.

Take comfort in the fact that while Dusty's booking is wonky...it usually involves wrestling. Anything he books couldn't be much worse than the shit they're cranking out right now.

Ted Dibiase is still an evangelist, and still promots Christian shows in his spare time. He only works for the WWE as an agent, helping the younger wrestlers learn how to be an old school style heel and cut promos. I was at the last show where The Road Warriors ever appeared, only 2 weeks before Hawk's death. It was a Ted Dibiase promoted show, and in the Main Event, the LOD fought Greg Valentine and Buff Bagwell. There were 5000 fans at this show, and it was "old school" wrestling, with good guys and bad guys, heels cheating, faces acting noble, and there were kids in the audience who weren't subjected to Diva bikini contests, stories of illigitimate children, or foul language. The list of wrestlers who have professed Christianity over the past few years is incredible. Nikita Koloff, Sting, Shawn Michaels, Ted Dibiase, Greg Valentine, Animal, Hawk, Bill Watts, Steve Williams, Stan Hansen, Chris Sabin, Eric Young, the list goes on and on. Are there some men who claim to be Christians who really aren't? No doubt. Having said that, I still respect what those guys are trying to do...present a family friendly product with a positive message.

Hey Loss did you see Foley's match with Jumbo from AJPW in 1991? He got to take all of his "patented" bumps in that one, and even though the match is pretty much a glorified squash, I still love it because it's fun and has two of my favorites in the ring together.

Wasn't Bret Hart a pretty damn good bumper too? I remember every time people whipped him into the corner, he always bounced back and sold it like death. I thought Rikishi always did a neat job of selling lariats too, with that spin in the air. Although I love his work, Terry Funk's over selling during bumps can be downright goofy at times. I recently heard Raven brag during some shoot interview about what a great bumper and seller he is...but it's been so long since I saw a Raven match...and an even longer time since I saw a GOOD Raven match...that I couldn't say.

You guys need to have more faith in the WWE's ability to fuck this up. They will. This is the same company that thinks the Hassan/Taker thing was a good idea, and that parents should watch it with their children. Do not be fooled...they're idiots. They're luring us all in so that they can ALMOST do something right...and then fuck it up. Think Triple H/Stephanie/Angle here.

Hashimoto was awesome. I have a Lynch Comp of his matches and many of them are just off the charts. 1) 01/15/94: Hashimoto vs. Chono 2) 03/05/94: Hashimoto vs. Liger 3) 04/16/94: Fujinami vs. Hashimoto 4) 08/27/94: Hashimoto vs. Power Warrior 5) 09/03/94: Hashimoto vs. Koshinaka 6) 12/24/94: Hashimoto vs. Hase 7) 01/14/95: Hashimoto vs. Sasaki 8) 02/25/95: Hashimoto vs. Tenzan 9) 04/29/95: Hashimoto vs. Regal 10) 05/20/95: Muto vs. Hashimoto 11) 07/08/95: Hashimoto vs. Nakanishi 12) 07/08/95: Chono & Tenzan vs. Hashimoto & Hirata 13) 08/19/95: Hashimoto vs. Norton 14) 08/26/95: Sasaki vs. Hashimoto 15) 09/02/95: Hashimoto vs. Tenzan 16) 09/09/95: Hashimoto vs. Chono 17) 09/16/95: Muto vs. Hashimoto 18) 05/06/96: Hashimoto vs. Takada 19) 05/25/96: Hashimoto vs. Nagata 20) 06/22/96: Hashimoto vs. Kojima 21) 07/01/96: Yamazaki & Iizuka vs. Hirata & Hashimoto 22) 08/10/96: Choshu vs. Hashimoto 23) 08/17/96: Tenzan vs. Hashimoto 24) 09/21/96: Hashimoto vs. Chono 25) 10/12/96: Koshinaka vs. Hashimoto 26) 12/28/96: Hashimoto vs. Nakanishi 27) 01/05/97: Hashimoto vs. Choshu 28) 03/08/97: Hashimoto vs. Yamazaki 29) 05/10/97: Hashimoto vs. Ogawa 30) 06/21/97: Hashimoto vs. Muto 31) 08/17/97: Hashimoto vs. Tenzan 32) 08/30/97: Hashimoto vs. Chono 33) 09/06/97: Tenzan vs. Hashimoto 34) 12/20/97: Muto & Chono vs. Hashimoto & Nakanishi 35) 06/05/98: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Tatsumi Fujinami 36) 08/02/98: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Satoshi Kojima 37) 08/02/98: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Kazuo Yamazaki 38) 01/04/99: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Naoya Ogawa 39) 09/13/99: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Kazuo Yamazaki 40) 09/14/99: Shiro Koshinaka vs. Shinya Hashimoto 41) 10/11/99: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Naoya Ogawa 42) 02/20/00: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Scott Norton 43) 04/07/00: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Naoya Ogawa 44) 10/09/00: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Tatsumi Fujinami 45) 01/04/01: Riki Choshu vs.Shinya Hashimoto 46) 1/13/01: Misawa & Ogawa vs.Shinya Hashimoto & Otsuka 47) 03/02/01: Misawa & Akiyama vs. Shinya Hashimoto & Yuji Nagata 48) 08/30/01: Shinya Hashimoto & Fujiwara vs. Mark Kerr & The Predator 49) 10/25/01: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Gerard Gordeau 50) 12/09/01: Hashimoto & Naoya Ogawa vs. Tom Howard & Mark Kerr 51) 03/02/02: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Masato Tanaka 52) 1/19/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Joe Son 53) 2/23/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Great Muta 54) 03/02/03: Shinya Hashimoto & Shinjiro Ohtani vs. Keiji Muto & Arashi 55) 4/12/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Arashi 56) 05/02/03: Shinya Hashimoto & Naoya Ogawa vs. Muto & Satoshi Kojima 57) 6/13/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Satoshi Kojima 58) 07/06/03: Shinya Hashimoto & Naoya Ogawa vs. Keiji Mutoh & Kawada 59) 11/07/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Masato Tanaka 60) 12/24/03: Shinya Hashimoto vs. Ohtani Check them out, you won't be sorry. Wrestling lost an all time great, I'm just in shock. (By the way...the Joe Son match is not a great one...but it is funny as hell.)

I saw the show last night. Go watch Dude Love vs. Steve Austin at Over The Edge 98. If you saw that match, then you've seen JBL vs. Cena, except this one had more blood, and more gimmick spots.

1) Mitsiharu Misawa Bottom line is, I've seen Misawa in more so-called "5 Star" matches than any other wrestler ever could, I think. He's in my two all time favorite singles matches, (vs. Kenta Kobashi, AJPW 26th Anniversary Show for the Triple Crown on 10/31/98 and vs. Toshiaki Kawada for the Triple Crown on? 6/6/97) and he's also in my favorite Tag Team Match of all time (with Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue on 5/21/94 for the World Tag Titles.) Hell, he's even in my favorite Six Man Tag of all time! (Jumbo Tsuruta & Akira Taue & Masa Fuchi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada & Kenta Kobashi on 4/20/91) He's part of my two favorite feuds of all time (The Super Generation Army vs. Jumbo & Co. and Misawa vs. Kawada.) You could write a book on all the great matches he's been involved in, and on that basis alone, he's my favorite. I've seen more of his stuff than I have of any other wrestler ever. When he was "on" he was incredible, and even now, he's capable of pulling the odd classic out, such as his GHC Tag Title Match last year with Ogawa vs. Kenta & Marifuji. Misawa is the man, period. 2) Toshiaki Kawada See above, I actually fluctuate between he and Misawa as my all time favorites, I think Misawa wins out simply because of his role in the SGA vs. Jumbo & Company feud, and his TC matches with Kobashi...but still, I just flat out LOVE to watch "Dangerous K" work, and he (for me) brings the element of excitement and emotion to his matches that Misawa doesn't sometimes. 3) Jumbo Tsuruta I'd probably rate Jumbo higher if I'd seen as much of his older stuff as I have of Misawa and Kawada. I have seen pretty much all of his matches against Misawa and Company, but my 70's and 80's Jumbo collection is weak. I have his classic 1976 match against Terry Funk, and I have his matches against Tenryu and Flair from the 80's, but that's it. From what I hear, if I had seen more of his 70's stuff he might be at the top of my list and as it stands right now, the stuff I have seen was awesome...even if he was "lazy." 4) Terry Funk My Funker fanboyism is well documented. It's faded considerably since my introduction to the "King's Road" style a few years back, but I still love me The Funker. Whether it's his aforementioned 1976 classic against Jumbo for the NWA Title, his matches with Dory vs. Abduallah & The Sheik, his goofy 80's feud with JYD in the WWF, his feud with Flair in WCW in 1989, his 90's Garbage Matches in FMW, his ECW run, or his feud with Foley...for me, there are so many different sides to him to enjoy and like, I have to include him. It helps that I had the chance to meet him live, and what I have heard of him outside the ring makes him a good guy to idolize as a fan. His 674 retirements aside. 5) Atushi Onita Onita is my "guilty pleasure." Somebody who I shouldn't like, but for some reason I still do. His over the top theatrics and insane death matches, his shouting, screaming and bloodletting in FMW just appealed to me for some reason (in limited doeses of course.) Every few months I can throw my four volume "Best Of Onita" set in the VCR and sit back and enjoy some insane Garbage Wrestling, and if you like that kinda stuff, he's pretty much the master.

Excellent, that actually made me laugh out loud. I saw Juvi in the Super X Cup tournament in TNA last year, and some of his work in NOAH. He looked okay, but not as good as he was in WCW. I think he has tried to "bulk up" as well and that has reduced his speed and mobility in my opinion.

So not a big fan of his series of matches with RVD, huh?

Last time I saw Shane Douglas try and go more than 15 minutes, he got so blown up that he puked in the ring...seriously.